QB Brock Purdy Thread

Upgrade the Oline.

Pick up Daniel Jones and lay him.

If he doesn't pan out and we don't resign him we get another compensatory pick.

Are the people in this thread just trolling or are they seriously this clueless?

Brock literally set a record for deep ball accuracy last year per PFF. He leads in air yards per attempt by a landslide, as well as air yards per completion, this year. He was 2nd last year.

Steve Young had a weaker arm than Brock. He got laughed at in the distance contests. Look them up on Youtube.

Joe Montana also had a weaker arm than Purdy.

Young didn't even have a top 10 arm ON THE 49ERS. No joke. There were several skill position guys with stronger arms than Young. Jerry Rice (who played QB in HS) and John Taylor both had stronger arms than Young. So did Deion Sanders (remember he played centerfield in baseball). So did Harry Sydney. So did Terry Kirby. Honestly, I think T.O. might have even had a stronger arm than Young.

Arm strength is utterly meaningless. You don't succeed on the basis of arm strength.

Also, the people talking about getting paid know absolutely nothing about the salary cap. You don't make "60 million" per year as a cap figure. You make it as an average with the signing bonus included prorated across the years of the contract.

Football also has huge inflation, meaning that Brock's contract will be league average eventually. For some reason the people whining about paying Brock never understand this.

Furthermore, how can you people still be so dense as to talk about other players after EVERY OTHER f**kING PLAYER ON THE TEAM HAS BEEN GETTING INJURED WITHIN 10 GAMES EVERY f**kING SEASON?

How do you idiots not realize that this is always going to happen? This happens to every team, by the way. It's not just the 49ers. It's from the PEDs they use. They get injuries guys never used to get. Notice that Colton McKivitz and Jake Brendal don't get hurt. That's because they're among the only players on the team not using modern PEDs. It affects their play, as you have noticed.

Furthermore, I am so sick of this "why didn't we invest in da oooo-liiiiiine?" Nonsense. If anything, we've invested far too much in it. Most of the hits on Brock have been from blitzes that we don't have enough guys to account for because of Kyle's horrendous scheme, not from the line. It's similar to how people think you can run the ball by getting "ooooo-liiiiine." No, you get running game from scheme. Also, nobody ever talks about the tight end or fullback in the equation…they are far more important to the running game as far as actual ability than the o-line.

Since Kyle has been here, he traded for Trent Williams, took Mike McGlinchey in the top 10, traded for Laken Tomlinson, took Aaron Banks and Dominic Puni in the 2nd round, and signed Weston Richburg.

This team's fans expect 5 HOF linemen in order to have a good line, and then they'd say they're all not playing well when Brock kept getting hit by free blitzes because Kyle doesn't build in actual hot reads or allow him to adjust the protections (no, you can't just deem somebody "hot" and have that count as a hot read…they're only hot if they're not f**king covered).

The only player the team should sign to a long-term contract is Brock Purdy. They should pay him whatever he wants, because the other players are IRRELEVANT. Football is a scheme game on both sides of the ball.

Oh wait, I WOULD pay a top kicker. That's the other exception.

I'm so sick of this nonsense about "supporting cast." QBs are NEVER carried by supporting cast. That literally never happens. There are some exceptions from other eras of football where Randy Moss certainly had a huge effect since you don't have to be accurate to use him, but nobody is Randy Moss

It's offensive system, a QB who runs the system well (which Brock did before whatever injuries he has had since the Vikings game, which is when I noticed his bad ball placement on those digs to Screenbo, who is also the worst route runner in the history of the game), and defensive system. Oh, and special teams, which Kyle doesn't care about.

The off-season plan is as follows:

Pay Brock whatever it takes.

Fire Kyle Shanahan and replace him with a better offensive mind, of which there are plenty.

I like the cover 3 scheme as the team has overachieved with it, but Kocurek needs to be fired, as he gets nothing out of the defensive line. They should look at short-term contracts for rushers.

Fire this special teams coordinator.

Look for a good kicker.

Cut Screenbo and provide cap relief by designating him June 1.

Don't re-sign Banks.

Back to offensive line: You couldn't even NAME most of the linemen on most Super Bowl winning teams. Center is the least important position of all. The typical center is a player drafted rounds 5 onward, or undrafted free agent, who knows the system and makes the calls up front. As actual linemen, they're usually mediocre. No, Jake Brendel is not a significant problem. Please tell me how great a center Ben Garland was on the 2019 49ers.

Sacks are on the QB and scheme. The QBs who don't get sacked a lot won't get sacked a lot no matter who you put in front of them. The QBs regularly getting sacked are the QBs who hold the ball too long and typically are guys who run around too much.

