QB Brock Purdy Thread

While I still don't know exactly what we have with Purdy, I'm pretty sure I know enough about Kyler. No thanks to that ewok.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Kyler Murray has had one winning season. 34-43-1 enough said.

Its not even the record. Stafford struggled with winning games in Detroit and he was always a good quarterback. Kyler Murray is a mixed bag. At times he flashes absolute brilliance and then too much of the time he just looks lost, unsure of what he wants to do, missing easy plays, not getting the ball out on time, clearly struggling to see the middle of the field. He's also been starting since 2019. I think he's far closer to being a finished product than Purdy is.

Look out Travis Kelce, you got competition from Brock. She wants the BP.

To be fair, Brock came into an extremely stacked 49ers team.....much more talented that the Cards. This year some of those stars were out for some games and Brock didn't look as good.....as expected. But he is not good enough to overcome that, at least not yet. Kyler is way more mobile, and has not had the same level of talent for comparable years, and has not had the benefit of Shanny scheming plays.

I'm not dumping on Purdy.....I want to sign him to a contract to see if he can become an elite QB. He has shown flashes, but not consistently. I'm just not in favor of paying him elite $ at this point. That said....none of our opinions will matter....up to the front office to come up with the magic number.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
While I still don't know exactly what we have with Purdy, I'm pretty sure I know enough about Kyler. No thanks to that ewok.

Ewok......

For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

Originally posted by tommyncal:
For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

Darnold will not be a 20-30m player after this season. At worse he'll be playing on tag @41 and change, but could be earning 55-65.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
now you are just lying to yourself

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah he is, Kyle Murray hasn't done s**t in the NFL. Tell me then what has he done?

If you asked me right now to pick Kyler or Brock as niners QB, all day I'm taking Kyler.

To be clear I don't think Kyler is some elite QB. But given the choice of the 2, choice is clear to me

You're the type of fan that if had a choice between Kyler and Brock you'd choose Kyler like you just did. Then b***h and complain about why they got rid of Brock Purdy.

So let me get this straight you'd choose a QB who's had more injury plagued seasons than winning seasons. Make sense.

Originally posted by tommyncal:
For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

You'd rather have Sam Darnold and a bunch of guys who are going to get injured every year and never be the same player after the injuries than Brock Purdy, who is potentially the best QB in football by a landslide when not injured?

Originally posted by tommyncal:
For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

I sadly agree with this

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

You'd rather have Sam Darnold and a bunch of guys who are going to get injured every year and never be the same player after the injuries than Brock Purdy, who is potentially the best QB in football by a landslide when not injured?

if you think purdy is that good the answer is undoubtedly no. I don't think he's that good… we haven't seen those wow moments like we do with Allen, mahomes, burrow or Lamar.

I think he's good. Maybe great. But I don't consider him anywhere near the level of the top 3-4 QBs

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
>>>Do you guys think this is paying for a consumer product or something?

Obviously they would be paying for "something".....how can you not see that? The "something" in this case is " a service"....specifically the service of playing at the starting QB position in the NFL. You pay for value, you don't pay whatever they want because they are starters.

>>>There is no "worth it" for a starting quarterback. If he's the guy, you pay him whatever.

Ah NO.....that is simply not correct. Take a basic business course if you really think that. The front office will evaluate his service and potential future service and other factors, and determine what is a fair price for that service ( i.e. value ). You seem to be suggesting that all starting QB's are equal....that they are either a starting QB and should get paid "whatever", or they are not a starting QB and shouldn't. Obviously there are different talent levels of starting QB;s. e.g, Montana and Mahomes were elite QB's....they should get paid as elite QB's. It's more complicated than bucket 1 is starting QB's and pay them whatever they want, or they are bucket 2 QB's and not starting QB's, so pay them almost nothing. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are some QB's who are worth bigger contracts than other starting QB's. Your inability to distinguish between elite versus good QB's is what I am disagreeing with, not whether of not you personally agree that Brock is worth $60M per year.

>>>I don't want Derek Carr at 60 million and I don't want Derek Carr at 20 million either. I wouldn't want Derek Carr for more than 2 million, because Carr is not a good starter. I wouldn't want Carr as a starting QB.

Okay, and you are entitled to that opinion. However, you have contradicted yourself. You mention that Carr is not a good starter......but he is a starting QB and you claimed that there is no "worth it" for starting QB's, you just pay them whatever. Now you are claiming that he is only worth $2M. You can't have it both ways.

Owners don't care about how much they're paying for players. This isn't you buying a new car, dude.

The only concern that matters in football is budgeting for the salary cap. If the cap were a billion dollars, teams would be spending a lot more than they are, and $60 million would be nothing for a QB.

You budget your salary cap based on the importance of the player, which is determined by the position he plays. If you have a QB who is the guy - generally, this is a top 8-12 QB - you pay them whatever portion of the salary cap the value of a QB who is THE guy would make.

If he's not the guy, you don't pay him at all to be the starter. You trade or cut him and get somebody who is THE guy, or at most, sign him to play for cheap as a backup, since you have a different, much smaller portion of the salary cap, you allocate to a backup QB.

Carr is only worth $2 million or so to me because I view him as a backup. If I viewed him as a starter - and a starter to me is only a top 8-12 QB, otherwise he's not worth signing to be a starter - then I'd value him at whatever the market value is for a top starting QB. I wouldn't care if he made more than a guy who ranked 4th instead of 8th. I wouldn't care if he were the highest paid in the league even if there were several guys better than him. What do I care if it's "fair?" That's not what matters to football management. What matters is their value to the team they're on.

It's not like you are going to be able to get any of the guys ahead of them for a lower price. Their teams aren't going to trade them.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
if you think purdy is that good the answer is undoubtedly no. I don't think he's that good… we haven't seen those wow moments like we do with Allen, mahomes, burrow or Lamar.

I think he's good. Maybe great. But I don't consider him anywhere near the level of the top 3-4 QBs

He outplayed everyone in 2023. Was threading needle after needle.

Stat Paddy, meanwhile, was 29th in air yards per attempt, and is now 32nd in air yards per attempt this season.

For most of 2023, Mahomes was literally further behind Brock Purdy in yards per attempt as Ryan Leaf was behind Steve Young in 1998. No joke, look it up. The Ravens game pulled Brock down to 9.6, but he was on track to have the highest figure since...I think Otto Graham back in the 40s.

Stat Paddy is carried by defense, special teams, Andy Reid's easy system, and the refs rigging it for him.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
if you think purdy is that good the answer is undoubtedly no. I don't think he's that good… we haven't seen those wow moments like we do with Allen, mahomes, burrow or Lamar.

I think he's good. Maybe great. But I don't consider him anywhere near the level of the top 3-4 QBs

He outplayed everyone in 2023. Was threading needle after needle.

Stat Paddy, meanwhile, was 29th in air yards per attempt, and is now 32nd in air yards per attempt this season.

For most of 2023, Mahomes was literally further behind Brock Purdy in yards per attempt as Ryan Leaf was behind Steve Young in 1998. No joke, look it up. The Ravens game pulled Brock down to 9.6, but he was on track to have the highest figure since...I think Otto Graham back in the 40s.

Stat Paddy is carried by defense, special teams, Andy Reid's easy system, and the refs rigging it for him.

Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Well, I also consider ref help and lackthereof.