QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I can't believe that several posters here, including some highly respected ones, spent years here trying to gaslight us into believing that Jimmy was good. Crazy. This video comparing their highlight reels couldn't make it more clear how stark the difference is between Purdy and Jimmy.

Wait, aren't you the guy who was trying to convince everyone that Trey was the best qb on the roster?

No.

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
The bald pats fan on rich eisens show said this exact thing, so annoying

Dude's a complete bonehead.

Jimmy "took us to a Superbowl" so it's gotta be Kyle's system.

I think it really guts a TON of football fans that we finally have a FQB.

All this Brock derision is just cope.

Ya jimmy was never considered as a pro bowl qb let alone mvp of the league, equating the two as equals is such a horrible take

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I can't believe that several posters here, including some highly respected ones, spent years here trying to gaslight us into believing that Jimmy was good. Crazy. This video comparing their highlight reels couldn't make it more clear how stark the difference is between Purdy and Jimmy.

Wait, aren't you the guy who was trying to convince everyone that Trey was the best qb on the roster?

No.

Idk why some posters act like a qb being "good" means they're one of the best qbs in the league. Lol there aren't that many QBs in the league who start that do a "good job". The drop offs are huge for the qb position after like the 15th best qb in the league.

elite QBs: there are usually only about 3-5 of these a year. This year is a super down year for QBs, so maybe only like 1-2 QBs playing elite l.

Really good but not elite: usually ranked 4-8 best QBs of these a year.

good (essentially consistent game managers): usually ranked as about 8-15th best QBs a year

unreliable/low end game managers/crap: usually the 15-32 ranked QBs in a year.

jimmy typically fell in the "good" ranking on most weeks. Whatever you Label these groups is subjective but most of us think jimmy fell/falls under the "good" ranking and on his best weeks, really good. That's where Jimmy stood as a qb when he was here. Saying he was "awful" or one of the worst QBs in the league is dishonest. That's what most people were arguing with, not that jimmy was the best qb in the league.

no one in their right mind thinks jimmy is anywhere as good As Brock.

Most of us didn't care if Jimmy was replaced, we just didn't believe Lance that answer. Lance was legitimately bad when he played (which was seldom) and we didn't want to spend a year or two trying to figure out if he would become as good as jimmy or better - that would of been a waste of time with this roster, In our opinion.

now Brock is ranked amongst the best QBs in the league where he belongs. Lance is third string and inactive on game day and can't beat out darnold/cooper rush, where he currently belongs. Jimmy played like crap and isn't the answer as a long time starting qb for a team, and is a backup, which is where he belongs. Jimmy was bad at being mobile and throwing the deep/sideline passes, the rest of his game is pretty reliable - that isn't a "bad qb" in this system and with this talent, in most of our opinions.

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Sherm consistently puts fools to shame and calls out their ignorance and/or bias against the Niners…

I'm sorry....I just won't watch these type of pieces anymore, because of the over-the-top agendas these guys have either for or against a player/team/etc. etc. Nothing against Richard Sherman, but I just generally don't want to listen to him. I've heard him make several arguments on other topics and I just didn't agree with his takes on a lot of them.

Everybody has a certain angle....even the slightest bit, but if it's about straight up analysis of QB play, I'd take a listen to someone like Greg Cosell first. He obviously knows his stuff - to a point where he goes into the minute details of the position. He doesn't seem to be carrying any water for any one specific player or team. I can respect his opinion.

The 2 biggest differences between JG & BP from what I see is : #1 JG is not as accurate as BP. #2 Where JG would take the check down most of the time, BP will go for the kill shot further down the field. Also Brock hits the receivers in stride more than JG did. I'm glad we have him

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk why some posters act like a qb being "good" means they're one of the best qbs in the league. Lol there aren't that many QBs in the league who start that do a "good job". The drop offs are huge for the qb position after like the 15th best qb in the league.

elite QBs: there are usually only about 3-5 of these a year. This year is a super down year for QBs, so maybe only like 1-2 QBs playing elite l.

Really good but not elite: usually ranked 4-8 best QBs of these a year.

good (essentially consistent game managers): usually ranked as about 8-15th best QBs a year

unreliable/low end game managers/crap: usually the 15-32 ranked QBs in a year.

jimmy typically fell in the "good" ranking on most weeks. Whatever you Label these groups is subjective but most of us think jimmy fell/falls under the "good" ranking and on his best weeks, really good. That's where Jimmy stood as a qb when he was here. Saying he was "awful" or one of the worst QBs in the league is dishonest. That's what most people were arguing with, not that jimmy was the best qb in the league.

no one in their right mind thinks jimmy is anywhere as good As Brock.

