QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you put a fat OL in at QB and ran the tush push every play, that would change the game too. That is not what Cam meant by game changer vs game manager.

I know dudes like this and I know what they mean. When you are gifted you believe that others that did not hit the genetic lottery have little to no value as compared to you. You get to a place where you cannot accept that these individuals are better at an undertaking than you despite the evidence staring you right in your face.

To a guy like Cam, who made defensive coordinators "change their gameplan" in how they would defend him vs a pocket passer and then went on to accomplish what he accomplished in his youth on every level, they believe this is what it should look like. Thing is though he in my opinion, ignorantly leaves out that Brock has "changed the game" for the 49ers in a different way. We can tell by looking at how our offense has now surpassed the defense in game to game effectiveness. Brock did that. Brock changed the game!

We score more, we win more, we go deep more, we get the ball to more playmakers and we break team offensive records more. Just the mere fact that we now have after 20 or more years a QB that is in consideration for NFL MVP, Pro Bowl and maybe All Pro is a HUGE change for us. He is our game changer and that is my opinion

Perfectly said.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you put a fat OL in at QB and ran the tush push every play, that would change the game too. That is not what Cam meant by game changer vs game manager.

I know dudes like this and I know what they mean. When you are gifted you believe that others that did not hit the genetic lottery have little to no value as compared to you. You get to a place where you cannot accept that these individuals are better at an undertaking than you despite the evidence staring you right in your face.

To a guy like Cam, who made defensive coordinators "change their gameplan" in how they would defend him vs a pocket passer and then went on to accomplish what he accomplished in his youth on every level, they believe this is what it should look like. Thing is though he in my opinion, ignorantly leaves out that Brock has "changed the game" for the 49ers in a different way. We can tell by looking at how our offense has now surpassed the defense in game to game effectiveness. Brock did that. Brock changed the game!

We score more, we win more, we go deep more, we get the ball to more playmakers and we break team offensive records more. Just the mere fact that we now have after 20 or more years a QB that is in consideration for NFL MVP, Pro Bowl and maybe All Pro is a HUGE change for us. He is our game changer and that is my opinion

So true and never really thought of that from a Athletic skill perspective. You belive it's only yours and no one can do it better. You are the only one who can perform like that and to be great you have to have that particular skill.

Purdy has played better than anyone we have had behind center since Steve Young. He has the head of Montana which I've really only seen with Brady, Roger's and Payton. Mahomes is a different type of QB, still great but his ability to read defenses and scan the field is not as good as Brocks IMO.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
So true and never really thought of that from a Athletic skill perspective. You belive it's only yours and no one can do it better. You are the only one who can perform like that and to be great you have to have that particular skill.

Purdy has played better than anyone we have had behind center since Steve Young. He has the head of Montana which I've really only seen with Brady, Roger's and Payton. Mahomes is a different type of QB, still great but his ability to read defenses and scan the field is not as good as Brocks IMO.

Agree

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think Cam is the first former QB to say this kind of stuff about Brock. Up till now, all former NFL QBs have been complimentary of Brock and pointed out the finer aspects of QBing that Brock has been displaying. Cam is the first one that has given a bad hot take version of an analysis.

True, and as with all opinions, there's folks that will agree, and there will be folks that disagree. But the facts are the facts. An 80% winning percentage pretty much sums it up, and that is a fact, not an opinion.

Cam is still mad at 49ers for this beatdown:

I think it's this vicious, dirty hit that makes him hate the 49ers.

NFCC. I was at that game lol

It was a Divisional round playoff game, not NFC Championship.

my fault! the game right before the Seahawks!

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by tankle104:


good interview of Sherm and Brown! Playing against someone with the processing power and accuracy of Brock in practice has got him more prepared for the starting role 😈

great suff, never even though of this

Reminds me of an Eric Davis quote from before a '94 Dallas game. Michael Irvin was tearing things up and Davis was going to have to guard him. Davis said he wasn't worried about Irvin because he had to practice against Jerry Rice every day, and Jerry never took a play off, even in practice.

love that

We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you put a fat OL in at QB and ran the tush push every play, that would change the game too. That is not what Cam meant by game changer vs game manager.

