QB Brock Purdy Thread

so you think that these two sentences mean the exact same thing?

1. "Brock Purdy deserves the MVP"
2. "Brock Purdy is deserving of the MVP"

to me, saying someone deserves the MVP is saying they should win it. saying someone is deserving, is saying that they are worthy of it. I just view saying someone "deserved" something is saying they SHOULD of got it - they were essentially robbed. where as i view saying someone is "deserving" means they're worthy of consideration.

you can't say Lamar, Dak, and Brock deserve the MVP. where as you can say Lamar, Dak, and Brock are deserving of the MVP.

I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

You have to look at ALL these offensive weapons that are having a great year for the 49ers, and then you realize that the true MVP is the one distributing the ball to all of them and making them succeed.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

You have to look at ALL these offensive weapons that are having a great year for the 49ers, and then you realize that the true MVP is the one distributing the ball to all of them and making them succeed.

Agreed. Should Marshall Faulk have won the MVP over Kurt Warner? My argument is that no matter how good a running back is, the offense cannot be this successful without the right QB running the show.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

There is already OPOY.

CMC and Tyreek Are seriously competing for OPOY. Why isn't that good enough?

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

You have to look at ALL these offensive weapons that are having a great year for the 49ers, and then you realize that the true MVP is the one distributing the ball to all of them and making them succeed.

I agree. The problem is people will always go back to, 'he's doing it with all these weapons' argument. That's why I want Brock to have gaudy numbers and some good highlights to quiet the crowd. Like it or not that's what it takes. I remember when Young was MVP, there were some argument against him with the same take. As a qb on a top tier team, they have to blow the doors off with qb numbers with highlight clips to get that clear cut MVP

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

There is already OPOY.

CMC and Tyreek Are seriously competing for OPOY. Why isn't that good enough?

If you're really talking about which one is more important to an offense and performs the best, I don't think it would be close.

CMC: Amazing at rushing, receiving, blocking, scoring touchdowns in various ways.

Tyreke hill: amazing at receiving and receiving touchdowns.

i think comparing players at different positions and trying to say which one is better, is dumb. It's like saying who is better, Michael Jordan or lebron James? Well they don't even play the same position and/or have the same responsibilities.

why not compare them to their positional peers?

Does it make more sense to say Who's better, Fred Warner or tj watt? They do two completely different things and have two completely different responsibilities. Warner should be compared to other linebackers and watt should be compared to other defensive lineman.

All is true:

Brock Purdy is deserving of the MVP
CMC is deserving of the MVP
Tyreek Hill is deserving of the MVP (could very will break the receiving yards record)
Dak is deserving of the MVP (his #'s are similar to Purdy but we all know on this forum Purdy is far superior )

I think some of the voters are going to look at the 49ers and find it hard to give the MVP to either Purdy or CMC because they play on the same team. In there minds how can 2 players be MVP worthy on the same team (embarrassment of riches) Some voters will always vote for a QB so that will take away from T Hill and that leaves Dak as the frontrunner as long as he finishes strong. He'll get the MVP and then will proceed to get smoked in the playoffs as usual. I think Tyreek Hill made a good case last night even though he went down due to injury. When he went down the Miami offense was different and that's the definition of MVP in my opinion.
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Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

There is already OPOY.

CMC and Tyreek Are seriously competing for OPOY. Why isn't that good enough?

If you're really talking about which one is more important to an offense and performs the best, I don't think it would be close.

CMC: Amazing at rushing, receiving, blocking, scoring touchdowns in various ways.

Tyreke hill: amazing at receiving and receiving touchdowns.

i think comparing players at different positions and trying to say which one is better, is dumb. It's like saying who is better, Michael Jordan or lebron James? Well they don't even play the same position and/or have the same responsibilities.

why not compare them to their positional peers?

Does it make more sense to say Who's better, Fred Warner or tj watt? They do two completely different things and have two completely different responsibilities. Warner should be compared to other linebackers and watt should be compared to other defensive lineman.

CMC also sells playfakes like a champ.

It's pretty wild that we are nearly projected to have 3 1K receiving yard guys. Deebo is projected slightly below but I think him and kittle will both make it.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

There is already OPOY.

CMC and Tyreek Are seriously competing for OPOY. Why isn't that good enough?

If you're really talking about which one is more important to an offense and performs the best, I don't think it would be close.

CMC: Amazing at rushing, receiving, blocking, scoring touchdowns in various ways.

Tyreke hill: amazing at receiving and receiving touchdowns.

i think comparing players at different positions and trying to say which one is better, is dumb. It's like saying who is better, Michael Jordan or lebron James? Well they don't even play the same position and/or have the same responsibilities.

why not compare them to their positional peers?

Does it make more sense to say Who's better, Fred Warner or tj watt? They do two completely different things and have two completely different responsibilities. Warner should be compared to other linebackers and watt should be compared to other defensive lineman.

We already have the first team all pro. Yes it wasn't one player in each position, but that is a good enough recognition to me.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think CMC is a clear-cut MVP over all the QB this year. I haven't watched T.Hill enough to have an opinion on him, although I've heard people include him in the conversation. If Brock continues to put up numbers and playing out of his mind like he is so far, would be tough to not have him as MVP even over CMC.

I'm honestly surprised that CMC isn't getting more national attention for the award. I'm not saying he should be leading it but he's an all around elite player performing at a super high level, he's what enables this offense to be so explosive - in my opinion.

i kinda wish they would break out the position group awards.
"Most Valuable QB of the year"
"Most Valuable RB/WR/TE of the year". Etc etc

instead of essentially the NFL MVP being a qb award and DPOY being a pass rusher award

i guess that's kinda what the ESPYs are but I'm surprised the nfl doesn't have its own annual award show. Everytbing purely voted on by players and coaches - get great insight into what the folks within the NFL world think is great. It would be cool insight into that fraternity.

There is already OPOY.

CMC and Tyreek Are seriously competing for OPOY. Why isn't that good enough?

If you're really talking about which one is more important to an offense and performs the best, I don't think it would be close.

CMC: Amazing at rushing, receiving, blocking, scoring touchdowns in various ways.

Tyreke hill: amazing at receiving and receiving touchdowns.

i think comparing players at different positions and trying to say which one is better, is dumb. It's like saying who is better, Michael Jordan or lebron James? Well they don't even play the same position and/or have the same responsibilities.

why not compare them to their positional peers?

Does it make more sense to say Who's better, Fred Warner or tj watt? They do two completely different things and have two completely different responsibilities. Warner should be compared to other linebackers and watt should be compared to other defensive lineman.

We already have the first team all pro. Yes it wasn't one player in each position, but that is a good enough recognition to me.

I'm not throwing a tantrum and I don't lose any sleep over this. Lol I'm just saying that the current recognition system doesn't make sense to me - it's piss poor and that's why the same awards typically go to the same position over and over again. Players get snubbed on the all pro team/pro bowl team every year - like when CMC didn't make either last year or when bosa didn't even make second team all pro 2 years ago.

eff it, only award I really want this year is the super bowl. Anything less will just be depressing.

Brock is going to be on KNBR at 9:00 this morning for anyone interested.

Mvp is a race between dak and brock (brock to me has the tie breaker because he dominated in the head to head). You would have to be like AP when he won to win it as a non qb, he willed the Vikings to the playoffs with little to no qb help. Tyreek benefits from tua being solid, without that he turns into garret wilson (stretch but not far off what can happen).