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Originally posted by Eddie_D:
I think the problem is Kyle. After the first interception Brock was being told what to do in typical Kyle's dictatorship style. Just unleash the Brock and let him do what he does. Brock was super hesitant with his progressions. Nothing was natural.

IMO this is exactly what happened the Bengals game as well.

That said, I think he's been that way even on successful plays. Stares and waits for his primary. Usually it works out but IMO it seems his progression game has been stale.

I don't rewatch games or do the all-22 just what it appears to me watching live
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see one WR who can win on routes consistently, JJ is an elite blocker, out last night, but he's our WR3. Deebo is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think of him as getting a lot of separation. The way we use Deebo, is in the run game, or as a joker, the screen game, just manufacture ways to get the ball in his hands. He doesn't excel dropping back every play and him toasting his matchup for easy completions. Lot of teams have a slot machine, a guy who can play the slot, we don't have a slot WR rostered (as in a conventional slot WR). You kinda need that if you are gonna drop back every play, or comeback in that fashion.

Deebo can and does get separation. Most teams don't have a bunch of elite separators on their roster…you're making it sound like that's normal?

also the slot position overall doesn't require elite separation. They get free releases off the LOS. IMO JJ is more than a blocker, he's got good footwork and there's a reason why a lot of his catches go for 1st downs.

Our receiving personnel is not the issue overall, yes our OL is on the lower end as far as pass-pro goes, they also are towards the top in the league in downfield/explosive plays.

If you think we need a Tyreek Hill like WR…well every team would say yes lol.

Baltimore matches up very well with us.


You're gonna have a hard time finding a team with 5 INTs (and zero takeaways) that have come back and won a game like that.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 26, 2023 at 12:49 PM ]
Originally posted by picklejuice:

lol Brock was not amused.
Originally posted by Eddie_D:
I think the problem is Kyle. After the first interception Brock was being told what to do in typical Kyle's dictatorship style. Just unleash the Brock and let him do what he does. Brock was super hesitant with his progressions. Nothing was natural.

So Kyle told him to throw back across his body in the middle of the field? Told him to throw behind Deebo?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see one WR who can win on routes consistently, JJ is an elite blocker, out last night, but he's our WR3. Deebo is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think of him as getting a lot of separation. The way we use Deebo, is in the run game, or as a joker, the screen game, just manufacture ways to get the ball in his hands. He doesn't excel dropping back every play and him toasting his matchup for easy completions. Lot of teams have a slot machine, a guy who can play the slot, we don't have a slot WR rostered (as in a conventional slot WR). You kinda need that if you are gonna drop back every play, or comeback in that fashion.

Deebo can and does get separation. Most teams don't have a bunch of elite separators on their roster…you're making it sound like that's normal?

also the slot position overall doesn't require elite separation. They get free releases off the LOS. IMO JJ is more than a blocker, he's got good footwork and there's a reason why a lot of his catches go for 1st downs.

Our receiving personnel is not the issue overall, yes our OL is on the lower end as far as pass-pro goes, they also are towards the top in the league in downfield/explosive plays.

If you think we need a Tyreek Hill like WR…well every team would say yes lol.

Baltimore matches up very well with us.


You're gonna have a hard time finding a team with 5 INTs (and zero takeaways) that have come back and won a game like that.

I knew you would be back today.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see one WR who can win on routes consistently, JJ is an elite blocker, out last night, but he's our WR3. Deebo is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think of him as getting a lot of separation. The way we use Deebo, is in the run game, or as a joker, the screen game, just manufacture ways to get the ball in his hands. He doesn't excel dropping back every play and him toasting his matchup for easy completions. Lot of teams have a slot machine, a guy who can play the slot, we don't have a slot WR rostered (as in a conventional slot WR). You kinda need that if you are gonna drop back every play, or comeback in that fashion.

Deebo can and does get separation. Most teams don't have a bunch of elite separators on their roster…you're making it sound like that's normal?

also the slot position overall doesn't require elite separation. They get free releases off the LOS. IMO JJ is more than a blocker, he's got good footwork and there's a reason why a lot of his catches go for 1st downs.

Our receiving personnel is not the issue overall, yes our OL is on the lower end as far as pass-pro goes, they also are towards the top in the league in downfield/explosive plays.

If you think we need a Tyreek Hill like WR…well every team would say yes lol.

Baltimore matches up very well with us.


You're gonna have a hard time finding a team with 5 INTs (and zero takeaways) that have come back and won a game like that.

I knew you would be back today.

like clockwork

Everyone waiting for the opportunity to pounce on this kid, got their wish. Now they can can go f**k themselves, right Elon? He's now five short of Brady's six games with 4 INTS. Move on.
The Ravens pass rush was too good for Brock to be able to sit back and wait for a receiver to get open. He was forced to throw shorter for much of the game. Early in the gme he was throwing 15, 20 or 25 yards downfield. Once the Ravens got up 30-12 the running game wasn't as useful and the Ravens could just tee off and come after Purdy. It didn't help when the O line started going down.
Here's the deal. The Niners were trying to win the MVP vote yesterday, the Ravens came to win the game. The 49ers weren't ready, period. They weren't for the physicality of the defensive line. Offensive line got ate up. The only good news is that this MVP talk is over, and the focus on being a Superbowl team can be the main thing.
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Everyone waiting for the opportunity to pounce on this kid, got their wish. Now they can can go f**k themselves, right Elon? He's now five short of Brady's six games with 4 INTS. Move on.