That's just something you have to deal with with Brock, but you had to deal with that with Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers too. No QB is perfect.

Brock in 2023 was the best QB in the NFL by a landslide. Literally no other QB was even close. That alone earns him whatever contract he wants.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Fanbase is turning on Purdy just like they did with Jimmy G

lol

you still believe in Jimmy?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's why i say it was like brees. brees had this with San Diego and they got cold feet around contract time he was injured.

Not exactly. The Chargers offered Brees a 5 year contract extension prior to him leaving for the Saints, and a key difference between our situation and the Chargers' was they had a top 5 pick at QB ready to take over.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by captveg:
He didn't. Like, statistically proven he was near the top of the league in yards/attempt.

His OL and WRs have been worse, and he's not as good against man as zone. Plus his last game at this point he was throwing with an injured arm.

He's still a solid young QB. If somehow he avoids getting assassinated by a crazy fan he'll be here for a good while.

And frankly, his next contract should be partially considered backpay. If he gets $50m/year I'm personally gonna consider $20m/year of that as backpay for 2021-2023.

Agree.

Also, if he manages to avoid? Lol that was a little strange to read.. it's not like he is political or a Beatle, he is the hometown, Kohl's kiosk guy lol.

Get this guy a good o-line please!!

49er fan base is so hateful and rabid these days I think some player/coach being physically assaulted is inevitable. There's always been fans that send death threats in the mail / over social media, but knowledge of players' personal information has never been so easy to obtain.

I'm not counting Pearsall being shot this summer.

Torn elbow.
Bum shoulder.

Already in a young 3 year career.

you guys want to pay this guy 60 million per on likely a 5 year contract.

not sure it's the right move

but if Brock forces our hand which he likely will, then there better be loop holes where we have an easy out in year 2 or 3.

other guys that have signed recently with monster contracts did not have that kind of injury history. Burrow sustained his after he signed the contract.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Are the people in this thread just trolling or are they seriously this clueless?

Brock literally set a record for deep ball accuracy last year per PFF. He leads in air yards per attempt by a landslide, as well as air yards per completion, this year. He was 2nd last year.

Steve Young had a weaker arm than Brock. He got laughed at in the distance contests. Look them up on Youtube.

Joe Montana also had a weaker arm than Purdy.

Young didn't even have a top 10 arm ON THE 49ERS. No joke. There were several skill position guys with stronger arms than Young. Jerry Rice (who played QB in HS) and John Taylor both had stronger arms than Young. So did Deion Sanders (remember he played centerfield in baseball). So did Harry Sydney. So did Terry Kirby. Honestly, I think T.O. might have even had a stronger arm than Young.

Arm strength is utterly meaningless. You don't succeed on the basis of arm strength.

Also, the people talking about getting paid know absolutely nothing about the salary cap. You don't make "60 million" per year as a cap figure. You make it as an average with the signing bonus included prorated across the years of the contract.

Football also has huge inflation, meaning that Brock's contract will be league average eventually. For some reason the people whining about paying Brock never understand this.

Furthermore, how can you people still be so dense as to talk about other players after EVERY OTHER f**kING PLAYER ON THE TEAM HAS BEEN GETTING INJURED WITHIN 10 GAMES EVERY f**kING SEASON?

How do you idiots not realize that this is always going to happen? This happens to every team, by the way. It's not just the 49ers. It's from the PEDs they use. They get injuries guys never used to get. Notice that Colton McKivitz and Jake Brendal don't get hurt. That's because they're among the only players on the team not using modern PEDs. It affects their play, as you have noticed.

Furthermore, I am so sick of this "why didn't we invest in da oooo-liiiiiine?" Nonsense. If anything, we've invested far too much in it. Most of the hits on Brock have been from blitzes that we don't have enough guys to account for because of Kyle's horrendous scheme, not from the line. It's similar to how people think you can run the ball by getting "ooooo-liiiiine." No, you get running game from scheme. Also, nobody ever talks about the tight end or fullback in the equation…they are far more important to the running game as far as actual ability than the o-line.

Since Kyle has been here, he traded for Trent Williams, took Mike McGlinchey in the top 10, traded for Laken Tomlinson, took Aaron Banks and Dominic Puni in the 2nd round, and signed Weston Richburg.

This team's fans expect 5 HOF linemen in order to have a good line, and then they'd say they're all not playing well when Brock kept getting hit by free blitzes because Kyle doesn't build in actual hot reads or allow him to adjust the protections (no, you can't just deem somebody "hot" and have that count as a hot read…they're only hot if they're not f**king covered).

The only player the team should sign to a long-term contract is Brock Purdy. They should pay him whatever he wants, because the other players are IRRELEVANT. Football is a scheme game on both sides of the ball.

