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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.

Conference championship appearances? That's a losers game.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster

RUSHMORE

Not so sure Reid will ever surpass VINCE - SHULA - BILL - BILL .. unless a KC fan.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster

maybe go back to sleep, wake up again, and go thru the door labeled reality this time
can't believe i have to argue that Andy Reid can coach, as if ppl believe otherwise
only on the WZ
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
maybe go back to sleep, wake up again, and go thru the door labeled reality this time
can't believe i have to argue that Andy Reid can coach, as if ppl believe otherwise
only on the WZ

A lot of these arguments have turned into zero sum comparisons. Harbaugh - Shanahan. Shanahan - Reid.

All similarly victims of their own success among the people arguing.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster

maybe go back to sleep, wake up again, and go thru the door labeled reality this time
can't believe i have to argue that Andy Reid can coach, as if ppl believe otherwise
only on the WZ
You only view team accomplishments as a metric.. so much film out there you can try to provide.. but i will save your time, as the film is a majority of off script plays
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brady won without BB, BB hasn't done anything before or after Brady. It's more QB than anything else

he won without BB, and with Arians. Arians is a NFL COY. 2x,

with BB sure, without the QB he didn't work out, he was missing half the equation.. in 2020 tampa had the full equation and won, vs KC who also had the full equation. those 2 teams squared off..

If we're being honest Arians had little to do with that team winning it all. Brady basically ran his own offense, recruited a bunch of players to go there to play with him and then went out and even managed to push Arians out the door lol.

Belichick however is an excellent HC but his time has passed him by...mostly due to his age and the fact that teams understand he's on a clock to retire so nobody wants to give him the control he'd demand.

But Bill is one of the top defensive minds in the NFL. Getting a guy like that to go with Kyle would pretty much guarantee a SB.

If I had one question about Kyle is whether he's willing to bring in a DC who could challenge him. Saleh and Ryans worked out pretty well and we'll see how Sorensen does but getting his own Spags/Belichick would be the best way to get a SB ring IMO. I think Kyle had to spend too much time on the defensive side of things in the SB.
Great point!

Hopefully Staley is that guy that would stay with Kyle the way Spagnuolo has stayed with Ried. We'll find out once the season starts. Sorensen is a young guy, and I can see him getting a HC gig if he does well with the 49ers. Staley, on the other hand, has been a HC and maybe he - himself - thinks he's not head coaching material a la Spagnuolo and stay with Kyle for more than two years. We shall see.
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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster

RUSHMORE

Not so sure Reid will ever surpass VINCE - SHULA - BILL - BILL .. unless a KC fan.

Well I hope the 49ers stop his three-peat in 2024.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.

Reid is great for sure.

But he's not infallible, which is a reputation he's gotten while pre-Mahomes he had this choker label no different than Kyle....

Really, nobody is infallible.

I think with a great QB, the synergy is such that lost games become won (i.e. Mahomes/Reid, Brady/Belichick, Montana/Walsh).....we can maybe hope that Purdy/Shanahan join that list, where the defense and special teams can rise to the occasion when the offense isn't...
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.We

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.
when you learn to know about actual coaching then what the team accomplished... you may become a better poster

RUSHMORE

Not so sure Reid will ever surpass VINCE - SHULA - BILL - BILL .. unless a KC fan.

Well I hope the 49ers stop his three-peat in 2024.

We've got a chance to start one. We can be a scoring machine.
[ Edited by BOI49er on May 29, 2024 at 4:47 PM ]
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.

Reid is great for sure.

But he's not infallible, which is a reputation he's gotten while pre-Mahomes he had this choker label no different than Kyle....

Really, nobody is infallible.

I think with a great QB, the synergy is such that lost games become won (i.e. Mahomes/Reid, Brady/Belichick, Montana/Walsh).....we can maybe hope that Purdy/Shanahan join that list, where the defense and special teams can rise to the occasion when the offense isn't...

That Chiefs/Colts playoff game with the blown 28-point lead is one of the worst playoff losses in NFL history. What if the Chiefs had fired Reid because of it because it was yet another coaching blunder in the postseason, worse than any of his Philly losses?
[ Edited by captveg on May 29, 2024 at 6:23 PM ]
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
A lot of these arguments have turned into zero sum comparisons. Harbaugh - Shanahan. Shanahan - Reid.

All similarly victims of their own success among the people arguing.

Lol everything is either "the best" or "the worst". It's very odd. Why can't all three be awesome coaches In their own right? All have coached a team to a Super Bowl, multiple playoff appearances etc. 31/32 head coaches don't win the Super Bowl every year, it's difficult. lol
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
There is no question about it. Andy is an excellent HC but he's also gotten a lot of luck and excellent big game performances from some of their players.

Chris Jones made two plays in that 2019 SB that if neither is made KC loses that game. Nothing at all to do with Andy.

Chris and McDuffie took things over in this past SB. There was a reason Kelce was screaming at Andy and it wasn't a "great job big guy!"

Mahomes is able to take the game into his own hands and do some really special things out there whether with his legs or his arm and those things have nothing to do with Andy's playcalling or game planning.

Reid is an all time HC, a likely first ballot HOF, and maybe Mt Rushmore type coach.. he's currently 4th all time in wins.

this is from wiki: He is the only NFL coach to win 100 games and appear in four consecutive conference championships with two different franchises.

Reid is great for sure.

But he's not infallible, which is a reputation he's gotten while pre-Mahomes he had this choker label no different than Kyle....

Really, nobody is infallible.

I think with a great QB, the synergy is such that lost games become won (i.e. Mahomes/Reid, Brady/Belichick, Montana/Walsh).....we can maybe hope that Purdy/Shanahan join that list, where the defense and special teams can rise to the occasion when the offense isn't...

In the modern era, outside of BB/Walsh, no coach deserves to be listed as one the all time greats. Reid is solid, but he couldn't get over the hump for 20 years until he landed Pat.

Only other coach I could argue should be up there is Jimmy Johnson.
[ Edited by GoreGoreGore on May 29, 2024 at 8:28 PM ]
Jimmy Johnson had a team of all stars due to Dallas trading Herchell Walker for the whole of Minnesota's draft capital one year and getting Charles Haley for virtually nothing.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well I hope the 49ers stop his three-peat in 2024.

BP gets his first of his 4 peat
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