QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A few things:

1) You say he has taken a step back "for whatever reason." You dont think that any or all of the 5 things I listed could be that reason? I do. And I think all 5 of them are true (with the exception of my belief about his shoulder. Thats obviously unconfirmed).

2) We can have an honest debate about him, but I believe that most posters who are against paying him are the ones not being honest. They are claiming things that can be explained with context and ignoring 2022 and 2023.

3) I dont believe the Jimmy situation has relevance to this. Brock played at an elite level for 1.5 seasons, and Jimmy played 5 total games (not at an elite level) before we extended him.

I'm not saying that the loss of players doesn't affect Brock. Sure as s**t does.

Look at the film though. He's missing reads, his mechanics are not good, which leads to inaccuracy. Guys are open and he's not seeing it like he was. It's not just everyone else and not him.

if his arm was f**ked, then sit him. Especially if the plan is to pay him. They're not playing for anything now. I don't think anyone is playing healthy at this pt in the season either.

I'm not saying don't pay him. I'm saying he SHOULD NOT be getting a quarter of a billion dollars. He's more Mayfield as far as pay scale goes imo. If he's doesn't want that, then play out your deal and show everyone you should be making that stupid money.

No we shouldn't ignore a couple games in 22 and last yr…you can't ignore this yr either…if he needs to have all the elite talent to be that dude, well that needs to be brought into the discussion with his money.

They jumped the gun and paid Jimmy stupid money (at the time). They don't have to do that with Brock either. He's not a FA.

im not out on Brock.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

THIS. All those are factors plus our offensive line can't pass protect worth s**t. Why do people think that Brock has so many rushing yards this year and bails out of the pocket? I mean come on use common sense people. He upped his game as a running quarterback like he wanted to, and he also was doing very well the first few weeks of the year (some of the throws he was making were excellent without the help of YAC or anything else). If people wanna say he regressed that's fine but he is still easily a top 10 quarterback. I don't hear people ripping on CJ Stroud and he's had a down year as well.

Purdy is better than Lawrence by a mile, better than Dak, Love, Goff, so he should get paid in the mid 50's.

I guess with all of the injuries and inconsistencies on offense, it's amazing that Purdy has set the all-time record, that's right you heard it for passer rating above 120 & 130 in his first three seasons AND he didn't even play a full season his first year.

He has his limitations, but he also has intangibles that a lot of top 10 quarterbacks don't come close to him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I don't think we really know what we have for sure right now.. Darnold lost his LT earlier this year and still is putting up huge numbers.

Yes, there's been games where we've been missing some guys, but if you actually watch the games, the lack of those guys has had nothing to do with the terrible decisions Brock has made in scoring position.

Throwing to double and triple covered players and ignoring wide open ones is not the fault of the supporting cast.

I've been a mega supporter, but at some point enough is enough. There's no excuse for him to be doing some of the stuff he's done this year. The constant turnovers in scoring position are ridiculous. How many times do you have to take points off the point before you f---ing learn to stop doing that crap?

He's made everything so insanely hard on himself, it's maddening. His job is simple. See open guy, get him the ball. If not, scramble or kill the play til the next down.

Sam has a the 4th highest pressures and 8th highest pressure % as well.

I'm in the same boat. Last yr it was total praise for Brock and rightfully so. This year this team as a whole as been bad BUT he hasn't picked up the team at all…he's been part of the team playing poorly.

Objectively we shouldn't be done with him. He's are starter. I do think there's a discussion to be had with the film he's putting out there.

If I'm Lynch, I play hard ball. Purdy hasn't earned a top of the market deal, period. I'm sorry he just hasn't. 1.5 years of good play and 1 year of mostly mediocre with a few absolutely horrific games sprinkled in, is not deserving of that type of money.

We don't know for sure that he's a franchise guy. We should learn from our mistake with Jimmy. Jimmy turned a total loser in a winner and he was actually better in close games. Brock simply sustained what we had the past couple years, but when more got put on him, he crumbled in the spotlight.