Most of us didn't care if Jimmy was replaced, we just didn't believe Lance that answer. Lance was legitimately bad when he played (which was seldom) and we didn't want to spend a year or two trying to figure out if he would become as good as jimmy or better - that would of been a waste of time with this roster, In our opinion.

now Brock is ranked amongst the best QBs in the league where he belongs. Lance is third string and inactive on game day and can't beat out darnold/cooper rush, where he currently belongs. Jimmy played like crap and isn't the answer as a long time starting qb for a team, and is a backup, which is where he belongs. Jimmy was bad at being mobile and throwing the deep/sideline passes, the rest of his game is pretty reliable - that isn't a "bad qb" in this system and with this talent, in most of our opinions.

I don't fully agree on Lance (would give him a slight uptick based on injuries / limited exposure) but basically this sums up the situation perfectly.

The idea that Cam can't comment on this is hilarious. Dude was elite before injuries ruined his career and won the league MVP. So, he certainly can have his opinion. We don't have to agree with his opinion. And, I personally don't take the title of "Game Manager" as a negative - as long as the "Game Manager" is elite - and Brock is playing at that elite level - so how does it matter? It doesn't really matter that he is doing it on the team with elite talent at WR, RB, TE and LT position.

How is Mahomes looking without elite talent around him? You can do this with most great QBs in the league.

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
The 2 biggest differences between JG & BP from what I see is : #1 JG is not as accurate as BP. #2 Where JG would take the check down most of the time, BP will go for the kill shot further down the field. Also Brock hits the receivers in stride more than JG did. I'm glad we have him

Brock "kill shot" Purdy

I like it

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk why some posters act like a qb being "good" means they're one of the best qbs in the league. Lol there aren't that many QBs in the league who start that do a "good job". The drop offs are huge for the qb position after like the 15th best qb in the league.

elite QBs: there are usually only about 3-5 of these a year. This year is a super down year for QBs, so maybe only like 1-2 QBs playing elite l.

Really good but not elite: usually ranked 4-8 best QBs of these a year.

good (essentially consistent game managers): usually ranked as about 8-15th best QBs a year

unreliable/low end game managers/crap: usually the 15-32 ranked QBs in a year.

jimmy typically fell in the "good" ranking on most weeks. Whatever you Label these groups is subjective but most of us think jimmy fell/falls under the "good" ranking and on his best weeks, really good. That's where Jimmy stood as a qb when he was here. Saying he was "awful" or one of the worst QBs in the league is dishonest. That's what most people were arguing with, not that jimmy was the best qb in the league.

no one in their right mind thinks jimmy is anywhere as good As Brock.

Most of us didn't care if Jimmy was replaced, we just didn't believe Lance that answer. Lance was legitimately bad when he played (which was seldom) and we didn't want to spend a year or two trying to figure out if he would become as good as jimmy or better - that would of been a waste of time with this roster, In our opinion.

now Brock is ranked amongst the best QBs in the league where he belongs. Lance is third string and inactive on game day and can't beat out darnold/cooper rush, where he currently belongs. Jimmy played like crap and isn't the answer as a long time starting qb for a team, and is a backup, which is where he belongs. Jimmy was bad at being mobile and throwing the deep/sideline passes, the rest of his game is pretty reliable - that isn't a "bad qb" in this system and with this talent, in most of our opinions.

I don't fully agree on Lance (would give him a slight uptick based on injuries / limited exposure) but basically this sums up the situation perfectly.

Lance caught an unfortunate situation of bad luck - specifically the injuries, as well - no doubt. I don't view the Lance debacle as solely his fault because he "sucked". He never really got the chance to focus and try to get better because of injuries, but I also don't think he was anywhere near ready to play in the league. If he could stay healthy and string together a year or two of starts, I think he could get a lot better, but I also don't think he would turn into some star.

He's just so far behind in regards to experience - he had 99 pass attempts against tiny public schools in high school and like 300 more attempts in a year in college - there really isn't any film on him that says he can play in the nfl. It was really just based on the fact he has physical tools (size and strong arm), high character, and works hard.

His only college tape was at a power house that played way lesser completion, on a huge win streak, and doesn't ask much of their qb.

i have no issue with Kyle/John taking a big swing to try and secure the most important position on the team - it just was one of the most reckless and insane gambles I've ever seen.

it's all good - you win some and you lose some. Finding a good qb is hard, finding an elite qb is like trying to win the lottery. Which goes back to the beginning of all this - if we didn't luck into Brock, we would be in qb hell right now. Either we would be sitting here hoping Lance stays healthy/gets better, have darnold etc. but the odds of being as good as we are now and set up for the future - would be slim to none. Thank god for Brock

Originally posted by 4ML:
The idea that Cam can't comment on this is hilarious. Dude was elite before injuries ruined his career and won the league MVP. So, he certainly can have his opinion. We don't have to agree with his opinion. And, I personally don't take the title of "Game Manager" as a negative - as long as the "Game Manager" is elite - and Brock is playing at that elite level - so how does it matter? It doesn't really matter that he is doing it on the team with elite talent at WR, RB, TE and LT position.

