QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Idk why so many are just blind that he's playing injured. It's been an issue with him since week 3. QBs don't just randomly lose arm strength.

1. His decision making has also been poor. Maybe because he has no confidence in his arm but if so

2. He seemingly can't stay healthy enough to be effective. Every QB has some degree of injury. Stafford has been extremely f**ked up, Geno, hurts, etc. They've all had moderate (at least) injuries.

Regardless, I don't really want or care about purdys excuses. Either we can depend on him or we can't. If he's going to turn into a mediocre QB with every bump & bruise he gets, we need to move on

That's a fair point. Stafford can afford to be dinged up, but his throwing arm even when not 100%, is still better than than a lot of QBs that are 100%. Purdy cant...

So going by your mindset, I understand. However, QB injuries are so much bad luck involved as well. If you have a good QB, you gotta roll that dice that it's not going be a common thing.

When Purdy is healthy, he plays like a top 5 QB.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
How can anyone see these type throws and say Purdy is mid and that we need to move on? He's having a down year by his standard but by no means is mid or scrub. How quickly our fan base turns on their promising young QB.

streets are missing brandon aiyuk ball rn pic.twitter.com/XDiJL3BHgx

— rav (@AiyukFor6ix) December 3, 2024

Idk why so many are just blind that he's playing injured. It's been an issue with him since week 3. QBs don't just randomly lose arm strength.

And that is what is worriesome. Questions of whether or not the surgery did the job or is the arm going to be an on going problem?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
That's a fair point. Stafford can afford to be dinged up, but his throwing arm even when not 100%, is still better than than a lot of QBs that are 100%. Purdy cant...

So going by your mindset, I understand. However, QB injuries are so much bad luck involved as well. If you have a good QB, you gotta roll that dice that it's not going be a common thing.

When Purdy is healthy, he plays like a top 5 QB.

When Purdy is healthy and playing well he is clearly a top 10 QB, but I very doubtful a top 5 one. No way you pick him over Mahommes, Lamar, Burrow, Allen and that's leaves the 5th spot which isn't clearly his as there is a group of QBs that contend for spots 5 thru 10 --- Hurts, Stafford, Love, Goff, Murray, Daniels, Tua, Darnold, Nix, Herbert, Stroud, and Mayfield.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Albert Breer on 49ers negotiating an extension with Brock Purdy: "If they want to take a hard line -and they could- they could use the availability of guys such as Sam Darnold and maybe even Kirk Cousins (if the Atlanta Falcons have an appetite for trading him) as leverage this… pic.twitter.com/uLyB8a6Cdl

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) December 3, 2024

this doesn't strike me as reality. everyone in the bldg loves brock. i am curious how minny handles Darnold. after all they drafted JJ. but we already made our bed with brock over sam. so if sam is a FA he isn't coming here. he would be expensive anyway.

I think he's just pointing out they aren't up against the wall…it's not just Brock at $200M or nothing. They loved Jimmy in the building all the same.

He more than likely gets paid a ton BUT they don't even have to pay him next yr (or the next).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
watch the football you were on here saying he was crushing it. 100% of ppl were.

some perspective:

With Garoppolo under center, the 49ers scored on 62 percent of their offensive drives, 11 percent more than the second-place Patriots.[57] For perspective, NFL teams scored on 35 percent of their drives in 2017, and the 49ers scored on just 29 percent of their 2017 drives without Garoppolo.

I recommend you to watch the film all the same…f**k ton of yolo balls that didn't get INTed (that time)….people like to remember what they want to remember.

What did Jimmy do under center in LV? Why didn't he elevate that roster? He's a system QB who's dead to rights when the play doesn't work to perfection. That isn't someone you tie your career too. Kyle made that man a lot of money.

Thank you Jimmy for making SF relevant again…also eat a dick for losing a SB and not allowing SF to focus on getting a legit QB or signing Brady.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
43-20 as QB1. guys get old and injured. watson is completely washed out and he looked like a star. watson is 29. guys don't just remain static their entire careers. they rise and fall. that's what makes the league interesting. but yeah go back 2017-2021 era jimmy was pretty darn good, particularly before the injury.

Andy Dalton won a ton of games in Cinci all the same. Nick foles won a SB and has stretches of very good QB play. Neither are regarded as good to very good QBs. I could argue Dalton is netter than Jimmy.

32 is NOT old at QB. He played like s**t last yr and there's a reason no one wanted him this off season. The proof is in the pudding.

defending a mid QB just to debate is silly.

Jimmy was propped up by Kyle and a stud team down the stretch. Massive amount of YAC on dump offs. Elite running game and elite D throughout that stretch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
43-20 as QB1. guys get old and injured. watson is completely washed out and he looked like a star. watson is 29. guys don't just remain static their entire careers. they rise and fall. that's what makes the league interesting. but yeah go back 2017-2021 era jimmy was pretty darn good, particularly before the injury.

Andy Dalton won a ton of games in Cinci all the same. Nick foles won a SB and has stretches of very good QB play. Neither are regarded as good to very good QBs. I could argue Dalton is netter than Jimmy.

32 is NOT old at QB. He played like s**t last yr and there's a reason no one wanted him this off season. The proof is in the pudding.

defending a mid QB just to debate is silly.

Jimmy was propped up by Kyle and a stud team down the stretch. Massive amount of YAC on dump offs. Elite running game and elite D throughout that stretch.

Andy Dalton was a 3x Pro Bowl QB and a top 100 player in 2016. You can make your point without changing history.

They don't have to pay him next year and they really don't need to give him a long-term deal after that.

