QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

Da f**k you talking about, ran away? I don't read every single reply in here. Especially nonsense Jimmy ones.

So you're saying JG is better than mullens/Beathard/Hoyer? Because that's ALL that google search you posted in here proves.

Bravo Jimmy you're better than career back end backups. Wow. Maybe we can put a statue up for him 🤣

Next you're gonna tell me Jimmy was held back by Kyle lol….Anyone with a shred of objectivity, two eyes and a couple brain cells could see it was the other way around. Kyle made Jimmy serviceable. He got Jimmy paid and used him to the best of his abilities. Toss him in LV with his old coach and the best WR he's ever had and it was hospital balls and s**t play. Dude got benched for Farva on super troopers. Now he's looking at his sweet chin line and keeping clean as a backup somewhere.

Where's his W/Ls in LV? On that right it's football and it all matters. not just the HC or the QB. Derp.

Thought we were done with the Jimmy defenders? Dude stinks and him not starting anywhere proves it.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Purdy may have regressed a little bit in some areas, but he also progressed in some areas. I don't believe his accuracy or his progressions got worse. I believe the pass protection was a huge issue and of course, BA and many of our other weapons weren't consistently out there not to mention the offensive player of the year. However, he got much better with his mobility and not relying on yards after catch, taking deep shots, so that's a plus.

i rather he got the ball out quicker to get that YAC like he used to.. people want to say separation.. but did you see how he was still throwing to guys barely open the last two seasons.. he's just thinking too much and needs to let it rip

The whole let it rip part is great in theory and easy for people breaking down film to say it but it's a whole other thing for the QB to trust the guys who are out there.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Brock's QB rating was so much higher to Jennings in the Seattle game than the other guys(Kittle was out)

Really talking about regression if we're being real here the only players who you can't say clearly regressed from years prior are Kittle and Jennings. Both of them have been banged up this year and missed a handful of games...some of Brock's worst btw.

Aiyuk was clearly rusty but he was still affecting defenses with his presence. Once he went out and CMC wasn't back to being his dominant self from last year the guys we have to beat man/press are just not there yet. Kyle doesn't trust the rookies enough and Jennings/Kittle are not fast enough to get you big separation most of the time but Brock was still finding them for the most part and having good production going their way.

Even on the OL it's sad to say but arguably the only guy who hasn't regressed on the OL is Colton McKivitz and that's not saying much cuz he's still not very good. Puni is a rookie so there is no bar set to measure against. Trent hasn't been terrible of course but I'd say there is regression there(maybe partly due to missing camp) Banks and Brendel have regressed in a big way.

The fact is Kyle really has to learn from this season. Whether it's adjusting the personnel we have or changing things up scheme wise we simply can't go out there relying on CMC being the glue to everything. And improving the OL must be priority. In an offense where Kyle doesn't want to give the protection calls to the QB the Center is a critical piece of the offense and we have arguably the worst one in the league. Can't have that!

Which is why it's kind of crazy to me that people are putting all the regression on Purdy and saying "he's not worth X"

He didn't put this team together. He didn't keep guys who weren't performing in the lineup, that's on the 49ers front office/coaching staff. Now we want those same people to play the "Brock you regressed so we're not going to pay you right now" card?

Nvmd sorry to derail if you can't understand 20% is worse than 68% it's not worth it. Especially from a guy who hated the CMC trade. That's embarrassing to even give such terrible stances time. My bad.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What I don't like is our fan base turning on Purdy. Acting like he's some trash player. He's up some damn good tape and played way beyond his draft status and pay. We should be thankful for what he's brought to the organization instead of trashing him. That's Some f**ked up s**t.

You should have seen what is was like here on the webzone in the early 90's when factions naturally developed to support Montana or Young. It was total chaos and an all-out bloodbath.

I was on the original webzone before this version launched ....I am like 98% it was not around for Montana vs Young.... I joined here in 2004, I think the new forum launched that summer, and I was on the old one for a few years....I just don't think it was around in the early 90s.

The only forum that I know of that was 49er centric back then was the Contra-Costa news paper, when those two merged they had a forum....it was sharp too...lots of newspaper guys posted on there. There was a Dallas sports reporter that posted regularly and would go back and forth with the 49er beat reporters. I can't recall the coach that posted there...but one of the local college coaches posted there... San Jose? I think ....He was not a WCO guy...but he had lots of insights.

