QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Production means a hell of a lot more than "wow moments" or how flashy a player looks on some plays

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Owners don't care about how much they're paying for players. This isn't you buying a new car, dude.

The only concern that matters in football is budgeting for the salary cap. If the cap were a billion dollars, teams would be spending a lot more than they are, and $60 million would be nothing for a QB.

You budget your salary cap based on the importance of the player, which is determined by the position he plays. If you have a QB who is the guy - generally, this is a top 8-12 QB - you pay them whatever portion of the salary cap the value of a QB who is THE guy would make.

If he's not the guy, you don't pay him at all to be the starter. You trade or cut him and get somebody who is THE guy, or at most, sign him to play for cheap as a backup, since you have a different, much smaller portion of the salary cap, you allocate to a backup QB.

Carr is only worth $2 million or so to me because I view him as a backup. If I viewed him as a starter - and a starter to me is only a top 8-12 QB, otherwise he's not worth signing to be a starter - then I'd value him at whatever the market value is for a top starting QB. I wouldn't care if he made more than a guy who ranked 4th instead of 8th. I wouldn't care if he were the highest paid in the league even if there were several guys better than him. What do I care if it's "fair?" That's not what matters to football management. What matters is their value to the team they're on.

It's not like you are going to be able to get any of the guys ahead of them for a lower price. Their teams aren't going to trade them.

>>>Owners don't care about how much they're paying for players. This isn't you buying a new car, dude

Correct, this is nothing like me buying a car.....but what possible relevance does that have dude?
And while owners are bound by the Cap....they likely do care how much they are paying for players. For example, Jed York would care very much if Lynch paid 50% of the Cap to Bosa and 50% of the Cap to Purdy, because they could only sign two players. So they mostly let the front office allocate the contracts but some owners are likely very involved.......thinking Jerry Jones here.

>>>The only concern that matters in football is budgeting for the salary cap

Nope. The salary cap is definitely one of the concerns that matter in football though. Talent evaluation, contract construction, coaching, and many other things are a concern in football.

>>>If the cap were a billion dollars, teams would be spending a lot more than they are, and $60 million would be nothing for a QB.

Again....relevance??? There is a Cap, so not sure what you are writing this for....it is not relevant BECAUSE there IS a Cap.

>>>You budget your salary cap based on the importance of the player, which is determined by the position he plays. If you have a QB who is the guy - generally, this is a top 8-12 QB - you pay them whatever portion of the salary cap the value of a QB who is THE guy would make.

First off....you do not budget the salary cap.....it is pre-set. A budget is an estimate.....like you would budget your revenue and expenses for the upcoming period. The Cap is fixed....you don't budget it. I'm assuming what you meant was that you "manage" the Cap to ensure you don't exceed it.....and that is correct. But it is not entirely correct to allocate value just based on the position played, although that is for sure part of it. You would also allocate based on the specific individual playing that position. i.e. Mahomes should expect a higher contract that many other starting QB's if signing a deal in the same timeframe as he is more valuable.

I'm not sure what you are saying by "The guy". You originally wrote "If he's not the guy, you don't pay him at all to be the starter". Now you seem to be defining "The Guy" as the top 8 or 12 starting QB's in the league. So does that mean the remaining 20 to 24 teams who don't have "The Guy" should not get paid? Obviously they would be paid according to their value.....even if they are not "The Guy" according to you.
You then suggest paying "The Guy" whatever portion of the salary cap the value of a QB is who is one of these 8 to 12 guys. Okay, strange wording but I think you mean pay them the value of their worth? If so, then I agree.....but again the guy in the 12th spot is not necessarily having the same value as the guy in the #1 spot. But I don't agree that the other 20 to 24 starting QB's in the league should be paid almost nothing. They still have value, just not as much as the top elite QB's.

>>Carr is only worth $2 million or so to me...

I get it, you don't like Carr. That's fine.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Production means a hell of a lot more than "wow moments" or how flashy a player looks on some plays

I said stats. You said production. Let's at least stay in the same line of reasoning

Originally posted by tommyncal:
For me it's not about who BP is better than or worse than but how to allocate the salary cap. I would rather have a S Darnold type at $20-30M/yr than BP at $50-60M.

I would like a Pat Mahomes at $15 mil a year but that isn't happening either.

I posted this in the Purdy/Darnold thread but I'll put it here as well. It is insightful.
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A look at what non-rookie QBs around the league are getting this year should help with some of the guesses/calculations as to Purdy's value.

from low to high

- $10M/yr - Brissett, Tyrod Taylor, Mariota

10-20 - Minshew, Darnold (1-year prove-it deal)

20-30 - Geno Smith, yep, he's the only starter in that range

30-40 - Mayfield, Carr, Aaron Rodgers (did anyone think there were a lot more?)

40-50 - Stafford, Allen, Mahomes (all on restricted deals), Cousins, Watson, Murray, (the true comparison here would be with Cousins, Watson, and Murray. I would argue Purdy is better than any of those three.

50+ - Hurts, Jackson, Herbert, Goff, Tua, Lawrence, Love, Burrow, Dak,

So, for those arguing for a trade, who do you want from this list to replace him? Give your reasons.

If you want to extend him, what is the comp that you would use to justify the number ($$$)?

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Production means a hell of a lot more than "wow moments" or how flashy a player looks on some plays

I said stats. You said production. Let's at least stay in the same line of reasoning

Stats and production are interchangeable words to me. Your stats are your production

Either way if it were about wow plays and being flashy Aaron Rodgers would be considered better than Brady

Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Purdy/Darnold thread but I'll put it here as well. It is insightful.
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A look at what non-rookie QBs around the league are getting this year should help with some of the guesses/calculations as to Purdy's value.

from low to high

- $10M/yr - Brissett, Tyrod Taylor, Mariota

10-20 - Minshew, Darnold (1-year prove-it deal)

20-30 - Geno Smith, yep, he's the only starter in that range

30-40 - Mayfield, Carr, Aaron Rodgers (did anyone think there were a lot more?)