How is Mahomes looking without elite talent around him? You can do this with most great QBs in the league.

Anyone and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I don't agree with the idea that he was elite. He was an elite athlete, special in that regard, but he was a very average qb 90% of his career.

his MVP year - he somehow got all the credit for the success even though it was really the defense.

- 75% of all cams passing touchdowns came in 4 games (25% of the season). Which means he was 1-1 TD/INT ration for 75% of the season.

- Between 2005-2015, that panthers defense in 2015 was statistically the 6th best defense in the entire NFL in the last decade (2005-2015).

- that defense led the league in interceptions at 25 and tied for first in forced fumbles at 15 forced fumbles.

- their schedule was a joke and played like 3 teams with a winning record. Lol

cam had a good year but anyone who thinks that cam was the main reason that team won so many games, Is full of it. That defense was awesome.

what happened when cam ran into a good defense? He looked like a fool and scored 10 points in a super bowl with multiple turnovers. Cam always sucked against good defenses in his career, especially when he couldn't run around.

cam is one of the most overrated QBs I've ever heard of. If he didn't get that bunk MVP - he wouldn't even be remembered as much. Dude didn't even complete 60% of his passes.

cam was a good football player but very average qb. There is a reason his game aged so poorly. He had like 2 good seasons in 10 years.

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
The 2 biggest differences between JG & BP from what I see is : #1 JG is not as accurate as BP. #2 Where JG would take the check down most of the time, BP will go for the kill shot further down the field. Also Brock hits the receivers in stride more than JG did. I'm glad we have him

When JG threw the balll to a target off screen you had no idea if it was a good ball or his once per game stupid INT

We all puckered up as fans and our first reaction was uh oh

When Purdy throws the ball off screen there is 100% trust in his decision and I am excited for the outcome of the play

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk why some posters act like a qb being "good" means they're one of the best qbs in the league. Lol there aren't that many QBs in the league who start that do a "good job". The drop offs are huge for the qb position after like the 15th best qb in the league.

it is crazy how good the league has become in the last 10 years or so.

Tom Brady finished second in MVP votes in 2013 with an 87 QB rating....

John Elway finished second in MVP votes in 1997 with an 89 QB rating...

in 2023 we got 21 QB's sporting a QB rating better then MVP vote getting 2013 Tom Brady...

86ish-87ish rating today gets you Sam Howell... not terrible ...all the time....but you ain't getting any MVP votes...

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
When JG threw the balll to a target off screen you had no idea if it was a good ball or his once per game stupid INT

We all puckered up as fans and our first reaction was uh oh

When Purdy throws the ball off screen there is 100% trust in his decision and I am excited for the outcome of the play

where jimmy was elite at is pre-snap reads. He was a very below-average post snap which is why off-schedule throws were a disaster. Both were willing to make a lot of tough small window throws. I don't agree that Jimmy went for checkdowns but he didn't push the ball downfield at all and that's the major difference. Purdys ball placement is far superior

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
The 2 biggest differences between JG & BP from what I see is : #1 JG is not as accurate as BP. #2 Where JG would take the check down most of the time, BP will go for the kill shot further down the field. Also Brock hits the receivers in stride more than JG did. I'm glad we have him

I would also add that Brock has been one of the better QB's in avoiding sacks and making plays out of structure while Jimmy was one of the worst.

Cam EARNED NFL MVP playing QB. Only a handful alive can make that claim. He's entitled more so than I to have an opinion on this. I just believe he's wrong and there will be a LOT of teams looking for their own Brock Purdy when all is said and done because a LOT of teams are trying to have an offensive "system" in place like ours if not carbon copies and they'd be thrilled to have a QB like Brock that can be both the distributor and the playmaker that Brock has shown to be this year.

Brock is throwing guys open hitting them in stride diagnosing coverages and processing what he's seeing pre and post snap at lighting quick efficiency. He's also doing a bang up job sifting through the trash in the pocket and buyin that extra second or two to find our guys. He is not only throwing for first downs but also big play touchdowns and he's efficient in the red zone and in getting explosive plays

I realized last Sunday that now I'm at the point to where every time Brock drops back and releases the ball the target will be found every time for a completion and not a turnover or a bad play. I haven't felt this way since we had Steve Young and I felt the same way about Drew Brees when he was the best QB in the league better than Brady and Manning

This is remarkable as Brock has barely started 20 games for us. Dude unbelievably came into te league with the hunger and competitiveness and the experience to hit the field pro ready and ready to navigate Kyle's offense

Ain't no game I'm concerned about winning with this team vs any other this year and right now Brock would get my MVP vote right up there with Dak and CMC. Anyone saying anything but good things about Brock right now is one miserable person. It's like, can you imaging someone saying anything bad about CMC? That's the level Brock is nearly playing at!