I joined in 2000-2001, don't remember exactly when but I remember talking about how badly I wanted Andre Carter to be our first round pick.

Certainly possible the site was around before I joined but I highly doubt it would've been in the early 90s days.

Actually...just checked and the original site was created in 1997 so 49erKing either smoking or trolling.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

lol this has to be a troll argument. You obviously got some bad Google AI information. Do your own research. Purdy started out 22-5 until this disaster of a season where everyone has gotten hurt and everything has gone wrong. No intelligent person who has watched the 49ers over the last 7 years would argue that the team is better with Jimmy Garoppolo.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Idk why so many are just blind that he's playing injured. It's been an issue with him since week 3. QBs don't just randomly lose arm strength.

1. His decision making has also been poor. Maybe because he has no confidence in his arm but if so

2. He seemingly can't stay healthy enough to be effective. Every QB has some degree of injury. Stafford has been extremely f**ked up, Geno, hurts, etc. They've all had moderate (at least) injuries.

Regardless, I don't really want or care about purdys excuses. Either we can depend on him or we can't. If he's going to turn into a mediocre QB with every bump & bruise he gets, we need to move on

That's a fair point. Stafford can afford to be dinged up, but his throwing arm even when not 100%, is still better than than a lot of QBs that are 100%. Purdy cant...

So going by your mindset, I understand. However, QB injuries are so much bad luck involved as well. If you have a good QB, you gotta roll that dice that it's not going be a common thing.

When Purdy is healthy, he plays like a top 5 QB.

Every injury is different so what exactly are we talking about here? Purdy played just fine when he had a rib injury vs Seattle as a rookie. When you have an injury to the throwing arm things will be a little different regardless of how much arm strength you have. But yes in a way there are levels to it - if the throwing arm is hurting the QB may pass up a throw down the field since there is more room for error there when the arm isn't all there. Maybe a guy with a bigger arm trusts his non 100% arm to make a throw that someone like Brock would decide to pass up.

But it's also stupid to simply say "When Brock is injured he's mediocre"

Brock's injury this year was the Seattle game and the Bills game. Only sample size we have.

No Kittle vs Seattle - throwing to Jennings Brock looked like an all pro. Throwing to the other guys he looked terrible. Why aren't we holding the other guys accountable for not doing their part? If Jennings can play well why isn't Deebo who is making WAY more money? Why is the interior playing like dog crap outside of the rookie?

No Kittle vs Buffalo - do we really need to judge this game?

And since we're on the topic when those QBs he mentioned - Stafford, Geno, Hurts were banged up or missing key players they were not playing up to their standards either so what exactly is the point?

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Nvmd sorry to derail if you can't understand 20% is worse than 68% it's not worth it. Especially from a guy who hated the CMC trade. That's embarrassing to even give such terrible stances time. My bad.

If you can't apply context to the situation, or refuse to talk about it THEN it just proves your take is dumb.

I said from a RB standpoint it wasn't some massive gain, as an overall player who catches balls, that's a massive plus. SF wasn't running the ball poorly before he came in. Look at this yr, they were running the ball FINE with Mason. No he's not as dynamic as CMC, but folks b***hed about our running game prior to the trade and they were fine there.

Jimmy was never some special QB. Him going elsewhere shows that. Cool he was better than career backups when here. That doesn't make him some great QB. It also shows how good of a coach Kyle is, not how bad he is (which you like to talk about)

Originally posted by genus49:
Every injury is different so what exactly are we talking about here? Purdy played just fine when he had a rib injury vs Seattle as a rookie. When you have an injury to the throwing arm things will be a little different regardless of how much arm strength you have. But yes in a way there are levels to it - if the throwing arm is hurting the QB may pass up a throw down the field since there is more room for error there when the arm isn't all there. Maybe a guy with a bigger arm trusts his non 100% arm to make a throw that someone like Brock would decide to pass up.

But it's also stupid to simply say "When Brock is injured he's mediocre"

Brock's injury this year was the Seattle game and the Bills game. Only sample size we have.

No Kittle vs Seattle - throwing to Jennings Brock looked like an all pro. Throwing to the other guys he looked terrible. Why aren't we holding the other guys accountable for not doing their part? If Jennings can play well why isn't Deebo who is making WAY more money? Why is the interior playing like dog crap outside of the rookie?

