Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SD49er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SD49er:
Lots of talking heads claim that Purdy's success is a result of the great talent on offense. Now, there is clearly great talent on the team's offense. But many players were already established, whereas we will likely never know if CJ Stroud made his offense great or if his talent is independently great because his weapons were not already established. I wonder if deebo, mcaffrey, ect were rookies last year or the year before if Purdy would have got the credit for making them great, where we know they are because they predate Purdy. My point is that when the qb predates the weapons often the qb gets the credit.
I say all this to ask whether Aiyuk was great before Purdy or did Purdy make Aiyuk great? This is a real question. Aiuyuk is clearly talented but Purdy is actually able to get him the ball. How many wr's have had the potential to be great but didn't have the qb to get them the ball. Purdy has maximized Aiyuk's talent making him a top 10 wr. If Jimmy was still the qb I don't think this would have happened. I think there may be a real argument that Purdy makes Aiyuk what he is and can likely do this for other receivers who have similar skill sets. I think there is a bizarre perception bias against Purdy based purely on the fact that Purdy arrived after his talent even though it's clear to me that he maximizes these players.
My drunk thought while I get hyped for training camp.
QB and WR work together so both influence and help each other. It's not really a chicken/egg thing, but more of a partnership type thing. Joe and Steve had Jerry - who was, and still is, all world. I think Joe, Steve, and Jerry made each other better. i.e. it takes two to tango.
Brock/Aiyuk combo reminds me a bit of the Joe/Dwight Clark combo. That's one reason Kyle's not letting Aiyuk go.
I think you're right that it's no a chicken/egg issue. They both benefit from one another. I also agree that Aiyuk isn't leaving.
I'm speaking more to perception of Purdy's greatness, or claimed lack thereon. Other Qbs, using Stroud as one example, seem to receive the credit so to speak when the talent around them is not yet established. Stroud gets the credit for making his team great despite the fact that his talent may actually be great independent of him, whereas Purdy only receives the benefit of his talent - not the other way around. I realize that caring about what talking heads say is dumb and only results in consuming their content (I think people like Nick Wright know that talking ish about Purdy gets clicks because 49er fans ride hard for the team.) In the dog days of summer, with all the lists coming out, I just can't understand the hate sometimes. I know its his draft spot, baby face, talented team, ect., but I find the analysis surface level and lazy.
The Stroud comparison argument for me is especially clear on this point. I see Stroud being labeled a top 5 QB after 1 season, while Brock fell outside the top 10 on that list in a year in which he outperformed Stroud in the regularseason and kicked the crap outta him in the postseason. Even if you take into account that it was strouds rookie season, Purdy had better completion percentage, QB rating, and the same yards per attempt as Stroud in his truncated rookie season and did so under FAR more challenging circumstances. This year they list alllll these weapons that the Texans have in "Watch out" like ads, the majority of which were all there last year. The coaching argument is null IMO cause Stroud is running the Shanahan offense called by an excellent OC. Literally ALLLLLLL the arguments they use to cite why Purdy isn't a stud, could easily be applied to Stroud, but aren't cause 1st round pick etc.
I also agree 100% on Nick Wrong and I refuse to participate. I have boycotted anything he's involved in since the early part of last season. If you aren't going to be honest and just get up there on TV/Internet and say bombastic s**t to generate income only then you're opinion is s**t and I'm not watching you spout it.
I also look at the way the media treats Lamar. He has a super bowl winning coach, one of the best front offices is football, a regular top 5 defense, a bunch of talent on offense, and yet he screws the pooch in the playoffs every time, yet somehow he is automatically viewed as top 5 by all pundits. Whereas, Purdy is a mid level game manager because he walked into a situation with a great coach and team. These idiots refuse to acknowledge that Purdy has elevated the team's offense to its best since Steve Young. I like Lamar, but I would not trade Purdy for him with the coach we have. Purdy played much better against the Chiefs in comparison to Lamar despite Lamar being at home and Purdy was on a neutral site. We have an apples to apples comparison and there's no argument about who played better. It's just interesting how the media gives Lamar a pass because of the narrative they have created about him. We all know why they hate Purdy - the baby faced assassin has and continues to embarrass coaches, GMs, scouts, ect. The great thing is Purdy has another year to prove these a-holes wrong.
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