40-50 - Stafford, Allen, Mahomes (all on restricted deals), Cousins, Watson, Murray, (the true comparison here would be with Cousins, Watson, and Murray. I would argue Purdy is better than any of those three.

50+ - Hurts, Jackson, Herbert, Goff, Tua, Lawrence, Love, Burrow, Dak,

So, for those arguing for a trade, who do you want from this list to replace him? Give your reasons.

If you want to extend him, what is the comp that you would use to justify the number ($$$)?

I'd put him right at the Cousins range as far as talent and salary. I think their impact and consistency is pretty similar. 2nd tier guys that can slide into 1st tier depending on the day.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Production means a hell of a lot more than "wow moments" or how flashy a player looks on some plays

I said stats. You said production. Let's at least stay in the same line of reasoning

Stats and production are interchangeable words to me. Your stats are your production

Either way if it were about wow plays and being flashy Aaron Rodgers would be considered better than Brady

Not now. When younger yes. He's cancer now.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Stats and production are interchangeable words to me. Your stats are your production

Either way if it were about wow plays and being flashy Aaron Rodgers would be considered better than Brady

Aaron Rodgers certainly had the 'production', lol.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Yeah for sure if stats are what you're considering then you're right.

Grats on being right

Production means a hell of a lot more than "wow moments" or how flashy a player looks on some plays

I said stats. You said production. Let's at least stay in the same line of reasoning

Stats and production are interchangeable words to me. Your stats are your production

Either way if it were about wow plays and being flashy Aaron Rodgers would be considered better than Brady

Not now. When younger yes. He's cancer now.

He had more physical talent. There were QBs in Joes era with more physical talent. They play a position that isn't about being the most physically gifted. It's fun to watch guys like Allen, but what he does is not needed to move an offense and score

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Stats and production are interchangeable words to me. Your stats are your production

Either way if it were about wow plays and being flashy Aaron Rodgers would be considered better than Brady

Aaron Rodgers certainly had the 'production', lol.

Not where it counts for the goat convo

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Purdy/Darnold thread but I'll put it here as well. It is insightful.
_____________________________
A look at what non-rookie QBs around the league are getting this year should help with some of the guesses/calculations as to Purdy's value.

from low to high

- $10M/yr - Brissett, Tyrod Taylor, Mariota

10-20 - Minshew, Darnold (1-year prove-it deal)

20-30 - Geno Smith, yep, he's the only starter in that range

30-40 - Mayfield, Carr, Aaron Rodgers (did anyone think there were a lot more?)

40-50 - Stafford, Allen, Mahomes (all on restricted deals), Cousins, Watson, Murray, (the true comparison here would be with Cousins, Watson, and Murray. I would argue Purdy is better than any of those three.

50+ - Hurts, Jackson, Herbert, Goff, Tua, Lawrence, Love, Burrow, Dak,

So, for those arguing for a trade, who do you want from this list to replace him? Give your reasons.

If you want to extend him, what is the comp that you would use to justify the number ($$$)?

I'd put him right at the Cousins range as far as talent and salary. I think their impact and consistency is pretty similar. 2nd tier guys that can slide into 1st tier depending on the day.

Fair enough.

I put Purdy's mobility higher than Cousins'. I also believe Purdy has been a better leader than Cousins. However, we can agree that the negotiations should start at least at that level.

I went back and watched the game again from the other night after I had time to settle. Synopsis: Brock played a good game (i was wrong and excited on my first take) he took basically what the Rams D was giving, the missed PI's by the refs were the critical parts of the game to me. The throw to Juan that got picked, well Juan slowed down on the play (if you go back and watch you will see) not saying he would have scored but it may have not been an int. Other thing Deebo sucked a ss he was terrible.
Just go back and watch the game.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Not where it counts for the goat convo

Team accomplishments. Gotcha.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Purdy/Darnold thread but I'll put it here as well. It is insightful.
_____________________________
A look at what non-rookie QBs around the league are getting this year should help with some of the guesses/calculations as to Purdy's value.

from low to high

- $10M/yr - Brissett, Tyrod Taylor, Mariota

10-20 - Minshew, Darnold (1-year prove-it deal)

20-30 - Geno Smith, yep, he's the only starter in that range

30-40 - Mayfield, Carr, Aaron Rodgers (did anyone think there were a lot more?)

40-50 - Stafford, Allen, Mahomes (all on restricted deals), Cousins, Watson, Murray, (the true comparison here would be with Cousins, Watson, and Murray. I would argue Purdy is better than any of those three.

50+ - Hurts, Jackson, Herbert, Goff, Tua, Lawrence, Love, Burrow, Dak,

So, for those arguing for a trade, who do you want from this list to replace him? Give your reasons.

If you want to extend him, what is the comp that you would use to justify the number ($$$)?

I'd put him right at the Cousins range as far as talent and salary. I think their impact and consistency is pretty similar. 2nd tier guys that can slide into 1st tier depending on the day.

Fair enough.

I put Purdy's mobility higher than Cousins'. I also believe Purdy has been a better leader than Cousins. However, we can agree that the negotiations should start at least at that level.

That's not how the NFL works unfortunately.

When Kirk first signed with the Vikings he was near the top of QB, and again when re-signed a couple years later.

Comparing Brock to a fading Cousins and trying to justify us offering comparable money is going to get rejected before we can even offer him a pen.

There are 9 guys in that 50+ million bracket - and there's about to be a 10th.