No Kittle vs Buffalo - do we really need to judge this game?

And since we're on the topic when those QBs he mentioned - Stafford, Geno, Hurts were banged up or missing key players they were not playing up to their standards either so what exactly is the point?

Kittle played against Buffalo.

Kittle said he had "no idea" why he was targeted two times and had just one catch in the 49ers' 35-10 loss to the Buffalo Bills at snowy Highmark Stadium.

"I do not have an explanation," Kittle said. "I think I ran six more routes the rest of the day."

He said it was not anything the Bills were doing to take him out of the game with their coverages.

"I felt open multiple times," Kittle said.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

lol this has to be a troll argument. You obviously got some bad Google AI information. Do your own research. Purdy started out 22-5 until this disaster of a season where everyone has gotten hurt and everything has gone wrong. No intelligent person who has watched the 49ers over the last 7 years would argue that the team is better with Jimmy Garoppolo.

Nobody said anything of the sort. The argument is that Kyle was/is flat out terrible, literally one of the worst coaches in the league before Jimmy. This is undebatable. Purdy is better than Jimmy but not by a lot, sorry but not sorry. That's not a hit on Purdy as I think Jimmy was a good sometimes great other times terrible QB. Thing is, guys like NY and JJJ give Brock every excuse in the book like injuries, which is 100% true, yet when Jimmy had a severe injury AND STILL WAS WINNING and these guys were angry and complained that he was faking it because he opened a bottle of water lol. Now it's 5-7 and they do not hold Purdy to the same terrible garbage arguments they used. If Jimmy was in Purdy's shoes this year he would be hated non-stop but they do not hold anyone to the same standards as they held the QB with the third best winning percentage in 49er history.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by genus49:
Every injury is different so what exactly are we talking about here? Purdy played just fine when he had a rib injury vs Seattle as a rookie. When you have an injury to the throwing arm things will be a little different regardless of how much arm strength you have. But yes in a way there are levels to it - if the throwing arm is hurting the QB may pass up a throw down the field since there is more room for error there when the arm isn't all there. Maybe a guy with a bigger arm trusts his non 100% arm to make a throw that someone like Brock would decide to pass up.

But it's also stupid to simply say "When Brock is injured he's mediocre"

Brock's injury this year was the Seattle game and the Bills game. Only sample size we have.

No Kittle vs Seattle - throwing to Jennings Brock looked like an all pro. Throwing to the other guys he looked terrible. Why aren't we holding the other guys accountable for not doing their part? If Jennings can play well why isn't Deebo who is making WAY more money? Why is the interior playing like dog crap outside of the rookie?

No Kittle vs Buffalo - do we really need to judge this game?

And since we're on the topic when those QBs he mentioned - Stafford, Geno, Hurts were banged up or missing key players they were not playing up to their standards either so what exactly is the point?

Kittle played against Buffalo.

Kittle said he had "no idea" why he was targeted two times and had just one catch in the 49ers' 35-10 loss to the Buffalo Bills at snowy Highmark Stadium.

"I do not have an explanation," Kittle said. "I think I ran six more routes the rest of the day."

He said it was not anything the Bills were doing to take him out of the game with their coverages.

"I felt open multiple times," Kittle said.

Yeah I don't know why I put no Kittle for buffalo part. I just wanted to say that game in general shouldn't be a great barometer for a QB.

Good question on why Kittle wasn't getting the ball more. Obviously he did drop the TE screen and the weather didn't lead to a pass heavy game plan but still felt like we just made it harder on ourselves than it had to be.

Originally posted by Niners99:
lol this has to be a troll argument. You obviously got some bad Google AI information. Do your own research. Purdy started out 22-5 until this disaster of a season where everyone has gotten hurt and everything has gone wrong. No intelligent person who has watched the 49ers over the last 7 years would argue that the team is better with Jimmy Garoppolo.

You have to remember though that Jimmy G. was tearing it up with CMC too before he got injured and gave way to Lance/Purdy.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by Niners99:
lol this has to be a troll argument. You obviously got some bad Google AI information. Do your own research. Purdy started out 22-5 until this disaster of a season where everyone has gotten hurt and everything has gone wrong. No intelligent person who has watched the 49ers over the last 7 years would argue that the team is better with Jimmy Garoppolo.

