QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You're about 6 years behind on salary averages buddy lol

I thought this salary was just about right these days for a decent backup?

$27.5 Million per year would be about 10% of next years projected cap. That would be about right for a top level QB but that's not what their getting now. They're getting 20-25% of the cap. Not sustainable over the long term. Sooner or later teams that over pay suffer the consequences. Look at the Cowboys. Now Jerry Jones has announced that things are going to be tight the next couple years.

The QB is ideally the most important player on the team but even the best is mediocre without a decent O line and some good receivers.

I wont argue that the market isnt dumb. But my guess is his agent will try to get as much as possible for him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i'm guessing he's doing a deebo joke. isn't that around what deebo got?

That's what Jimmy got back in 17-18 right? Never mind Deebo lol

jimmy got 5 years $137m he was #1 in pay.. now that seems like dirt cheap lol

We know how that turned out.

i think it turned out pretty well. we won a ton of games, including playoff games. d up a 3rd and 15 and we have a ring.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Since we are future tripping in regards to Purdy's deal, how about this possible outcome:

Kyle let's Purdy walk via free agency and then trades for his beloved Kirk Cousins? Would anyone see something like this being an option and if so what would Cousin's contract look like for our Cap minus the bonus?

that and a time machine and we would be all set up to win as many as 10 games

I hear you, and I'm not advocating for it.

I just know there's a love affair there and it would be cheaper.

2 things can be true. Brock is going to get his money and it's also going to be a mistake for the franchise. Only way for it to end up not being a mistake is if they literally nail the next 3 or 4 drafts. Its no longer going to be a luxury to hit on a couple picks here and there once Purdy starts making $60M a season. I think he's a solid QB but I also don't think he is on the same planet as Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc so don't expect him to carry this team year in and year out. Trouble is brewing in SF.

Originally posted by hubbyt:
2 things can be true. Brock is going to get his money and it's also going to be a mistake for the franchise. Only way for it to end up not being a mistake is if they literally nail the next 3 or 4 drafts. Its no longer going to be a luxury to hit on a couple picks here and there once Purdy starts making $60M a season. I think he's a solid QB but I also don't think he is on the same planet as Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc so don't expect him to carry this team year in and year out. Trouble is brewing in SF.

Find it hard to disagree with this.

The issue I have paying Brock, aside from his own deficiencies, is that this team is f**king clueless about OL. He can't consistently overcome bad OL and can't stay healthy because of a bad OL. When Brock gets a little injury apparently he turns mediocre.

I wish the team would commit $$ to fixing the OL but we already know their opinion on OL as they've literally told us

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
2 things can be true. Brock is going to get his money and it's also going to be a mistake for the franchise. Only way for it to end up not being a mistake is if they literally nail the next 3 or 4 drafts. Its no longer going to be a luxury to hit on a couple picks here and there once Purdy starts making $60M a season. I think he's a solid QB but I also don't think he is on the same planet as Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc so don't expect him to carry this team year in and year out. Trouble is brewing in SF.

Find it hard to disagree with this.

Back in the day Bill Walsh drafted guys for his system, there was a plan for the players he drafted.

It almost seems like we don't understand our systems, our systems keep changing, or we do not properly evaluate talent.

Look at the drafting of Solomon Thomas & J. Kinlaw, what was it about these two players that made them fit our system? What traits did they have that made them a lock for our D-Line?

Why was Beathard drafted in round 3 while Purdy was drafted dead last? Why didn't we value Purdy based on traits and system alignment prior to taking him dead last?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Back in the day Bill Walsh drafted guys for his system, there was a plan for the players he drafted.

It almost seems like we don't understand our systems, our systems keep changing, or we do not properly evaluate talent.

Look at the drafting of Solomon Thomas & J. Kinlaw, what was it about these two players that made them fit our system? What traits did they have that made them a lock for our D-Line?

Why was Beathard drafted in round 3 while Purdy was drafted dead last? Why didn't we value Purdy based on traits and system alignment prior to taking him dead last?

I think it's extremely difficult to evaluate the positive traits that Purdy has shown beyond his mobility. It's purely the mental side of the game. From a physical traits standpoint it's not surprising he was a 7th rounder. He is one of the least talented starters in the NFL IMO.

At other positions its hard to say. Generally I think we've done a good job with the roster in spite of the blatant first round misses. I still wish we had a traditional GM, but I have my doubts we ever will with Jed and Paraag in charge.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
2 things can be true. Brock is going to get his money and it's also going to be a mistake for the franchise. Only way for it to end up not being a mistake is if they literally nail the next 3 or 4 drafts. Its no longer going to be a luxury to hit on a couple picks here and there once Purdy starts making $60M a season. I think he's a solid QB but I also don't think he is on the same planet as Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc so don't expect him to carry this team year in and year out. Trouble is brewing in SF.

