QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by krizay:

Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars - $55 million
Joe Burrow, Bengals - $55 million
Jared Goff, Lions - $53 million
Justin Herbert, Chargers - $52.5 million
Lamar Jackson, Ravens - $52 million
Jalen Hurts, Eagles - $51 million
Kyler Murray, Cardinals - $46.1 million
Deshaun Watson, Browns - $46 million
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs - $45 million
Kirk Cousins, Falcons - $45 million

Below are the 10 quarterbacks currently with the most fully guaranteed money.

Deshaun Watson, Browns - $230 million
Joe Burrow, Bengals - $146.51 million
Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars - $142 million
Lamar Jackson, Ravens - $135 million
Justin Herbert, Chargers - $133.74 million
Jared Goff, Lions - $113.61 million
Jalen Hurts, Eagles - $110 million
Kyler Murray, Cardinals - $103.3 million
Josh Allen, Bills - $100 million
Dak Prescott, Cowboys - $95 million

Top 8 guys in APY are sane top 8 guys in guaranteed.

Using APY or guaranteed money is 6 in one hand half a dozen in another

And it's all QBs.

The market for QBs compared to other positions is very unbalanced, this lacks the context mentioned.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34096853/highest-paid-nfl-players-tracking-most-money-guaranteed-per-year-every-position#WR

It's pretty much the same throughout the other positions

I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

This.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

Yeah but looking at just how much we are spending a year, while they're still on the team is mis leading.

if we cut Deebo after this season, we will still owe Deebo roughly $25M - it's just spread out over 3 season. We would have $15M dead cap next year and have $10M on the books over the next two years for him. The only cap savings is like $10M for one season if we cut him.

so we are definitely paying Deebo $20M+ a year for the years of service we got out of him - we just spread it out to lessen the initial cap hit. But the years we got to use him (assuming 3, if we cut him next year), he def got $20M+ a year out of us.

the main reason we are able to make a contract like his spread out is cause jed is willing to pay large signing bonuses - which gives the player all of the signing bonus upfront, so the owner has to cut the check when the player signs the contract, but allows us to spread the money throughout void years etc. we still pay it just over a longer period of time. Cheap owners don't do this and it hurts their cap.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He will get about $50 million. $135 million guaranteed. I don't see him getting $55 million. $45 million would be better to keep more of the team together. Cross that bridge when we get there. Just play ball this year and see what happens. Sometimes things change if you have an injury or whatever. If he's healthy, plays well again, we advance pretty deep again he will get paid. Quite a lot. But I don't think it will be very top numbers. Slightly less but still a lot compared to most.

Agree, it's going to change. Every year it changes and the gets bigger and bigger. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Netflix or some of the big internet guys (outside of YouTube and Amazon) has an additional NFL game or two that also generates more revenue for the NFL. As the NFL gets more exposure and increases their popularity overseas, the cap will only get bigger. Levi Stadium is hosting next week (I think) something like the North American Soccer Superbowl (or so my soccer fanatic friend says). IF the NFL gets popular as soccer - even if it's only in the north/south American continent -- I think that cap will probably double or triple. The future is Bright for Purdy if he wants to play till he's in his late 40's.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

Yeah but looking at just how much we are spending a year, while they're still on the team is mis leading.

if we cut Deebo after this season, we will still owe Deebo roughly $25M - it's just spread out over 3 season. We would have $15M dead cap next year and have $10M on the books over the next two years for him. The only cap savings is like $10M for one season if we cut him.

so we are definitely paying Deebo $20M+ a year for the years of service we got out of him - we just spread it out to lessen the initial cap hit. But the years we got to use him (assuming 3, if we cut him next year), he def got $20M+ a year out of us.

the main reason we are able to make a contract like his spread out is cause jed is willing to pay large signing bonuses - which gives the player all of the signing bonus upfront, so the owner has to cut the check when the player signs the contract, but allows us to spread the money throughout void years etc. we still pay it just over a longer period of time. Cheap owners don't do this and it hurts their cap.

