QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Remember, Muck and faithful were by far his biggest cheerleaders on the planet. Most Jimmy fans at the time now openly admitted they were wrong, but never those two. They will always see Jimmy as a 1st ballot HOFer if Kyle didn't hold him back lol

we won at a 2-1 clip. he worked out well. nothing to be wrong about here. bottom line is you have to pay a QB is the reality. like we now have to pay brock. and brock isn't the best QB. i don't think anyone would argue he is mahomes. but the logic is we have to pay him and we will. you can watch.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no i just come off like the sane person who admits the reality. i'm not gonna say floyd is better than TJ Watt, cuz i'm a 49er fan. same here. reid is doing the QB picking a lot better, and throw in DC hires while you are at it.

Reid has had over 25yrs worth of drafting QBs. Kyle has had what 7? You can't toss out all the Kevin hogans and Kafka picks…while talking about CJ beathard and Lance.

If you can't use ALL the context, it makes your whole take subjective cherry picking. Like another poster stated, there's a f**k ton of luck and timing that makes s**t happen. Folks for whatever can't come to grips with that. Den doesn't take Lynch, he's in KC and there's no Mahomes. 9 other teams (and probably more because it was a trade up) had a chance at PM.

What so Saleh and Ryans don't exist? I'd say those are some damn good DCs, who just happened to get promoted. Spags isn't getting promoted and wants to be a HC again.

look no one is saying Kyle is better than Andy. I'm saying Kyle has been damn good in his own right and all folks have done is whine about it….at this pt it's pathetic and stale.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Remember, Muck and faithful were by far his biggest cheerleaders on the planet. Most Jimmy fans at the time now openly admitted they were wrong, but never those two. They will always see Jimmy as a 1st ballot HOFer if Kyle didn't hold him back lol

It's f**king laughable at this point. Honestly makes the rest of their takes mean less . If you can't admit you were wrong and have some humble pie…I care less about what you have to say. God knows I've admitted I've been wrong plenty.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no i just come off like the sane person who admits the reality. i'm not gonna say floyd is better than TJ Watt, cuz i'm a 49er fan. same here. reid is doing the QB picking a lot better, and throw in DC hires while you are at it.

Reid has had over 25yrs worth of drafting QBs. Kyle has had what 7? You can't toss out all the Kevin hogans and Kafka picks…while talking about CJ beathard and Lance.

If you can't use ALL the context, it makes your whole take subjective cherry picking. Like another poster stated, there's a f**k ton of luck and timing that makes s**t happen. Folks for whatever can't come to grips with that. Den doesn't take Lynch, he's in KC and there's no Mahomes. 9 other teams (and probably more because it was a trade up) had a chance at PM.

What so Saleh and Ryans don't exist? I'd say those are some damn good DCs, who just happened to get promoted. Spags isn't getting promoted and wants to be a HC again.

look no one is saying Kyle is better than Andy. I'm saying Kyle has been damn good in his own right and all folks have done is whine about it….at this pt it's pathetic and stale.

i don't think you'd even agree with yourself here, that kyle is good at picking QBs. you didn't like jimmy, you aren't a huge purdy fan. the guy you liked most was seemingly lance. and that was an awful move. so where exactly is kyle 'good in his own right' at choosing QBs. it's ok to say that kyle's had an up and down tenure picking QBs. it's 8 years into his build and we are building around mr irrelevant. jimmy and brock are the major QBs of the kyle SF era. that's not terrible, but it's not great either imo. it's nowhere near reid.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think you'd even agree with yourself here, that kyle is good at picking QBs. you didn't like jimmy, you aren't a huge purdy fan. the guy you liked most was seemingly lance. and that was an awful move. so where exactly is kyle 'good in his own right' at choosing QBs. it's ok to say that kyle's had an up and down tenure picking QBs. it's 8 years into his build and we are building around mr irrelevant. jimmy and brock are the major QBs of the kyle SF era. that's not terrible, but it's not great either imo. it's nowhere near reid.