Find it hard to disagree with this.

I don't disagree with it either but time will tell because in one sense you can't compare where Purdy is NOW especially with where Mahomes and Allen are NOW. And I get it's tough because Purdy doesn't quite have the physical gifts of Mahomes or Allen, or probably even Burrow who actually also is not all world in physical gifts. There's a physical ceiling but he can still get better within his skill set. No I don't suspect he can carry us by himself but people still overrated those guys a TAD. Allen went through moments just last year in which he was probably the man reason the Bills lost. Mahomes hasn't been superhuman the last 2 years. He has been human with great coaching, defense, and maybe some superhuman moments here and there. And Burrow obviously isn't carrying much of anything this year.

It won't be a simple decision because it's almost always bigger than the quarterback on most every team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Reports indicate he expects to reset the market with his new deal. I'm not saying the team should do that… I don't think they should at all… but you have to find a way to get him to sign a lower deal or not hold out for the final year of his rookie deal. 3 years 75 million is a nonstarter.

Purdy himself has admitted to the world that he has failed this team which he has. Now he has to put actions behind his words and sign a cheaper contract.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
The issue I have paying Brock, aside from his own deficiencies, is that this team is f**king clueless about OL. He can't consistently overcome bad OL and can't stay healthy because of a bad OL. When Brock gets a little injury apparently he turns mediocre.

h the team would commit $$ to fixing the OL but we already know their opinion on OL as they've literally told usI wis

Originally posted by frenchmov:
The issue I have paying Brock, aside from his own deficiencies, is that this team is f**king clueless about OL. He can't consistently overcome bad OL and can't stay healthy because of a bad OL. When Brock gets a little injury apparently he turns mediocre.

I wish the team would commit $$ to fixing the OL but we already know their opinion on OL as they've literally told us

THIS x 60M.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Purdy himself has admitted to the world that he has failed this team which he has. Now he has to put actions behind his words and sign a cheaper contract.

if it was any cheaper he would be paying us

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
textbook case of how advanced stats and metrics can give wildly inaccurate results compared to the ol eye test.

Uh, Brock Purdy DESTROYS Stat Paddy in the eye test for anyone who has been watching football before 2018.

Stat Paddy's mechanics are ATROCIOUS, as are most QB mechanics these days. He plays like he's 5'11" rather than 6'3." Fans who just started watching football think that a shovel pass becomes amazeballz if the QB throws it behind his back. It doesn't. I can do the same thing.

There is literally nothing Stat Paddy has on Brock other than arm strength, which is the same thing Ryan Leaf had on Peyton Manning and Jim Druckenmiller had on Steve Young.

Oh, and he has the refs in his back pocket.

Stat Paddy is putting up Christian Ponder numbers this year, and people are still talking about him as though he's the Michael Jordan of football. It's sheer brain washing.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I don't disagree with it either but time will tell because in one sense you can't compare where Purdy is NOW especially with where Mahomes and Allen are NOW. And I get it's tough because Purdy doesn't quite have the physical gifts of Mahomes or Allen, or probably even Burrow who actually also is not all world in physical gifts. There's a physical ceiling but he can still get better within his skill set. No I don't suspect he can carry us by himself but people still overrated those guys a TAD. Allen went through moments just last year in which he was probably the man reason the Bills lost. Mahomes hasn't been superhuman the last 2 years. He has been human with great coaching, defense, and maybe some superhuman moments here and there. And Burrow obviously isn't carrying much of anything this year.

It won't be a simple decision because it's almost always bigger than the quarterback on most every team.

Mahomes? Physical gifts? Like what?

40 yard dash:

Mahomes: 4.80
Purdy: 4.84

Being able to throw the ball 75 yards into the middle of nowhere is not a gift. It's utterly meaningless. Stat Paddy is 32nd in the NFL in air yards per attempt and per completion, while Purdy is leading the NFL in both of those. Stat Paddy is averaging 10 yards per completion this year, and his numbers look like Christian Ponder's in 2012.

Does he mean he's a Football (soccer) expert? That would make more sense. I haven't heard such bad takes since I was a teen 20 years ago, and sadly I would watch Skip Bayless

Huge Brock supporter, but that rams game was one of the most pathetic performances I've seen. I don't understand the short deep shots over and over. It was so bad it almost has me turning on him. Terrible qb play and terrible play calling if you know he can't hit those shots.