QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

this ^^^ x1000

With so many other needs, the matter of trying to find a replacement that we can afford that will match his performance is not in the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

I mean he simply doesn't have the plus arm you want for your franchise guy. We can stop debating that…it's simply the truth. The bad weather games are a problem. That doesn't mean he can't be successful, we saw it last yr…you don't need a cannon to complete downfield passes.

I keep saying his special traits are processing and anticipation. That has to be his special skill set because he doesn't possess some of those other top end traits. That's fine there's been plenty of successful QBs that didn't have those elite tangible traits. For whatever reason he's taken a step back with the stuff he's been really good at. I also feel like his mechanics have gotten sloppy at time and lead to some bad balls.

No one should be saying let's dump him, but we can have an honest debate about him. I think it's more about how much do you pay him and how long to you ride it out with him (and don't have a legit backup in place). For me I would feel way more comfortable giving him a Baker type deal and going from there. IMO one really good year of football doesn't equal highest paid player in football.

Let's learn from our mistakes (Jimmy) when it comes to contracts and being able to move off or add someone that could help the team even more at QB down the road.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

My thoughts are along the lines of this post. I think the bolded deserves more consideration than it has received. The entire team has been flat since before week 1. They never really had the energy, the juice, they displayed in the previous seasons. Purdy didn't cause that.

Last year, the Eagles suffered a similar fall-apart season. Superbowl failure and injuries derailed their season. I think the same kind of thing happened to our 49ers this year. Tough to use that for individual evaluation.

How many of the other top 5 QBs have Olines as bad as ours? You can't count Trent in full time because he's been gone get stretches. Same for Banks.

We have backups at LT, LG
Center needs replacement badly
Puni is the only positive
RT is a backup player/joirneyman at best.

Also first 3RBs out, #1 WR out, #2 Deebo huge drop off.

Brock's consistent help has been Kittle and Juwan and both have missed time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by justjim77:
We won with Jimmy. Brock isn't that much better this year and seems to be regressing. Never pay top dollar to a QB that can't lead without the avengers. Brock can't lead like that. Move on before you pay

move on to what? give a name

Again, this is vs paying him top dollar

sam D at 30 mill
rookie

There's 2 much better options than paying him top dollar

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is no kinda about it. Its absolutely easier to teach a QB to start looking for a checkdown than it is to teach a QB to start throwing downfield.

Again kinda disagree. Gunslingers are gunslingers. For every Mahomes, there's 10 Winstons lol. Like I said he's been doing this since college, playing hero ball and he doesn't have that skill set to be consistent with it.

I think if you're a checkdown type of guy, you're doing it because you can't physically throw the ball where it needs to be downfield. If you're a gunslinger that's just who you are all the same. Theres are exceptions, hopefully Brock will be that. I think he can

I don't think we really know what we have for sure right now.. Darnold lost his LT earlier this year and still is putting up huge numbers.

Yes, there's been games where we've been missing some guys, but if you actually watch the games, the lack of those guys has had nothing to do with the terrible decisions Brock has made in scoring position.

Throwing to double and triple covered players and ignoring wide open ones is not the fault of the supporting cast.

I've been a mega supporter, but at some point enough is enough. There's no excuse for him to be doing some of the stuff he's done this year. The constant turnovers in scoring position are ridiculous. How many times do you have to take points off the point before you f---ing learn to stop doing that crap?

He's made everything so insanely hard on himself, it's maddening. His job is simple. See open guy, get him the ball. If not, scramble or kill the play til the next down.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think we really know what we have for sure right now.. Darnold lost his LT earlier this year and still is putting up huge numbers.

Yes, there's been games where we've been missing some guys, but if you actually watch the games, the lack of those guys has had nothing to do with the terrible decisions Brock has made in scoring position.

Throwing to double and triple covered players and ignoring wide open ones is not the fault of the supporting cast.

I've been a mega supporter, but at some point enough is enough. There's no excuse for him to be doing some of the stuff he's done this year. The constant turnovers in scoring position are ridiculous. How many times do you have to take points off the point before you f---ing learn to stop doing that crap?

He's made everything so insanely hard on himself, it's maddening. His job is simple. See open guy, get him the ball. If not, scramble or kill the play til the next down.

Whole team sucks this year. Top to bottom. Can't judge one player in isolation when that is the case.

Originally posted by justjim77:
Again, this is vs paying him top dollar

sam D at 30 mill
rookie

There's 2 much better options than paying him top dollar

ppl get this setup wrong. sam is in the mvp race with a rocket arm and he's cheap? the math ain't mathing. sam will get paid by someone. not us, we let him walk. we already picked brock over him. moving on..

Originally posted by mitpdub:
How many of the other top 5 QBs have Olines as bad as ours? You can't count Trent in full time because he's been gone get stretches. Same for Banks.

We have backups at LT, LG
Center needs replacement badly
Puni is the only positive
RT is a backup player/joirneyman at best.

Also first 3RBs out, #1 WR out, #2 Deebo huge drop off.

Brock's consistent help has been Kittle and Juwan and both have missed time.

The OL overall isn't as bad as people keep complaining about. Yes it needs some talent put into it but….

Brock Purdy currently has the 11th lowest pressure %, he's right next to Lamar and love. Hurts and Goff are both higher among a whole s**t load of good QBs.

Mahomes leads the league in pressures. Goff, Lamar, hurts, Herbert, burrow, Stafford, CJ have all been pressured more than him this yr.

all that said he's 3rd overall in time to throw. Dude isn't seeing the field well this yr.

also who are Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Jackson throwing the ball to? They don't have elite pass catchers and I'd said none of them have stud RBs besides Baltimore.

just no real options except pay brock. unless the team wants to 'get nuts' and i don't see that from john or kyle.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
just no real options except pay brock. unless the team wants to 'get nuts' and i don't see that from john or kyle.

Agreed

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Whole team sucks this year. Top to bottom. Can't judge one player in isolation when that is the case.

Can't pay him elite money either…if he's only gonna be good if surrounded by elite talent

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
just no real options except pay brock. unless the team wants to 'get nuts' and i don't see that from john or kyle.

I mean don't pay him right now then. He's not a FA. He's still got a yr left of his rookie deal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Whole team sucks this year. Top to bottom. Can't judge one player in isolation when that is the case.

Can't pay him elite money either…if he's only gonna be good if surrounded by elite talent

I just hope we don't make the same mistake we did with Jimmy.