I know dudes like this and I know what they mean. When you are gifted you believe that others that did not hit the genetic lottery have little to no value as compared to you. You get to a place where you cannot accept that these individuals are better at an undertaking than you despite the evidence staring you right in your face.

To a guy like Cam, who made defensive coordinators "change their gameplan" in how they would defend him vs a pocket passer and then went on to accomplish what he accomplished in his youth on every level, they believe this is what it should look like. Thing is though he in my opinion, ignorantly leaves out that Brock has "changed the game" for the 49ers in a different way. We can tell by looking at how our offense has now surpassed the defense in game to game effectiveness. Brock did that. Brock changed the game!

We score more, we win more, we go deep more, we get the ball to more playmakers and we break team offensive records more. Just the mere fact that we now have after 20 or more years a QB that is in consideration for NFL MVP, Pro Bowl and maybe All Pro is a HUGE change for us. He is our game changer and that is my opinion

Cam skipped brain day.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

I've always been of the opinion that until Brock proves otherwise, I'm just going to assume that he's going to keep playing like Joe Montana every time he takes the field. It's worked out so far.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

I've always been of the opinion that until Brock proves otherwise, I'm just going to assume that he's going to keep playing like Joe Montana every time he takes the field. It's worked out so far.

That's how I feel. Brock has demonstrated through a decent sample size that having an average game or less is the outlier and playing at a high level is the norm for him.

so in my eyes, he has the ability to be great, until otherwise proven. I think he's earned that so far. He has numerous years left to prove that he belongs in that discussion but I think he's displayed so much already that shows he has the potential to.

Historically, we are always saying "man if "QB 1" can add X, & Y to his game AND get better at Z - he could be great".

With Brock, it's really more of "if he just keeps up what he's
been doing - he will be great. You can usually tell when someone is a product of a system, and Brock def benefits from the system he is in, but the system also benefits because of what he adds to it.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

I've always been of the opinion that until Brock proves otherwise, I'm just going to assume that he's going to keep playing like Joe Montana every time he takes the field. It's worked out so far.

I saw allof Joe's games in person at the Stick or on TV. Purdy does play a lot like Joe but there are a couple of differences.

Joes arm was very similar but maybe a tad stronger. He was a better runner when he first came into the league before he got beat up and started having back issues. The big difference is the cool under pressure. Brock may have that but he hasn't had to come back and score a TD with 2 minutes left. He hasn't had to bring the team back when they were down by 3 scores. We haven't seen him throw 4 TD passes in the 4th quarter after being sacked 7 times. These are the things that made Joe a legend. Not just his play on games that the Niners won easily.

I would legitimately prefer Dak got the MVP. That way, if we get to the Super Bowl, Brock doesn't have to waste his time on it, and he feels even more of a chip on his shoulder. I had forgotten they announce it Super Bowl week now, but I'd still prefer Dak feel the pressure of everyone thinking he's MVP so he chokes it up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

I've always been of the opinion that until Brock proves otherwise, I'm just going to assume that he's going to keep playing like Joe Montana every time he takes the field. It's worked out so far.

I saw allof Joe's games in person at the Stick or on TV. Purdy does play a lot like Joe but there are a couple of differences.

Joes arm was very similar but maybe a tad stronger. He was a better runner when he first came into the league before he got beat up and started having back issues. The big difference is the cool under pressure. Brock may have that but he hasn't had to come back and score a TD with 2 minutes left. He hasn't had to bring the team back when they were down by 3 scores. We haven't seen him throw 4 TD passes in the 4th quarter after being sacked 7 times. These are the things that made Joe a legend. Not just his play on games that the Niners won easily.