Kyle hasn't been good at picking QBs IMO. That said, I'd argue he's taken one real stab at it.

He's really good at coaching QBs to success though, and that's been consistent throughout his career at every stop.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think you'd even agree with yourself here, that kyle is good at picking QBs. you didn't like jimmy, you aren't a huge purdy fan. the guy you liked most was seemingly lance. and that was an awful move. so where exactly is kyle 'good in his own right' at choosing QBs. it's ok to say that kyle's had an up and down tenure picking QBs. it's 8 years into his build and we are building around mr irrelevant. jimmy and brock are the major QBs of the kyle SF era. that's not terrible, but it's not great either imo. it's nowhere near reid.

Kyle hasn't been good at picking QBs IMO. That said, I'd argue he's taken one real stab at it.

He's really good at coaching QBs to success though, and that's been consistent throughout his career at every stop.

Other than that one time when they made that trde and moved up to take Lance, when did they have a rewal shot at drafting a QB. The best prospects are usually gone in the top 15 picks. Anyone after that probably has question marks.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think you'd even agree with yourself here, that kyle is good at picking QBs. you didn't like jimmy, you aren't a huge purdy fan. the guy you liked most was seemingly lance. and that was an awful move. so where exactly is kyle 'good in his own right' at choosing QBs. it's ok to say that kyle's had an up and down tenure picking QBs. it's 8 years into his build and we are building around mr irrelevant. jimmy and brock are the major QBs of the kyle SF era. that's not terrible, but it's not great either imo. it's nowhere near reid.

I think Kyle gets the most out of every QB he's had. I think Brock made Lance expendable.

I don't think Jimmy was some elite level high end trait QB….not in the slightest. I think Kyle used whatever he was "good" at and then put a team around him that didn't have to rely on Jimmy to be magical. I don't think Brock is a high end trait QB either. He does possess more than Jimmy, but he's not gonna take over a football game like other elite level guys, which is okay. He doesn't have to do that as long as the roster is good and Kyle is here.

as far as Andy and Kyle go…you're missing the whole point (again). Andy has been part of the Qb process as a HC for over 25 yrs. Yeah of course there's gonna be more hits when you get more chances. You've completely negated or pretended that he hasn't picked a handful of stinkers through out that time though…you complete dodge any idea that timing and luck play a part in it…I literally showed you an explain on how something out of his control dictated the outcome of Mahomes being there.

What this all comes back to is Jimmy, who isn't a good QB. He had good moments and a team that supported him. He's not special and never belong in any top 10 lists like some of ya'll keep running around and arguing for. He's a backup right now for a reason. He got benched after half a season for a reason….you yourself told everyone that he wasn't gonna get paid what Carr got FOR A REASON. He's not as good…and that's okay, it's f**king hard to be a really good QB for a long time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think Kyle gets the most out of every QB he's had. I think Brock made Lance expendable.

I don't think Jimmy was some elite level high end trait QB….not in the slightest. I think Kyle used whatever he was "good" at and then put a team around him that didn't have to rely on Jimmy to be magical. I don't think Brock is a high end trait QB either. He does possess more than Jimmy, but he's not gonna take over a football game like other elite level guys, which is okay. He doesn't have to do that as long as the roster is good and Kyle is here.

as far as Andy and Kyle go…you're missing the whole point (again). Andy has been part of the Qb process as a HC for over 25 yrs. Yeah of course there's gonna be more hits when you get more chances. You've completely negated or pretended that he hasn't picked a handful of stinkers through out that time though…you complete dodge any idea that timing and luck play a part in it…I literally showed you an explain on how something out of his control dictated the outcome of Mahomes being there.