I like what the Ravens did with Lamar. Place the non-restrictive franchise tag on him, let him go out and find his market value and the team has the first right of refusal.

The team has gotten into a big habit of somehow feeling forced to pay these guys like Aiyuk and Trent and CMC instead of dictating their terms.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
43-20 as QB1. guys get old and injured. watson is completely washed out and he looked like a star. watson is 29. guys don't just remain static their entire careers. they rise and fall. that's what makes the league interesting. but yeah go back 2017-2021 era jimmy was pretty darn good, particularly before the injury.

Jimmy was propped up by Kyle and a stud team down the stretch. Massive amount of YAC on dump offs. Elite running game and elite D throughout that stretch.

Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
43-20 as QB1. guys get old and injured. watson is completely washed out and he looked like a star. watson is 29. guys don't just remain static their entire careers. they rise and fall. that's what makes the league interesting. but yeah go back 2017-2021 era jimmy was pretty darn good, particularly before the injury.

Jimmy was propped up by Kyle and a stud team down the stretch. Massive amount of YAC on dump offs. Elite running game and elite D throughout that stretch.

Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer.

What's his record without Jimmy G now, smart guy?

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
43-20 as QB1. guys get old and injured. watson is completely washed out and he looked like a star. watson is 29. guys don't just remain static their entire careers. they rise and fall. that's what makes the league interesting. but yeah go back 2017-2021 era jimmy was pretty darn good, particularly before the injury.

Jimmy was propped up by Kyle and a stud team down the stretch. Massive amount of YAC on dump offs. Elite running game and elite D throughout that stretch.

Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer.

What's his record without Jimmy G now, smart guy?

.005% less than Jimmy(Jimmy .689 Brock .684). So Jimmy still had a better winning percentage. Well without Brock Shanny loses every game.... His record is even worse without both Jimmy and Brock. Dude is literally one of the worst coaches in the league without these guys. Jimmy has a 68%(NY historically hates winning but makes every excuse and all but celebrates losing) winning record with the 49ers. Kyle is now under 20% without Jimmy or Brock.

Jimmy is 3rd all time in winning percentage as a 49er QB.

And I want to make clear I'm just pointing out NY's blatant lie that Shanny made Jimmy. No... Shanny was absolute garbage 20% without Jimmy.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/189603-jimmy-garoppolo-los-angeles-rams/

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

Pretty much ridiculous argument.
Shanahan inherited a team that was 2-14 under his predecessor, and turned it around into a competing team within two seasons.
Of the 28 losses featured above 20 of them happened during that turnaround period.
Jimmy G improved the team a lot for sure. But Shanahan had only been in charge for 8 games in total when Garoppolo joined the team.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
How can anyone see these type throws and say Purdy is mid and that we need to move on? He's having a down year by his standard but by no means is mid or scrub. How quickly our fan base turns on their promising young QB.

streets are missing brandon aiyuk ball rn pic.twitter.com/XDiJL3BHgx

— rav (@AiyukFor6ix) December 3, 2024

Idk why so many are just blind that he's playing injured. It's been an issue with him since week 3. QBs don't just randomly lose arm strength.

He didn't have real arm strength to begin with. I mean football players are always playing hurt. Josh Allen played with a UCL injury a couple yrs ago. Mahomes played with high ankle sprains. Big Ben was always banged up and played etc etc.

im not s**tting on Brock, I think he's good and will get paid. I don't know if he's ever gonna be that elite level QB and when you're tossing out that kind of cash and commitment, that's when things get difficult as a franchise. This team isn't gonna get better once they pay him all that cash. They've gonna have to be wayyy more invested in the draft. Brock is gonna have elevate the players around him, not be dependent on if they can get him there…just how s**t rolls when you pay a QB a lot of cash.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
How can anyone see these type throws and say Purdy is mid and that we need to move on? He's having a down year by his standard but by no means is mid or scrub. How quickly our fan base turns on their promising young QB.

streets are missing brandon aiyuk ball rn pic.twitter.com/XDiJL3BHgx

— rav (@AiyukFor6ix) December 3, 2024

Idk why so many are just blind that he's playing injured. It's been an issue with him since week 3. QBs don't just randomly lose arm strength.

He didn't have real arm strength to begin with. I mean football players are always playing hurt. Josh Allen played with a UCL injury a couple yrs ago. Mahomes played with high ankle sprains. Big Ben was always banged up and played etc etc.

im not s**tting on Brock, I think he's good and will get paid. I don't know if he's ever gonna be that elite level QB and when you're tossing out that kind of cash and commitment, that's when things get difficult as a franchise. This team isn't gonna get better once they pay him all that cash. They've gonna have to be wayyy more invested in the draft. Brock is gonna have elevate the players around him, not be dependent on if they can get him there…just how s**t rolls when you pay a QB a lot of cash.

I disagree with most of everything you post, especially hating the CMC trade but I have to give you credit on not having complete double standards and at least holding the QB to the "somewhat" similar standards. I do think Brocks arm strength is perfectly fine as he can make most every throw out there. I give him the benefit of the doubt that his is having issues with his shoulder or elbow. Brock is not able to feather in throws between defenders anymore nor is he hitting the simple routes that we've seen him make. I'm guessing he's either injured or I know he was working on his arm strength in the offseason and messed up his throwing motion. He's not the same guy he was last year and I don't think it's because teams figured him out, it's because he can't throw the ball like he should be able to.

I also think that the playcalling has gone downhill. Things that used to work no longer work and the HC is far too stubborn to innovate.