I was pretty young when Joe played his last game with us, so can't really comment on the early years, but judging by highlights, I can't see a difference in arm strength. Joe may have been faster when he was younger, but Purdy's short area quickness is elite, like Lamar Jackson quick judging by his ten yard split.

Purdy is his own person. His legend will grow at his own pace. The point of all of it is that Purdy has done nothing but play like an elite QB (you can substitute a few different HOFers or future HOFers when comparing his level of play). There's no crowning him by recognizing the fact that all he's done is play like an elite QB. As long as he plays at this level over and over again, I'm going to assume that that is his baseline level of play. It's not a prognostication, but a current observation based on historical evidence.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I would legitimately prefer Dak got the MVP. That way, if we get to the Super Bowl, Brock doesn't have to waste his time on it, and he feels even more of a chip on his shoulder. I had forgotten they announce it Super Bowl week now, but I'd still prefer Dak feel the pressure of everyone thinking he's MVP so he chokes it up.

Guys like Acho and a couple of others who have been given the authority to vote on MVP have already come out and said they are not voting for Brock due to the 49ers losing those 3 games in the middle of the season. Their reasoning is Brock cannot be the MVP because he didn't look good without Trent and Deebo. I wouldn't mind if it went to Hill or CMC. However, It would be quite embarrasing for the NFL to hand an MVP to a QB who looked like garbage against a current 3-10 team and currently has a losing record against teams above .500.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We're almost afraid to compare Brock to Montana in any way because of the blowback. But the more I think about how Montana played the position, Brock is very close to Montana in the way they function on the field. Sneaky athleticism. Able to move in and out of the pocket, avoid rushers, always keeping his eyes downfield for his guys, good sense of where the rushers coming from, anticipation, timing, accuracy with touch and catchable passes. Brees, yeah ok. Brock is even closer to Montana.

I've always been of the opinion that until Brock proves otherwise, I'm just going to assume that he's going to keep playing like Joe Montana every time he takes the field. It's worked out so far.

I saw allof Joe's games in person at the Stick or on TV. Purdy does play a lot like Joe but there are a couple of differences.

Joes arm was very similar but maybe a tad stronger. He was a better runner when he first came into the league before he got beat up and started having back issues. The big difference is the cool under pressure. Brock may have that but he hasn't had to come back and score a TD with 2 minutes left. He hasn't had to bring the team back when they were down by 3 scores. We haven't seen him throw 4 TD passes in the 4th quarter after being sacked 7 times. These are the things that made Joe a legend. Not just his play on games that the Niners won easily.

I was pretty young when Joe played his last game with us, so can't really comment on the early years, but judging by highlights, I can't see a difference in arm strength. Joe may have been faster when he was younger, but Purdy's short area quickness is elite, like Lamar Jackson quick judging by his ten yard split.

Purdy is his own person. His legend will grow at his own pace. The point of all of it is that Purdy has done nothing but play like an elite QB (you can substitute a few different HOFers or future HOFers when comparing his level of play). There's no crowning him by recognizing the fact that all he's done is play like an elite QB. As long as he plays at this level over and over again, I'm going to assume that that is his baseline level of play. It's not a prognostication, but a current observation based on historical evidence.

I have no issues at all with the way Brock has played. Comparisons with Montana in style of play are appropriate but actual comparisons will always be impossible. Different era with different rules. Playing QB is much easier now because they know they aren't going to get pummeled like they used to. It's not surprising that all NFL QBs now complete over 60% of their passes with the better ones around 68% or more. In Joe's era there were very few that completed over 60%.

This is something I have a problem with. TV announcers and fans are always trying to compare players in sports with players from different eras. Basketball has changed mainly because of the 3 point shot. Baseball now has universal DH and pitchers are expected to throw hard h for 4 or 5 innings instead of going the distance. Football rules have changed more than any other sport. Defensive players now play with kid gloves. Receivers wear fly paper gloves and run 4.3 40 times.

I prefer to compare players to other guys he plays against. Brock is as good as any QB in the league right now and better than most of them.