I love Brock as a person and leader. He's a great scrambler and he scorches zone. But he is physically limited as a thrower, has a bad propensity for WTF throws, not seeing the whole field, being greedy, and is statistically the worst the NFL against man coverage. When teams figure you out, if you can't adjust -- and he's shown so far he can't -- then it tells me you unfortunately aren't the guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The OL overall isn't as bad as people keep complaining about. Yes it needs some talent put into it but….

Overall is not terrible but the lack of protection at the front of the pocket is terrible. Brendell is the lowest rated Center in the league in Pass Protection. The result has been Purdy not being able to step into throws or being forced to move laterally to stay alive.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The OL overall isn't as bad as people keep complaining about. Yes it needs some talent put into it but….

Overall is not terrible but the lack of protection at the front of the pocket is terrible. Brendell is the lowest rated Center in the league in Pass Protection. The result has been Purdy not being able to step into throws or being forced to move laterally to stay alive.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel.

Exactly DJ. Some people ignore the obvious to make their arguments and they're wrong plain and simple. Our center has destroyed three or four games just by himself alone.

How come other QBs get a pass when they are complimented with great players and BP doesn't. You think Sam Darnold, Matt Stanford or Joe Burroughs would be better than Brock with the same issues, such as, fourth string RB, no true number one receiver, broken o-line? I do agree that Brock has made some poor decisions but I also think his arm is injured more than we actually are being told and his supporting cast except for George and JJ is below average. Oh and the defense and ST blows too but that's another rant but adds to the equation.

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
How come other QBs get a pass when they are complimented with great players and BP doesn't. You think Sam Darnold, Matt Stanford or Joe Burroughs would be better than Brock with the same issues, such as, fourth string RB, no true number one receiver, broken o-line? I do agree that Brock has made some poor decisions but I also think his arm is injured more than we actually are being told and his supporting cast except for George and JJ is below average. Oh and the defense and ST blows too but that's another rant but adds to the equation.

this would be a huge team violation

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think we really know what we have for sure right now.. Darnold lost his LT earlier this year and still is putting up huge numbers.

Yes, there's been games where we've been missing some guys, but if you actually watch the games, the lack of those guys has had nothing to do with the terrible decisions Brock has made in scoring position.

Throwing to double and triple covered players and ignoring wide open ones is not the fault of the supporting cast.

I've been a mega supporter, but at some point enough is enough. There's no excuse for him to be doing some of the stuff he's done this year. The constant turnovers in scoring position are ridiculous. How many times do you have to take points off the point before you f---ing learn to stop doing that crap?

He's made everything so insanely hard on himself, it's maddening. His job is simple. See open guy, get him the ball. If not, scramble or kill the play til the next down.

Sam has a the 4th highest pressures and 8th highest pressure % as well.

I'm in the same boat. Last yr it was total praise for Brock and rightfully so. This year this team as a whole as been bad BUT he hasn't picked up the team at all…he's been part of the team playing poorly.

Objectively we shouldn't be done with him. He's are starter. I do think there's a discussion to be had with the film he's putting out there.

If I'm Lynch, I play hard ball. Purdy hasn't earned a top of the market deal, period. I'm sorry he just hasn't. 1.5 years of good play and 1 year of mostly mediocre with a few absolutely horrific games sprinkled in, is not deserving of that type of money.

We don't know for sure that he's a franchise guy. We should learn from our mistake with Jimmy. Jimmy turned a total loser in a winner and he was actually better in close games. Brock simply sustained what we had the past couple years, but when more got put on him, he crumbled in the spotlight.

I love Brock as a person and leader. He's a great scrambler and he scorches zone. But he is physically limited as a thrower, has a bad propensity for WTF throws, not seeing the whole field, being greedy, and is statistically the worst the NFL against man coverage. When teams figure you out, if you can't adjust -- and he's shown so far he can't -- then it tells me you unfortunately aren't the guy.

OTC gonna disagree with you here. You say Brock hasn't earned a top of the market deal? Who really has though, Jordan Love was paid after one good year. Trevor Lawrence has really done s**t in the NFL. Don't tell me Tua hasn't earned earned his contract either. Sam Darnold is about to be paid pretty damn good but for what, this past year?