Oh wait, I WOULD pay a top kicker. That's the other exception.

I'm so sick of this nonsense about "supporting cast." QBs are NEVER carried by supporting cast. That literally never happens. There are some exceptions from other eras of football where Randy Moss certainly had a huge effect since you don't have to be accurate to use him, but nobody is Randy Moss

It's offensive system, a QB who runs the system well (which Brock did before whatever injuries he has had since the Vikings game, which is when I noticed his bad ball placement on those digs to Screenbo, who is also the worst route runner in the history of the game), and defensive system. Oh, and special teams, which Kyle doesn't care about.

The off-season plan is as follows:

Pay Brock whatever it takes.

Fire Kyle Shanahan and replace him with a better offensive mind, of which there are plenty.

I like the cover 3 scheme as the team has overachieved with it, but Kocurek needs to be fired, as he gets nothing out of the defensive line. They should look at short-term contracts for rushers.

Fire this special teams coordinator.

Look for a good kicker.

Cut Screenbo and provide cap relief by designating him June 1.

Don't re-sign Banks.

Back to offensive line: You couldn't even NAME most of the linemen on most Super Bowl winning teams. Center is the least important position of all. The typical center is a player drafted rounds 5 onward, or undrafted free agent, who knows the system and makes the calls up front. As actual linemen, they're usually mediocre. No, Jake Brendel is not a significant problem. Please tell me how great a center Ben Garland was on the 2019 49ers.

Sacks are on the QB and scheme. The QBs who don't get sacked a lot won't get sacked a lot no matter who you put in front of them. The QBs regularly getting sacked are the QBs who hold the ball too long and typically are guys who run around too much.

That's just something you have to deal with with Brock, but you had to deal with that with Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers too. No QB is perfect.

Brock in 2023 was the best QB in the NFL by a landslide. Literally no other QB was even close. That alone earns him whatever contract he wants.

lol Hi Tankle

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Upgrade the Oline.

Pick up Daniel Jones and lay him.

If he doesn't pan out and we don't resign him we get another compensatory pick.

this one raised some eyebrows over here

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You think he's worth a quarter billion dollars?

Assuming Purdy signs a reasonable deal with opt-outs etc., should we keep him and then try to look for an upgrade? OR go about it the way the Lions have with Goff especially beefing up the trenches?

Originally posted by DrEll:
Torn elbow.
Bum shoulder.

Already in a young 3 year career.

you guys want to pay this guy 60 million per on likely a 5 year contract.

not sure it's the right move

but if Brock forces our hand which he likely will, then there better be loop holes where we have an easy out in year 2 or 3.

other guys that have signed recently with monster contracts did not have that kind of injury history. Burrow sustained his after he signed the contract.

Nearly every QB gets injured nearly ever year. Burrow, whom you mentioned, had 2 season ending injuries. Do you not pay him? Dak gets hurt all the time. Herbert gets hurt all the time. Tua gets hurt all the time.

Rodgers. Cousins just had a season ending injury in 2023. Darnold got injured in Carolina. DeShaun Watson is out for the season. Trevor Lawrence is injured. C.J. Stroud already missed a game last year.

That's modern football.

You pay the QB because it's the only position that really matters. The others, aside from kicker, are all interchangeable and you never pay them.

Also, every Kyle QB gets injured. Mullens had the same elbow injury as Brock. Trey couldn't play 2 games without getting injured. Jimmy got injured all the time. Kyle ran out of QBs with Josh Johnson getting injured.

Originally posted by ninerFate:
Assuming Purdy signs a reasonable deal with opt-outs etc., should we keep him and then try to look for an upgrade? OR go about it the way the Lions have with Goff especially beefing up the trenches?

There is no upgrade. Brock when he's not injured is the best QB in football by a landslide.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Are the people in this thread just trolling or are they seriously this clueless?

Brock literally set a record for deep ball accuracy last year per PFF. He leads in air yards per attempt by a landslide, as well as air yards per completion, this year. He was 2nd last year.

Steve Young had a weaker arm than Brock. He got laughed at in the distance contests. Look them up on Youtube.

Joe Montana also had a weaker arm than Purdy.

Young didn't even have a top 10 arm ON THE 49ERS. No joke. There were several skill position guys with stronger arms than Young. Jerry Rice (who played QB in HS) and John Taylor both had stronger arms than Young. So did Deion Sanders (remember he played centerfield in baseball). So did Harry Sydney. So did Terry Kirby. Honestly, I think T.O. might have even had a stronger arm than Young.

Arm strength is utterly meaningless. You don't succeed on the basis of arm strength.

Also, the people talking about getting paid know absolutely nothing about the salary cap. You don't make "60 million" per year as a cap figure. You make it as an average with the signing bonus included prorated across the years of the contract.

