QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
He was an MVP candidate the voters couldn't wait to get reasons not to vote for. I doubt it is just the media who thought he was overrated. Sure someone will pay him but it would probably be more a Baker Mayfield contract then a Patrick Mahomes one.

I think Purdy having been the last pick in the draft is a reason why people will always look to doubt him. If he can play as well as guys taken hundreds of picks before him then the whole system is f**ked.

It wasn't so much the last pick thing as it was the stacked offense and Kyle's offense. "His system can make anyone a good QB". "What would this team be without all that talent on offense."

I'm guessing like the 2019 team when healthy

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Jcool:
He was an MVP candidate the voters couldn't wait to get reasons not to vote for. I doubt it is just the media who thought he was overrated. Sure someone will pay him but it would probably be more a Baker Mayfield contract then a Patrick Mahomes one.

It will be much closer to Mahomes than Mayfield.

Trevor Lawrence, who has been only average since coming into the league, just got $55M/yr. That is where the negotiations will start with Purdy. If he gets a five year deal, $55m/yr will not be in the top 10 by the fifth year.

Trevor Lawrence was the #1 overall pick who had a Pro Bowl season. You weren't getting him for a discount. And i think a lot of people thought Jacksonville wasn't smart doing it.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Look at the Purdy pick. Look at Braqsdy. My point is there are good QBs that can be found in later ronds. Scouts can overlook some guys because they're on a bad team or they're stuck behind a big name player. That's what happened with Montana. He was always behind another QB at ND.

And look at how incredibly rare that is. Brady was the third or fourth pick that New England made in that 6th round. They had zero clue that he'd be as good as he turned out to be. Taking QB's late is always a lottery ticket. Maybe you'll get lucky, the vast majority of the time they amount to nothing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/

Purdy is an extreme outlier. Here are the past 26 years of 7th round QB's before he was chosen:

Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Flynn
Tim Rattay
Koy Detmer
Gus Frerotte

Casey Bramlet
Brandon Doughty
Glenn Foley
Cole McDonald
Ben DeNucci
Tommy Stevens
Zac Dysert
Alex McGough
Logan Woodside
D.J. Shockley
Tony Graziani
Chris Oladukon
Skyler Thompson
Chandler Harnish
James Kilian
Ken Dorsey
Brad Sorensen
Chad Kelly
Jeff Kelly
Matt Mauck
John Walsh
Moses Moreno
Jon Stark
Jarious Jackson
Kyle Wachholtz
Greg McElroy
Ronnie McAda
Gibran Hamdan
Sean Canfield
Chris Greisen
Seth Burford
John Navarre
Tony Corbin
Levi Brown
Wes Pate
Bradlee Van Pelt
Zac Robinson
Scott Covington
Jay Walker
Cody Pickett
Steve Matthews
Wally Richardson
Michael Bishop
Joe Hamilton
Tyler Thigpen
Alex Brink

BJ Coleman
BJ Daniels
BJ Symons

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by kyleburkle:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Now this is just crazy

I dunno jimmy won alot if games had multiple strong years his problem was injury

But injury is shanahan specialty

No, his problem was his quality. In particular: Noodle arm, no balls.

Sounds like our current QB.

right, no balls Purdy, sure...

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Look at the Purdy pick. Look at Brady. My point is there are good QBs that can be found in later ronds. Scouts can overlook some guys because they're on a bad team or they're stuck behind a big name player. That's what happened with Montana. He was always behind another QB at ND.

FWIW Montana is a ND legend. He was buried on the depth chart because he lost a year do to injury. But became the starter and lead ND to a National Title.

Originally posted by kyleburkle:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I'm wondering if moon is right. Did Kyle regress him? I feel like every qb under Kyle starts out well then regresses and looks lost over time. I don't know why iin just spit-balling.

Aalways thought he is checkdown awful

he is what?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This whole thread is bananas. Purdy is 24 years old. He's been playing out of his mind for much of his time as a starter. This season the entire roster had fallen down around him yet he's still among the top QBs in football in most advanced metrics.

Compare him to someone like CJ Stroud who a year ago was the next big thing but has struggled immensely this season. Bryce Young's career was over two months ago, now he's looking like a potential franchise QB again. Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold were moved from team to team and are now thriving while their original teams are trapped in QB limbo.

You don't give up on a promising young passer because they had a few down games. The team needs to commit to building around him rather than looking for some shiny new object.

after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

Originally posted by communist:
after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

WHAT?

His mental focus is his strongest point. Everyone on the team comments about his focus and mental toughness. His biggest problem is the five guys that squat in front of him on every play...along with injuries on the receiving core.

Originally posted by communist:
after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

This just sounds like a lot "he's supposed to be tearing things up even though the roster around him is falling apart."

That should be determined within the first 2-3 years

Also your numbers are completely arbitrary, based on that, neither Steve Young nor Drew Brees were franchise QB's.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by communist:
after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

WHAT?

His mental focus is his strongest point. Everyone on the team comments about his focus and mental toughness. His biggest problem is the five guys that squat in front of him on every play...along with injuries on the receiving core.

