QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Everyone pushing the "Brock Purdy is just a byproduct of an elite supporting cast"-narrative just totally neglects to mention that he has a bottom-5 offensive line

I legit thought numbers like this would be impossible playing behind an OL this bad. Only Joe Burrow comes close pic.twitter.com/kR6spYnI0r

— Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) December 12, 2023

Regarding offensive Line play, maybe they weren't doing too well early in the season, but I don't think that's accurate now. I think the OLine, currently, is rounding into shape. I think they are becoming one of the better pass protection OLines in the NFL as their reps with each other increase. The main reason is that they are communicating better and not blowing the handoff assignments on blitzes and stunts. I've not really seen any DLines consistently dominating the 49er OLines. Physically, the 49er OLine isn't going to blow DLines off the ball, but they don't need to in this system. As for pass protection, yeah, they can get better - for sure. But as your post states, Brock doesn't need a lot of time to get the ball out.

Don't get me wrong though, I wanted a OLine pick in Latu's place, and I will be downright pissed next year if ShanaLynch doesn't try to pick an understudy for Trent Williams.

O line has def improved as the season has gone on, no doubt about that. They deserve that recognition, but it doesn't change that fact that as a whole - they've had a below average year (outside of Trent).

i fully expect us to nab at least two really good o line prospects this year. I think our first and possibly our second will be used on a tackle and a player who can play both Guard/Center.

still insane how good Brock has been with the way the line has performed overall this year

Originally posted by 49ers808:
What blows my mind even more is when you compare the schedules, Dallas played an easy schedule. Let's see how Dak does on these last few games. The only media head that brings up the opponents that I've seen is Brou when he's debating Nick Wright. Says Dak played a bunch of tomato cans

Brousard just blows him away and yeah he's right.

I almost never watch any sports media with pundits. I do like ex players opinions even though half of them sell out for clicks and s**t, but my god how do you guys even bother. Hurd and Skip. I watched a couple of clips earlier and its literally something any of us could do at any bar.

When I visit here I like the beat writers, the coaches, and players stories and info such as injuries etc. DGAF about anything else since it means nothing on gameday.

Originally posted by tankle104:
O line has def improved as the season has gone on, no doubt about that. They deserve that recognition, but it doesn't change that fact that as a whole - they've had a below average year (outside of Trent).

i fully expect us to nab at least two really good o line prospects this year. I think our first and possibly our second will be used on a tackle and a player who can play both Guard/Center.

To my knowledge, Shanahan has always preferred a Veteran Center. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to roll with Feliciano/Brendel, and/or we sign a veteran to a modest contract next year to compete with them.

Was hoping Burford would take more of a step forward this year, but he's serviceable at this point. It'd be nice to upgrade, but I can also see them prioritizing other needs on Day 1 and 2.
But, YES, we definitely need to find a talented Tackle to take over at Right Tackle, and groom him to be Trent's replacement. I'll be very disappointed if we don't draft a tackle in the first or second round this offseason.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I almost never watch any sports media with pundits. I do like ex players opinions even though half of them sell out for clicks and s**t, but my god how do you guys even bother. Hurd and Skip. I watched a couple of clips earlier and its literally something any of us could do at any bar.

When I visit here I like the beat writers, the coaches, and players stories and info such as injuries etc. DGAF about anything else since it means nothing on gameday.

Largely, I watch Stephen A because he dumps on the Cowboys, and I generally agree with his takes. He's usually somewhat fair when it comes to the 49ers and Warriors. I actively went looking for his reactions when we destroyed the Cowboys earlier this season.

I didn't listen to any media takes during the 3 game slide. I already knew we were struggling with injuries and had a lot of confidence that our team would get healthy and fix some things, and they did. Didn't need to hear any of their inane chatter for three weeks.

While I don't really take the pundits seriously, I do kind of keep an eye on what the pulse is though, because sportswriters are the voters for the awards and they may share similar sentiments to the talking heads.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:
O line has def improved as the season has gone on, no doubt about that. They deserve that recognition, but it doesn't change that fact that as a whole - they've had a below average year (outside of Trent).

i fully expect us to nab at least two really good o line prospects this year. I think our first and possibly our second will be used on a tackle and a player who can play both Guard/Center.