I think Jed is indeed a key to front loading the player salaries. There is a risk, of the player holding out after all the guaranteed money is given, but the 49ers culture is strong. The Front loading, has other advantages in my opinion that's under appreciated. It's when a player gets old, for example Dre Greenlaw, I love him as a player, but if he doesn't recover 100%, his cap hit is almost zero if he's let go because of the frontloading previously. The opposit is bad (backloading), and the Rams had to learn the lesson of the 1994 Superbowl 49ers a few years ago - SeanLes had to let go so many all stars because of all the backloading deals they did.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

Yeah but looking at just how much we are spending a year, while they're still on the team is mis leading.

if we cut Deebo after this season, we will still owe Deebo roughly $25M - it's just spread out over 3 season. We would have $15M dead cap next year and have $10M on the books over the next two years for him. The only cap savings is like $10M for one season if we cut him.

so we are definitely paying Deebo $20M+ a year for the years of service we got out of him - we just spread it out to lessen the initial cap hit. But the years we got to use him (assuming 3, if we cut him next year), he def got $20M+ a year out of us.

the main reason we are able to make a contract like his spread out is cause jed is willing to pay large signing bonuses - which gives the player all of the signing bonus upfront, so the owner has to cut the check when the player signs the contract, but allows us to spread the money throughout void years etc. we still pay it just over a longer period of time. Cheap owners don't do this and it hurts their cap.

I think Jed is indeed a key to front loading the player salaries. There is a risk, of the player holding out after all the guaranteed money is given, but the 49ers culture is strong. The Front loading, has other advantages in my opinion that's under appreciated. It's when a player gets old, for example Dre Greenlaw, I love him as a player, but if he doesn't recover 100%, his cap hit is almost zero if he's let go because of the frontloading previously. The opposit is bad (backloading), and the Rams had to learn the lesson of the 1994 Superbowl 49ers a few years ago - SeanLes had to let go so many all stars because of all the backloading deals they did.

We fans pay a lot of attention to the players and coaches but in the modern NFL the front office is every bit as important when trying to build a winner. Keeping a team together is just as hard as getting the players in the first place. Lynch, Paraag and Jed have done a better job than 90% of the league.

Chris Simms can kiss my ass!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think the discrepancy some folks are talking about is based off the fact that determining a guys worth off of his APY is dumb. The numbers aren't real unless the whole deal is FGTD.

we had people upset that Deebo was gonna make "$24M per" just a couple years ago. Well guess what this is the first yr his cap hit is actually in double digits. One yr of a $20+M cap hit because next yr he will either be extended or cut, thus lowering his cap hit regardless. Not even close to $24M per.

Same thing with Hill/adams/St Brown (which I talked about) fluff. Lombardi who actually knows contracts/the cap (and is also a bit annoying) talked about all this on the Guy podcast the other day.

Still have one guy upset about it.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah but looking at just how much we are spending a year, while they're still on the team is mis leading.

if we cut Deebo after this season, we will still owe Deebo roughly $25M - it's just spread out over 3 season. We would have $15M dead cap next year and have $10M on the books over the next two years for him. The only cap savings is like $10M for one season if we cut him.

so we are definitely paying Deebo $20M+ a year for the years of service we got out of him - we just spread it out to lessen the initial cap hit. But the years we got to use him (assuming 3, if we cut him next year), he def got $20M+ a year out of us.

the main reason we are able to make a contract like his spread out is cause jed is willing to pay large signing bonuses - which gives the player all of the signing bonus upfront, so the owner has to cut the check when the player signs the contract, but allows us to spread the money throughout void years etc. we still pay it just over a longer period of time. Cheap owners don't do this and it hurts their cap.

If Deebo is cut/traded next yr, they have $15M in DM in 2025. His last yr of his deal voids after that, it's for cap purposes, not real money that they owe him.

nowhere in his contract does it show we're paying him over $20M every yr of his deal. None. s**t is spread out to take a minimal cap hit. Like damn near every contract in the NFL outside of Watson and Kirk.