What this all comes back to is Jimmy isn't a good QB. He had good moments and a team that supported him. He's not special and never belong in any top 10 lists like some of ya'll keep running around and arguing for. He's a backup right now for a reason. He got benched after half a season for a reason….you yourself told everyone that he wasn't gonna get paid what Carr got FOR A REASON. He's not as good…and that's okay, it's f**king hard to be a really good QB for a long time.

part of the reason lance was so bad, is kyle does get stuff out of QB. it was a QB friendly environment. so it's reasonable to think a Darnold would have had a revival here, like he's having now in reality somewhere else. so we paid insane cost, 3 ones, for a guy who was nonfunctional, when many freely available functional guys would have played good ball in the Shanny system. there was no one in our operation that put the brakes on that move. it was a disaster. brock came in functional and we saw the result.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
part of the reason lance was so bad, is kyle does get stuff out of QB. it was a QB friendly environment. so it's reasonable to think a Darnold would have had a revival here, like he's having now in reality somewhere else. so we paid insane cost, 3 ones, for a guy who was nonfunctional, when many freely available functional guys would have played good ball in the Shanny system. there was no one in our operation that put the brakes on that move. it was a disaster. brock came in functional and we saw the result.

I disagree. The Lance move was bad because of who Lance was as a prospect. The idea was correct: we want a top tier QB because it is pretty much a necessity to have one* to win the SB and win consistently in the league. Kyle can cover a player's warts only so far, and he also has is own which a truly great QB could help overcome.

Brock Purdy is only ordinary in the red zone.

That is what is holding him back the most.

We don't convert yardage to TDs via his arm.

Thats the biggest knock on Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we won at a 2-1 clip. he worked out well. nothing to be wrong about here. bottom line is you have to pay a QB is the reality. like we now have to pay brock. and brock isn't the best QB. i don't think anyone would argue he is mahomes. but the logic is we have to pay him and we will. you can watch.

I wouldn't argue he's Mahomes because he's far better than Mahomes. Do you people never watch Mahomes play or something? He is NOT good.

He is 2nd to last in both air yards per attempt and air yards per completion. His numbers suck. He's being carried by his defense and special teams. He would have no rings if not for blatant ref interference. He is not remotely impressive. He's never made a single impressive throw in any of his SB wins. He plays for the best play caller of the 21st century and never has to do anything but hit the ocean from a rowboat.

Alex Smith, who had 8 mediocre years here, was a 3 time Pro Bowler for Andy Reid, putting up better numbers with Reid in 2017 than Mahomes has put up since Tyreek Hill left. Smith went back to his mediocre self in Washington before his injury.

Take a look at Donovan McNabb's numbers with Andy Reid in 2009 and Kyle Shanahan in 2010. That tells you who the REAL offensive genius is.

McNabb would've been a bust without Reid. Andy Reid made people forget that Michael Vick can't throw in 2010. He won with Koy Detmer and A.J. Feeley. He won with Jeff Garcia. He nearly went 2-0 against 2 playoff teams with Matt Moore coming off coaching high school football in 2019.

If you were to swap Stat Paddy with Brock in last year's SB, the Chiefs would've won by 20.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Brock Purdy is only ordinary in the red zone.

That is what is holding him back the most.

We don't convert yardage to TDs via his arm.

Thats the biggest knock on Brock Purdy.

Arm strength has nothing to do with red zone success. Stat Paddy of the Chiefs gets most of his TDs off shovels and screens. Andy Reid schemes his "TD throws." Kyle does not do this.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

On plays with pressure, a look at their sack rate and how long a QB extends plays (sacks + throws+ runs included) pic.twitter.com/YnWT2fWm0c

— Jrfortgang (@throwthedamball) November 26, 2024

his ability to extend is like a kyler imo

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Brock Purdy is only ordinary in the red zone.

That is what is holding him back the most.

We don't convert yardage to TDs via his arm.

Thats the biggest knock on Brock Purdy.

Arm strength has nothing to do with red zone success. Stat Paddy of the Chiefs gets most of his TDs off shovels and screens. Andy Reid schemes his "TD throws." Kyle does not do this.

At some point it comes back to Brock Purdy.

Brock needs to find the open guy in the end zone.

That is his no 1 job.

And he isn't doing it.