To my knowledge, Shanahan has always preferred a Veteran Center. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to roll with Feliciano/Brendel, and/or we sign a veteran to a modest contract next year to compete with them.

Was hoping Burford would take more of a step forward this year, but he's serviceable at this point. It'd be nice to upgrade, but I can also see them prioritizing other needs on Day 1 and 2.
But, YES, we definitely need to find a talented Tackle to take over at Right Tackle, and groom him to be Trent's replacement. I'll be very disappointed if we don't draft a tackle in the first or second round this offseason.

Our system demands a lot on centers, for sure. I don't expect a rookie to do the job next year but our center is average and on the wrong side of thirty.

so what I'm saying is I think they'll draft a young guy who can play center and guard and then groom him for a year. At worst we have a young talented o lineman who can play three positions.

this year we have a wasted roster spot because we don't have a swing tackle, we have two tackles that play one side each.

so I expect we will draft a young talented tackle in the first round and most likely groom him for a year (behind mckivitz unless he out performs him) to learn both sides. Save us a roster spot. Then another young guy who can play guard and center. I'm talking like a first and second round guy, not UDFA or a 6-7th round project. We need some clear cut talent on the o line.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:
O line has def improved as the season has gone on, no doubt about that. They deserve that recognition, but it doesn't change that fact that as a whole - they've had a below average year (outside of Trent).

i fully expect us to nab at least two really good o line prospects this year. I think our first and possibly our second will be used on a tackle and a player who can play both Guard/Center.

To my knowledge, Shanahan has always preferred a Veteran Center. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to roll with Feliciano/Brendel, and/or we sign a veteran to a modest contract next year to compete with them.

Was hoping Burford would take more of a step forward this year, but he's serviceable at this point. It'd be nice to upgrade, but I can also see them prioritizing other needs on Day 1 and 2.
But, YES, we definitely need to find a talented Tackle to take over at Right Tackle, and groom him to be Trent's replacement. I'll be very disappointed if we don't draft a tackle in the first or second round this offseason.

Our system demands a lot on centers, for sure. I don't expect a rookie to do the job next year but our center is average and on the wrong side of thirty.

so what I'm saying is I think they'll draft a young guy who can play center and guard and then groom him for a year. At worst we have a young talented o lineman who can play three positions.

this year we have a wasted roster spot because we don't have a swing tackle, we have two tackles that play one side each.

so I expect we will draft a young talented tackle in the first round and most likely groom him for a year (behind mckivitz unless he out performs him) to learn both sides. Save us a roster spot. Then another young guy who can play guard and center. I'm talking like a first and second round guy, not UDFA or a 6-7th round project. We need some clear cut talent on the o line.

Yeah, I'm hopeful we'll go after 1st/2nd round talents for the offensive line. For Shanahan/Lynch, we've only drafted McGlinchey (9th overall) and Aaron Banks (48th overall) with 1st/2nd round picks during their tenure. Historically, it hasn't felt like we've prioritized offensive line in the draft, but those two have happened.

We've also signed vets like Laken Tomlinson and gave Weston Richburg a big contract. So I think they're not afraid to spend money in free agency IF they think it's a good deal.

I honestly could see them going after offensive and defensive linemen in the draft. We've drafted a number of young guys in the secondary the past few years, and have a bunch of skill position players on offense. Offensive line and defensive front 7 could use an infusion of youth.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:


FIRST THINGS FIRST | He's getting enough flowers - Nick wents reasons NOT to give Brock Purdy MVP

It's just a gag to get fired up niners fans commenting on his s**t. Not even he believes the s**t he spews.

He's another dips**t that ranks college QBs above Brock on his QB mountain rankings. Personally, I enjoy all the disrespect because I just know it adds fuel to Purdys already burning 🔥

The naysayers in the media are just falling back on "oh, he didn't look good in the three game stretch, so yeah!"

But I have yet to see an analyst say "Look at these throws and plays. He's missing guys. He's off the mark here." (because there really aren't a lot of those).
Meanwhile, any one that looks on the film can see that he's playing at a high level.