I don't listen to any of that. He played bad yesterday, but it happens. People forget he's 23 and it's his second season. For me I want to see how he responds. The ravens defense threw him off. Now can he identify what they did and how to counter it etc. in Purdy's defense his protection was garbage and Kyle seemed out wack with the play calls as well. I'm not worried about Purdy.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Everyone waiting for the opportunity to pounce on this kid, got their wish. Now they can can go f**k themselves, right Elon? He's now five short of Brady's six games with 4 INTS. Move on.

I don't listen to any of that. He played bad yesterday, but it happens. People forget he's 23 and it's his second season. For me I want to see how he responds. The ravens defense threw him off. Now can he identify what they did and how to counter it etc. in Purdy's defense his protection was garbage and Kyle seemed out wack with the play calls as well. I'm not worried about Purdy.

100% agree. Sky is not falling.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
...we ain't built to throw our way back into games

Let's talk about that:

I don't accept that as a fact. Last night the TV crew showed 4 different 49ers that were tops in different areas of receiving, including Purdy having a huge lead in yardage per attempt. That being the case, why can't we throw our way back into games?

To me, the only reason we MIGHT not be able to throw our way back into games is that the OL can't PP once the opponent begins to throw in stunts and blitzes the OL can't stop.
Originally posted by dj43:
Let's talk about that:

I don't accept that as a fact. Last night the TV crew showed 4 different 49ers that were tops in different areas of receiving, including Purdy having a huge lead in yardage per attempt. That being the case, why can't we throw our way back into games?

To me, the only reason we MIGHT not be able to throw our way back into games is that the OL can't PP once the opponent begins to throw in stunts and blitzes the OL can't stop.

While I disagree with the notion that we're not built to come back....the fact is that this is a run-oriented offense and the league as a whole is built to stop the pass first. That's a big advantage for Kyle, run the ball to set up the passing attack which is why SF is efficient, but if the running game is held in check, then it is more strength vs strength. Last nights game got totally out of hand when you're handing out gifts like a department store santa claus, and the other team has no turnovers....there just isn't any coming back from that.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
...we ain't built to throw our way back into games

Let's talk about that:

I don't accept that as a fact. Last night the TV crew showed 4 different 49ers that were tops in different areas of receiving, including Purdy having a huge lead in yardage per attempt. That being the case, why can't we throw our way back into games?

To me, the only reason we MIGHT not be able to throw our way back into games is that the OL can't PP once the opponent begins to throw in stunts and blitzes the OL can't stop.

to me, I hear announcers talk about it a lot. Aikman and Olson, both have just said it, among others. We have run blocking up front, and even out wide. JJ is an elite blocking WR. Most teams don't even employ blocking WRs. Not really a thing in today's game. As is the full back for much of the NFL.

We rank 32nd dead last in pass attempts. So yes, on a per play metric, we are highly pass efficient. That comes with our run threat, as well as high execution in our typical pass O.

In a typical comeback scenario, it's no huddle, hurry up pass O. Spread em out and take what they are giving. TB12 did this to us in 2012 (tho we won the game), and would later do it to ATL. BTW, you don't need to be TB12, a backup Frank Reich also did it, but that was on a team built to pass (pass catchers, pass pro, even a no huddle offense as their base).

We want to out physical teams on O. You can't really do that in a hurry up capacity. Deebo is often breathing heavy, and for good reason with the contact he absorbs, but that's heavy breathing with a full play clock. Imagine that style in a no huddle context. Just not our bag.

My 2 cents as usual, it's an interesting topic. I think BP can do it, just with some moves, give him more pass pro, and a real slot WR, a Renfrow, Edelman, Lockett type. Look at Zay Flowers, you want short area quickness in the slot.
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Dec 26, 2023 at 2:05 PM ]
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by dj43:
Let's talk about that:

I don't accept that as a fact. Last night the TV crew showed 4 different 49ers that were tops in different areas of receiving, including Purdy having a huge lead in yardage per attempt. That being the case, why can't we throw our way back into games?

To me, the only reason we MIGHT not be able to throw our way back into games is that the OL can't PP once the opponent begins to throw in stunts and blitzes the OL can't stop.

While I disagree with the notion that we're not built to come back....the fact is that this is a run-oriented offense and the league as a whole is built to stop the pass first. That's a big advantage for Kyle, run the ball to set up the passing attack which is why SF is efficient, but if the running game is held in check, then it is more strength vs strength. Last nights game got totally out of hand when you're handing out gifts like a department store santa claus, and the other team has no turnovers....there just isn't any coming back from that.

Are we not going to talk about the defense not being able to get a stop? I understand the disadvantage when we give them a short field, but there was a point we downed the ball at their 5 yard line and allowed them to drive the entire field. They settled for a FG, but in a closer game likely would have gone for it and made it. There is no way to throw your way back into a game if the defense can't get a stop.
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