Like I said SF will have a cap hit of over $20M for Deebo ONE year. At worst he's got a $15M DM hit in 2025. He will be extended/cut or traded in 2025. He isn't gonna play out his contract…like most younger players.

stop using APY to determine worth of a player. It's like telling me you're rich because of cryptocurrency (actually worse) lol. s**t ain't real.

Originally posted by Giedi:

I think Jed is indeed a key to front loading the player salaries. There is a risk, of the player holding out after all the guaranteed money is given, but the 49ers culture is strong. The Front loading, has other advantages in my opinion that's under appreciated. It's when a player gets old, for example Dre Greenlaw, I love him as a player, but if he doesn't recover 100%, his cap hit is almost zero if he's let go because of the frontloading previously. The opposit is bad (backloading), and the Rams had to learn the lesson of the 1994 Superbowl 49ers a few years ago - SeanLes had to let go so many all stars because of all the backloading deals they did.

Holding out isn't a thing really anymore since the CBA was updated.

IMO there really isn't such a thing as backloading or front loading deals. Huge signings bonuses are great because you can prorate it, plus the players might give in a little knowing they're getting their cash now. s**t doesn't really matter because of all the restructuring that happens. Look at mahomes, he's heading into the 4th year of his deal and still hasn't hit $40M cap wise because of restructuring.

Rams just had older players on bloated contracts. They overpaid at RB, CB snd a QB that didn't want

Originally posted by NYniner85:

As always, fully-guaranteed money is what we should look at. Among QBs…

1. Deshaun Watson: $230m
2. Joe Burrow: $146.5m
3. Trevor Lawrence: $142m
4. Lamar Jackson: $135m
5. Justin Herbert: $133.7m

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) June 13, 2024

lol Browns

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah but looking at just how much we are spending a year, while they're still on the team is mis leading.

if we cut Deebo after this season, we will still owe Deebo roughly $25M - it's just spread out over 3 season. We would have $15M dead cap next year and have $10M on the books over the next two years for him. The only cap savings is like $10M for one season if we cut him.

so we are definitely paying Deebo $20M+ a year for the years of service we got out of him - we just spread it out to lessen the initial cap hit. But the years we got to use him (assuming 3, if we cut him next year), he def got $20M+ a year out of us.

the main reason we are able to make a contract like his spread out is cause jed is willing to pay large signing bonuses - which gives the player all of the signing bonus upfront, so the owner has to cut the check when the player signs the contract, but allows us to spread the money throughout void years etc. we still pay it just over a longer period of time. Cheap owners don't do this and it hurts their cap.

If Deebo is cut/traded next yr, they have $15M in DM in 2025. His last yr of his deal voids after that, it's for cap purposes, not real money that they owe him.

nowhere in his contract does it show we're paying him over $20M every yr of his deal. None. s**t is spread out to take a minimal cap hit. Like damn near every contract in the NFL outside of Watson and Kirk.

Like I said SF will have a cap hit of over $20M for Deebo ONE year. At worst he's got a $15M DM hit in 2025. He will be extended/cut or traded in 2025. He isn't gonna play out his contract…like most younger players.

stop using APY to determine worth of a player. It's like telling me you're rich because of cryptocurrency (actually worse) lol. s**t ain't real.

I agree that guaranteed money is the most important but there are more ways to view it than just what we paid in a single year. You can't say that deebo didn't cost us $60M+ cause we didn't pay it to him in the three seasons he played here (assuming he is cut next year) cause that's false.

if we cut deebo next year - he will have made approx $20M a year per a season he played here. We just spread it out on paper (the cap) but ultimately, we are paying him $20M a year in real dollars.

he will have cost us $60M+ for us to use him over 3 seasons. We just spread that $60M out but we ultimately paid him $20M each year of service we got out of him.