Is Purdy the only QB ever that has lost games? God, they treat that three-game losing streak like it was the only thing Brock has ever done. Where A.) Plenty of other issues there during that time B.) Shocking, even great QBs have lost multiple games before C.) He has barely a year under his belt of full play factoring in the injury from the NFC Aestrick Championship Game. And above all, he came back from it and they have not lost a GAME SINCE. People claim he can't play from behind, coming off the slide of a three-game losing streak to what we are seeing now. That's comeback sh*t.
Brock is SO YOUNG, it's crazy how much his game has already improved. And yes all of this crap is clickbait anyway, I know. But difficult to believe these guys make thousands by just spewing some hot take garbage.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, I'm hopeful we'll go after 1st/2nd round talents for the offensive line. For Shanahan/Lynch, we've only drafted McGlinchey (9th overall) and Aaron Banks (48th overall) with 1st/2nd round picks during their tenure. Historically, it hasn't felt like we've prioritized offensive line in the draft, but those two have happened.

We've also signed vets like Laken Tomlinson and gave Weston Richburg a big contract. So I think they're not afraid to spend money in free agency IF they think it's a good deal.

I honestly could see them going after offensive and defensive linemen in the draft. We've drafted a number of young guys in the secondary the past few years, and have a bunch of skill position players on offense. Offensive line and defensive front 7 could use an infusion of youth.

If I'm not mistaken, this is supposed to be a deep d & o line draft - we should be able to get quality guys in the first two rounds.

our d line will need help if we can't resign gregory & young. We could always trade for more talent, I guess, but I like these two guys. We are getting them for Pennie's on the dollar but would be cool to resign them.

i know the team will do sometbing good but I just don't know what yet. Either a trade for someone who's not been developed properly (laken Tomlinson type).

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, I'm hopeful we'll go after 1st/2nd round talents for the offensive line. For Shanahan/Lynch, we've only drafted McGlinchey (9th overall) and Aaron Banks (48th overall) with 1st/2nd round picks during their tenure. Historically, it hasn't felt like we've prioritized offensive line in the draft, but those two have happened.

We've also signed vets like Laken Tomlinson and gave Weston Richburg a big contract. So I think they're not afraid to spend money in free agency IF they think it's a good deal.

I honestly could see them going after offensive and defensive linemen in the draft. We've drafted a number of young guys in the secondary the past few years, and have a bunch of skill position players on offense. Offensive line and defensive front 7 could use an infusion of youth.

If I'm not mistaken, this is supposed to be a deep d & o line draft - we should be able to get quality guys in the first two rounds.

our d line will need help if we can't resign gregory & young. We could always trade for more talent, I guess, but I like these two guys. We are getting them for Pennie's on the dollar but would be cool to resign them.

i know the team will do sometbing good but I just don't know what yet. Either a trade for someone who's not been developed properly (laken Tomlinson type).

What we choose to do for defensive line will be fascinating. We have the benefit of Kocurek, and Bosa / Armstead / Hargraves signed for a few years... with AA probably being one of the first cap casualties down the line.

But largely, we've been able to just find, essentially, reclamation projects, and Kocurek has been able to squeeze out production, where guys like Gregory or Ferrell, can have success in one-on-one match-ups, and shine in limited roles.

2022, we drafted Drake Jackson at edge, Kalia Davis on the interior. But nothing in 2023. So I really think this is a year where we do invest in both the offensive and defensive lines.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:


FIRST THINGS FIRST | He's getting enough flowers - Nick wents reasons NOT to give Brock Purdy MVP

It's just a gag to get fired up niners fans commenting on his s**t. Not even he believes the s**t he spews.

He's another dips**t that ranks college QBs above Brock on his QB mountain rankings. Personally, I enjoy all the disrespect because I just know it adds fuel to Purdys already burning 🔥

The naysayers in the media are just falling back on "oh, he didn't look good in the three game stretch, so yeah!"

But I have yet to see an analyst say "Look at these throws and plays. He's missing guys. He's off the mark here." (because there really aren't a lot of those).
Meanwhile, any one that looks on the film can see that he's playing at a high level.

Its gotten to a point where they aren't even making a case for why they believe Dak deserves MVP over Brock. They are simply exhausting all the played out excuses for why Brock doesn't deserve it. None of which proves that Dak is having a better season.