You have to remember though that Jimmy G. was tearing it up with CMC too before he got injured and gave way to Lance/Purdy.

Once again Brock is not Jimmy G. We need to stop reminiscing about Jimmy. He wasn't as bad as some claim but he lived by YAC. He would be absolutely brutal in this 49ers offense with what's going on outside the QB position.

Jimmy that year with CMC led the league in YAC per Completion with 7.0, 2nd closest was 6.6. He was 30th in Completed Air Yards per Completion with 4.9 and tied for 28th with 3.2.

Brock this year is 3rd in Completed Air Yards per Completion with 7.8(he was 2nd most of the season until these last few games and Jameis Winston jumped him) he's still 1st in Completed Air Yards per attempt with 5.1. He's tied for 25th in YAC with 4.9(and that's higher with the last few games)

Originally posted by genus49:
Once again Brock is not Jimmy G. We need to stop reminiscing about Jimmy. He wasn't as bad as some claim but he lived by YAC. He would be absolutely brutal in this 49ers offense with what's going on outside the QB position.

I am just pointing out that the offense was humming along very well with CMC and Jimmy. It is just an observation. And you dont think the offense as it stands now is "brutal" averaging 12 pts a game the past three? Lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol you ran away like you always do when I asked you this so I'll answer. You are flat out lying and making s**t up. Kyle literally has one of the worst records in the NFL without Jimmy. But you NEVER cared about winning. As you say in this very post YAC is not yards. YAC is pointless. The only think you ever cared about is Intended Air Yards and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. That's even why you brought up YAC like 60 yards YAC is different that 60 yards of intended air yards. Remember intended isn't even a catch. Shannahan was terrible until Jimmy G came and helped right the ship. Now is Jimmy the only reason? No but he's as big of a reason as any other player on the team. The win/loss proves that. This team was garbage like it is now until Jimmy.

Da f**k you talking about, ran away? I don't read every single reply in here. Especially nonsense Jimmy ones.

So you're saying JG is better than mullens/Beathard/Hoyer? Because that's ALL that google search you posted in here proves.

Bravo Jimmy you're better than career back end backups. Wow. Maybe we can put a statue up for him 🤣

Next you're gonna tell me Jimmy was held back by Kyle lol….Anyone with a shred of objectivity, two eyes and a couple brain cells could see it was the other way around. Kyle made Jimmy serviceable. He got Jimmy paid and used him to the best of his abilities. Toss him in LV with his old coach and the best WR he's ever had and it was hospital balls and s**t play. Dude got benched for Farva on super troopers. Now he's looking at his sweet chin line and keeping clean as a backup somewhere.

Where's his W/Ls in LV? On that right it's football and it all matters. not just the HC or the QB. Derp.

Thought we were done with the Jimmy defenders? Dude stinks and him not starting anywhere proves it.

Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullins were horrible NFL QB's. Because everyone likes to compare Kyle to Andy Reid, here's a look at who Andy Reid has had as his QB throughout his career:

1. Donovan MacNabb
2. Kevin Kolb
3. Michael Vick
4. Alex Smith
5. Patrick Mahomes

Compare that to Shanahan:

1. Jimmy G
2. Nick Mullens
3. CJ Beathard
4. Trey Lance
5. Brock Purdy
6. Hoyer

You know, sometimes having great timing is all you really need. Look at Harbaugh, he waits around in college until a team with a top 5 QB has a job opening then decides to return. Timing is everything.

Originally posted by genus49:
Once again Brock is not Jimmy G. We need to stop reminiscing about Jimmy. He wasn't as bad as some claim but he lived by YAC. He would be absolutely brutal in this 49ers offense with what's going on outside the QB position.

Jimmy that year with CMC led the league in YAC per Completion with 7.0, 2nd closest was 6.6. He was 30th in Completed Air Yards per Completion with 4.9 and tied for 28th with 3.2.

Brock this year is 3rd in Completed Air Yards per Completion with 7.8(he was 2nd most of the season until these last few games and Jameis Winston jumped him) he's still 1st in Completed Air Yards per attempt with 5.1. He's tied for 25th in YAC with 4.9(and that's higher with the last few games)

He didn't have a whole year with CMC it was 5 full games where he had a 110 passer rating with 9 TDs and 1 INT completing 70% of his passes.