If anyone has earned anything, it's Brock Purdy. People are down on him because of this bad year that really hasn't been all that bad.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If I'm Lynch, I play hard ball. Purdy hasn't earned a top of the market deal, period. I'm sorry he just hasn't. 1.5 years of good play and 1 year of mostly mediocre with a few absolutely horrific games sprinkled in, is not deserving of that type of money.

We don't know for sure that he's a franchise guy. We should learn from our mistake with Jimmy. Jimmy turned a total loser in a winner and he was actually better in close games. Brock simply sustained what we had the past couple years, but when more got put on him, he crumbled in the spotlight.

I love Brock as a person and leader. He's a great scrambler and he scorches zone. But he is physically limited as a thrower, has a bad propensity for WTF throws, not seeing the whole field, being greedy, and is statistically the worst the NFL against man coverage. When teams figure you out, if you can't adjust -- and he's shown so far he can't -- then it tells me you unfortunately aren't the guy.

First off, playing hardball isn't going to get you anywhere. Purdy got MVP votes last year, and until this disaster of a 2024 season for the ENTIRE team, he had been fantastic. If we don't pay him market value, someone else will. Period.

Maybe we don't know for sure if hes a franchise guy, but the QB position demands a certain price point, so few teams have the luxury of knowing their guy is a superstar when they hand out that first deal. You either pay a guy top of the market with some risk, or you let him leave and end up having to sign Gardner Minshew.

Brock's arm strength is not a limitation. He led the league in comp. % on balls thrown over 20 yards last year. People expect every franchise QB to be able to go 60 yards with accuracy, when in reality almost no one actually can. Brock sees the field well, and throws with anticipation. He goes through progressions and processes things faster than most guys.

The OL has been really bad this year. He is constantly under pressure immediately, and every week he has an unblocked pass rusher coming like 3-4 times a game. My biggest criticism of Lynch is his inability to draft OL, and his dismissive approach to bolstering the OL in free agency. To me it makes way more sense to spend resources building a great OL and maximizing good skill position guys than just winging it with the likes of Colton McKivitz and Jake Brendel while you pay 4+ skill guys HUGE money. Its embarrassing that we pay Kittle big money and he spends half his time out there being our 2nd/3rd best OL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he simply doesn't have the plus arm you want for your franchise guy. We can stop debating that…it's simply the truth. The bad weather games are a problem. That doesn't mean he can't be successful, we saw it last yr…you don't need a cannon to complete downfield passes.

I keep saying his special traits are processing and anticipation. That has to be his special skill set because he doesn't possess some of those other top end traits. That's fine there's been plenty of successful QBs that didn't have those elite tangible traits. For whatever reason he's taken a step back with the stuff he's been really good at. I also feel like his mechanics have gotten sloppy at time and lead to some bad balls.

No one should be saying let's dump him, but we can have an honest debate about him. I think it's more about how much do you pay him and how long to you ride it out with him (and don't have a legit backup in place). For me I would feel way more comfortable giving him a Baker type deal and going from there. IMO one really good year of football doesn't equal highest paid player in football.

Let's learn from our mistakes (Jimmy) when it comes to contracts and being able to move off or add someone that could help the team even more at QB down the road.

Exactly this....well stated!

Originally posted by elguapo:
THIS. All those are factors plus our offensive line can't pass protect worth s**t. Why do people think that Brock has so many rushing yards this year and bails out of the pocket? I mean come on use common sense people. He upped his game as a running quarterback like he wanted to, and he also was doing very well the first few weeks of the year (some of the throws he was making were excellent without the help of YAC or anything else). If people wanna say he regressed that's fine but he is still easily a top 10 quarterback. I don't hear people ripping on CJ Stroud and he's had a down year as well.

Purdy is better than Lawrence by a mile, better than Dak, Love, Goff, so he should get paid in the mid 50's.

I guess with all of the injuries and inconsistencies on offense, it's amazing that Purdy has set the all-time record, that's right you heard it for passer rating above 120 & 130 in his first three seasons AND he didn't even play a full season his first year.

He has his limitations, but he also has intangibles that a lot of top 10 quarterbacks don't come close to him.