It's not all Brock, but he's also making it harder on himself by hesitating.

his time to throw was the highest in the league, haven't checked since GB but he's had time. A lot more time that the last two years. It's not all on the OL

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by communist:
after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

WHAT?

His mental focus is his strongest point. Everyone on the team comments about his focus and mental toughness. His biggest problem is the five guys that squat in front of him on every play...along with injuries on the receiving core.

Isn't that what all the naysayers said last year? If he didn't have the "Avengers" that he wouldn't be that good. We all got mad at Steven Ruiz (The Ringer) talking about its talent and scheme and not Purdy. And now its oh all the talent isn't there that is why he is struggling. I want my franchise QB to win no matter who is out there. That is why he gets the big bucks right?? IMO a franchise QB should be winning 10-11 games each year just based on his skill alone.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Look at the Purdy pick. Look at Brady. My point is there are good QBs that can be found in later ronds. Scouts can overlook some guys because they're on a bad team or they're stuck behind a big name player. That's what happened with Montana. He was always behind another QB at ND.

FWIW Montana is a ND legend. He was buried on the depth chart because he lost a year do to injury. But became the starter and lead ND to a National Title.

He was almost always behind someone. He said that on the documentary I watched. There was always a guy that was bigger or faster that the coach preferred. He was athrierd string QB until the thrid game odf his junior year. The Cotton Bowl game really cemeted that legend. He was actually considered a better basketball player when he was in high school.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Look at the Purdy pick. Look at Braqsdy. My point is there are good QBs that can be found in later ronds. Scouts can overlook some guys because they're on a bad team or they're stuck behind a big name player. That's what happened with Montana. He was always behind another QB at ND.

And look at how incredibly rare that is. Brady was the third or fourth pick that New England made in that 6th round. They had zero clue that he'd be as good as he turned out to be. Taking QB's late is always a lottery ticket. Maybe you'll get lucky, the vast majority of the time they amount to nothing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/

Purdy is an extreme outlier. Here are the past 26 years of 7th round QB's before he was chosen:

Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Flynn
Tim Rattay
Koy Detmer
Gus Frerotte

Casey Bramlet
Brandon Doughty
Glenn Foley
Cole McDonald
Ben DeNucci
Tommy Stevens
Zac Dysert
Alex McGough
Logan Woodside
D.J. Shockley
Tony Graziani
Chris Oladukon
Skyler Thompson
Chandler Harnish
James Kilian
Ken Dorsey
Brad Sorensen
Chad Kelly
Jeff Kelly
Matt Mauck
John Walsh
Moses Moreno
Jon Stark
Jarious Jackson
Kyle Wachholtz
Greg McElroy
Ronnie McAda
Gibran Hamdan
Sean Canfield
Chris Greisen
Seth Burford
John Navarre
Tony Corbin
Levi Brown
Wes Pate
Bradlee Van Pelt
Zac Robinson
Scott Covington
Jay Walker
Cody Pickett
Steve Matthews
Wally Richardson
Michael Bishop
Joe Hamilton
Tyler Thigpen
Alex Brink

BJ Coleman
BJ Daniels
BJ Symons

I know the odds are great but you could make a similar list of first round QBs that never panned out. Some were out and out busts.

God, there is a lot of garbage being talked about Purdy. Try listening to JonnyDel talking about him and supporting his opinion by breaking down various plays. Which is more than the naysayers could do, to support their opinions.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by communist:
after the first 3-4 games I would have second your post.
But now? No...to me, either a QB has got the potential to be a franchise qb or he does not. That should be determined within the first 2-3 years, not after 5-10. in despite of the first two years I don't see a franchise qb in him (anymore) , he doesn't have the mindset for that.

WHAT?

His mental focus is his strongest point. Everyone on the team comments about his focus and mental toughness. His biggest problem is the five guys that squat in front of him on every play...along with injuries on the receiving core.

Isn't that what all the naysayers said last year? If he didn't have the "Avengers" that he wouldn't be that good. We all got mad at Steven Ruiz (The Ringer) talking about its talent and scheme and not Purdy. And now its oh all the talent isn't there that is why he is struggling. I want my franchise QB to win no matter who is out there. That is why he gets the big bucks right?? IMO a franchise QB should be winning 10-11 games each year just based on his skill alone.

i don't think anyone questions he's a gamer, who walked in day 1 and was balling. the moment isn't too big. ppl question the arm talent, when Darnold and Love are clearly gripping and ripping with more on it. can he make those downfield throws and deep outs? i'm not a big arm strength guy but maybe watching brock is turning me into one. i don't want a predictable pass game where safeties sit on that intermediate in breaking route they know is coming. been seeing it for a while now.

we should pay him and get some wrs who actually get open. Jennings is not a pro #1 WR. and he doesn't really separate. he blocks his tail off and makes contested grabs. so no one on this team really runs away from coverage. that's why he does the hold the ball and run like a chicken routine. he's good at that, but that's not ideal football. it's a product of a broken offense.