What blows my mind is that, when you look at the stats, they're very similar, except that Dak has an extra NINETY throws over Brock. That's like playing an extra three games to get the same yardage and touchdowns. Brock is playing so much more efficiently, especially in the intermediate and deep areas of the field.

I agree. The argument that keeps coming up on twitter and FB is that Dak is doing more with less. 1st of all Dak is not doing more with less for the reasons you just stated. Brock has 90 less attempts but more yards and almost as many TD's. 2nd, Dak has a 6x 1k yard receiver and a 3x 1k yard receiver to throw the ball to. Which 49ers receivers have more than 2x 1k yard seasons? That is now my rebuttal to that "weapons argument".

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:


FIRST THINGS FIRST | He's getting enough flowers - Nick wents reasons NOT to give Brock Purdy MVP

It's just a gag to get fired up niners fans commenting on his s**t. Not even he believes the s**t he spews.

He's another dips**t that ranks college QBs above Brock on his QB mountain rankings. Personally, I enjoy all the disrespect because I just know it adds fuel to Purdys already burning 🔥

The naysayers in the media are just falling back on "oh, he didn't look good in the three game stretch, so yeah!"

But I have yet to see an analyst say "Look at these throws and plays. He's missing guys. He's off the mark here." (because there really aren't a lot of those).
Meanwhile, any one that looks on the film can see that he's playing at a high level.

Its gotten to a point where they aren't even making a case for why they believe Dak deserves MVP over Brock. They are simply exhausting all the played out excuses for why Brock doesn't deserve it. None of which proves that Dak is having a better season.

What blows my mind is that, when you look at the stats, they're very similar, except that Dak has an extra NINETY throws over Brock. That's like playing an extra three games to get the same yardage and touchdowns. Brock is playing so much more efficiently, especially in the intermediate and deep areas of the field.

I agree. The argument that keeps coming up on twitter and FB is that Dak is doing more with less. 1st of all Dak is not doing more with less for the reasons you just stated. Brock has 90 less attempts but more yards and almost as many TD's. 2nd, Dak has a 6x 1k yard receiver and a 3x 1k yard receiver to throw the ball to. Which 49ers receivers have more than 2x 1k yard seasons? That is now my rebuttal to that "weapons argument".

i think the "more" is throwing more bad pass attempts

getting rewarded for working harder, not smarter

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree. The argument that keeps coming up on twitter and FB is that Dak is doing more with less. 1st of all Dak is not doing more with less for the reasons you just stated. Brock has 90 less attempts but more yards and almost as many TD's. 2nd, Dak has a 6x 1k yard receiver and a 3x 1k yard receiver to throw the ball to. Which 49ers receivers have more than 2x 1k yard seasons? That is now my rebuttal to that "weapons argument".

I understand their argument. But while Cooks, Lamb, Pollard are not CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle... they're still good players. Lamb is on pace for 1600 yards receiving, and that's the productivity of an elite WR. I don't think they can make the argument because Dak still has good players.

Just a thought... If Brock Purdy had the same amount of attempts as Dak Prescott, he'd have 4453 passing yards, 31 TD's. If he had that volume over a 17 game season... those numbers would be insane.

I don't think people appreciate what Purdy is doing in the intermediate/deep range as a passer. His 9.9 yards per attempt is ridiculous, and this isn't heavy play action either. Presently, his ypa is tied for 4th all-time (single season). The guys ahead of him threw for 10 ypa in the 1940s/1950s. Meanwhile, the comparable modern era player is Kurt Warner's 2000 season. I haven't looked into it, but I believe David Lombardi (?), noted that the 49ers offense has comparable efficiency and explosiveness to the Greatest Show on Turf Rams.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree. The argument that keeps coming up on twitter and FB is that Dak is doing more with less. 1st of all Dak is not doing more with less for the reasons you just stated. Brock has 90 less attempts but more yards and almost as many TD's. 2nd, Dak has a 6x 1k yard receiver and a 3x 1k yard receiver to throw the ball to. Which 49ers receivers have more than 2x 1k yard seasons? That is now my rebuttal to that "weapons argument".

We can make arguments about Brock outperforming Dak without pretending they have better or equal weapons. They definitely don't. I think nearly every objective observer would take Deebo/Aiyuk over Lamb/Cooks, and that gap is going to widen including Kittle and CMC.