Football also has huge inflation, meaning that Brock's contract will be league average eventually. For some reason the people whining about paying Brock never understand this.

Furthermore, how can you people still be so dense as to talk about other players after EVERY OTHER f**kING PLAYER ON THE TEAM HAS BEEN GETTING INJURED WITHIN 10 GAMES EVERY f**kING SEASON?

How do you idiots not realize that this is always going to happen? This happens to every team, by the way. It's not just the 49ers. It's from the PEDs they use. They get injuries guys never used to get. Notice that Colton McKivitz and Jake Brendal don't get hurt. That's because they're among the only players on the team not using modern PEDs. It affects their play, as you have noticed.

Furthermore, I am so sick of this "why didn't we invest in da oooo-liiiiiine?" Nonsense. If anything, we've invested far too much in it. Most of the hits on Brock have been from blitzes that we don't have enough guys to account for because of Kyle's horrendous scheme, not from the line. It's similar to how people think you can run the ball by getting "ooooo-liiiiine." No, you get running game from scheme. Also, nobody ever talks about the tight end or fullback in the equation…they are far more important to the running game as far as actual ability than the o-line.

Since Kyle has been here, he traded for Trent Williams, took Mike McGlinchey in the top 10, traded for Laken Tomlinson, took Aaron Banks and Dominic Puni in the 2nd round, and signed Weston Richburg.

This team's fans expect 5 HOF linemen in order to have a good line, and then they'd say they're all not playing well when Brock kept getting hit by free blitzes because Kyle doesn't build in actual hot reads or allow him to adjust the protections (no, you can't just deem somebody "hot" and have that count as a hot read…they're only hot if they're not f**king covered).

The only player the team should sign to a long-term contract is Brock Purdy. They should pay him whatever he wants, because the other players are IRRELEVANT. Football is a scheme game on both sides of the ball.

Oh wait, I WOULD pay a top kicker. That's the other exception.

I'm so sick of this nonsense about "supporting cast." QBs are NEVER carried by supporting cast. That literally never happens. There are some exceptions from other eras of football where Randy Moss certainly had a huge effect since you don't have to be accurate to use him, but nobody is Randy Moss

It's offensive system, a QB who runs the system well (which Brock did before whatever injuries he has had since the Vikings game, which is when I noticed his bad ball placement on those digs to Screenbo, who is also the worst route runner in the history of the game), and defensive system. Oh, and special teams, which Kyle doesn't care about.

The off-season plan is as follows:

Pay Brock whatever it takes.

Fire Kyle Shanahan and replace him with a better offensive mind, of which there are plenty.

I like the cover 3 scheme as the team has overachieved with it, but Kocurek needs to be fired, as he gets nothing out of the defensive line. They should look at short-term contracts for rushers.

Fire this special teams coordinator.

Look for a good kicker.

Cut Screenbo and provide cap relief by designating him June 1.

Don't re-sign Banks.

Back to offensive line: You couldn't even NAME most of the linemen on most Super Bowl winning teams. Center is the least important position of all. The typical center is a player drafted rounds 5 onward, or undrafted free agent, who knows the system and makes the calls up front. As actual linemen, they're usually mediocre. No, Jake Brendel is not a significant problem. Please tell me how great a center Ben Garland was on the 2019 49ers.

Sacks are on the QB and scheme. The QBs who don't get sacked a lot won't get sacked a lot no matter who you put in front of them. The QBs regularly getting sacked are the QBs who hold the ball too long and typically are guys who run around too much.

That's just something you have to deal with with Brock, but you had to deal with that with Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers too. No QB is perfect.

Brock in 2023 was the best QB in the NFL by a landslide. Literally no other QB was even close. That alone earns him whatever contract he wants.

lol Hi Tankle

his arm isn't strong this season. he's throwing some real lollipops. rainbows. maybe it's jacked up. i don't know. you lost me at the his arm is stronger than steve stuff.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
his arm isn't strong this season. he's throwing some real lollipops. rainbows. maybe it's jacked up. i don't know. you lost me at the his arm is stronger than steve stuff.

Brock threw it 50 yards in the air against the Patriots when he underthrew Screenbo. Steve Young never threw that far in a game after 1987.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
There is no upgrade. Brock when he's not injured is the best QB in football by a landslide.

I thought you made a few pretty good points in your post. This is a pretty big blindspot if you believe this though.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
his arm isn't strong this season. he's throwing some real lollipops. rainbows. maybe it's jacked up. i don't know. you lost me at the his arm is stronger than steve stuff.

Brock threw it 50 yards in the air against the Patriots when he underthrew Screenbo. Steve Young never threw that far in a game after 1987.

Screenbo lol

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