I'll just touch on our OL can't pass-protect. This was as of last week.


brock has been pressure the 11th lowest in the league and his overall pressures are 15th in the league (which is damn good for someone that's only missed one game). He's only been hurried 26 times. You brought up CJ. He's been pressured the most in the NFL, almost twice as much as Brock. Same with Mahomes. Same with Hurries.

the OL is not elite. We all know that. Saying he's failing because of it is not true. He's 3rd overall in time to throw. Which is not a great stat if you're an offensive lineman. He's not getting rid of the ball quickly and consistently trying to push it downfield.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

I don't think a lot of people's excitement over replacing Jimmy with Brock had anything to do with physical throwing talent, especially as it relates to arm strength. Again, Brock is arguably the least talented thrower of the football as a starter in the NFL. Jimmy G has better arm talent from an arm strength perspective.

The argument was always that arm strength is not a critical factor to be successful provided you have the minimum necessary amount… and I'd say Brock is very close to that.

What made Brock more appealing than Jimmy was his superior accuracy, poise in the pocket, ability to read defenses, go through progressions, and make less predetermined throws or panicky throws under pressure. On top of the mental advantages Brock has over Jimmy he brings much better athleticism and ability to extend plays.

Brock absolutely dominated the intermediate range passes last year, and showed he is capable of hitting deep passes and outside of the number throws on occasion. He's not going to be successful in those areas routinely. People breaking down film, like JTO as an example, routinely showed him passing up deeper down the field throws that were late developing. It's not his strength.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he simply doesn't have the plus arm you want for your franchise guy. We can stop debating that…it's simply the truth. The bad weather games are a problem. That doesn't mean he can't be successful, we saw it last yr…you don't need a cannon to complete downfield passes.

I keep saying his special traits are processing and anticipation. That has to be his special skill set because he doesn't possess some of those other top end traits. That's fine there's been plenty of successful QBs that didn't have those elite tangible traits. For whatever reason he's taken a step back with the stuff he's been really good at. I also feel like his mechanics have gotten sloppy at time and lead to some bad balls.

No one should be saying let's dump him, but we can have an honest debate about him. I think it's more about how much do you pay him and how long to you ride it out with him (and don't have a legit backup in place). For me I would feel way more comfortable giving him a Baker type deal and going from there. IMO one really good year of football doesn't equal highest paid player in football.

Let's learn from our mistakes (Jimmy) when it comes to contracts and being able to move off or add someone that could help the team even more at QB down the road.

Exactly this....well stated!

After this season I suspect the 49ers will be in less of a hurry to hand out a big contract. I'm in favor of letting him play out next year and then signing him or letting him try free agency. It's a risk but signing him to a mega contract is a bigger risk. It's probably better for Purdy and the 49ers . If he has a big year next season he can command a bigger contract whether he chooses to stay with SF or enter free agency.

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
How come other QBs get a pass when they are complimented with great players and BP doesn't. You think Sam Darnold, Matt Stanford or Joe Burroughs would be better than Brock with the same issues, such as, fourth string RB, no true number one receiver, broken o-line? I do agree that Brock has made some poor decisions but I also think his arm is injured more than we actually are being told and his supporting cast except for George and JJ is below average. Oh and the defense and ST blows too but that's another rant but adds to the equation.

Burrow has been pressured 120 times this yr vs brock's 87. Burrow's been deal with backup RBs all yr and has one of the worst Ds in the NFL. He's currently got 4,000 yards 36TDs and 8 interceptions.

CJ is the most pressured QB in the NFL and has lost Diggs and Collins for big parts of the year (if we're gonna go that route).

this OL has Brock as the 11th least pressured QB in football currently.

You're not being objective if you think Brock is as good as Burrow and Stafford. CJ is objectively more talented.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
How come other QBs get a pass when they are complimented with great players and BP doesn't. You think Sam Darnold, Matt Stanford or Joe Burroughs would be better than Brock with the same issues, such as, fourth string RB, no true number one receiver, broken o-line? I do agree that Brock has made some poor decisions but I also think his arm is injured more than we actually are being told and his supporting cast except for George and JJ is below average. Oh and the defense and ST blows too but that's another rant but adds to the equation.

this would be a huge team violation

No it isnt. Players play hurt all the time. Fred Warner has been doing it all season. If there is zero doubt a player will play, he doesnt need to be on the injury report.