QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

I don't think a lot of people's excitement over replacing Jimmy with Brock had anything to do with physical throwing talent, especially as it relates to arm strength. Again, Brock is arguably the least talented thrower of the football as a starter in the NFL. Jimmy G has better arm talent from an arm strength perspective.

The argument was always that arm strength is not a critical factor to be successful provided you have the minimum necessary amount… and I'd say Brock is very close to that.

What made Brock more appealing than Jimmy was his superior accuracy, poise in the pocket, ability to read defenses, go through progressions, and make less predetermined throws or panicky throws under pressure. On top of the mental advantages Brock has over Jimmy he brings much better athleticism and ability to extend plays.

Brock absolutely dominated the intermediate range passes last year, and showed he is capable of hitting deep passes and outside of the number throws on occasion. He's not going to be successful in those areas routinely. People breaking down film, like JTO as an example, routinely showed him passing up deeper down the field throws that were late developing. It's not his strength.

You can choose to go back in time on WZ and pull receipts if you would like. I am not saying what you are saying is wrong, but EVERYONE was excited for Brock being able to throw to every zone on the field. That was one of the big upgrades from Jimmy. We were all pumped that he tested the entire field and threw with accuracy. Has nothing to do with arm strength.

So much revisionist history going on right now. Whether thats intentional or not, I cannot say.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You can choose to go back in time on WZ and pull receipts if you would like. I am not saying what you are saying is wrong, but EVERYONE was excited for Brock being able to throw to every zone on the field. That was one of the big upgrades from Jimmy. We were all pumped that he tested the entire field and threw with accuracy. Has nothing to do with arm strength.

So much revisionist history going on right now. Whether thats intentional or not, I cannot say.

I was very involved in those conversations, lol. Trying to convince people that the team had moved on from Trey Lance. Every day regurgitating the same arguments. Brock opened up the offense because he's smarter and tougher than Jimmy G. And arm strength absolutely is a factor when we're talking about outside the number and deep down the field throws. We don't want Brock hanging balls out at the sideline or deep down the field as anything other than keeping the defense from stacking the middle of the field, where his real strengths are.

Also, when Brock was solidified as a starter I also had multiple arguments with posters who would describe his arm strength as a plus or average in comparison to other NFL starters, to the point of being offended when someone told them otherwise. You can see it now with people talking about hidden injuries he might be dealing with. It was simply bias, ignorance of other QBs, or a combination of both to not recognize his limited throwing talent. It wasn't a factor while Kyle and Brock were killing bad defenses with the scheme and his skillset.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are claiming that he is holding the offense back. That he cant throw outside the numbers. That he cant throw a good deep ball. And I ask you this. How many of you were saying that last year? Dont answer. The answer is zero of you. Not a one. No, Brock doesnt have a rocket arm, but he had no problem throwing outside the numbers or deep last year. When he first took over from Jimmy, EVERYONE was excited because "we finally had a QB that could/would throw to all parts of the field."

You dont just forget how to throw downfield. You dont just forget how to throw outside the numbers. Just maybe, there are other factors as to why he hasnt had a great season? Could be:

-WR1 has been out for the season
-WR2 has been awful
-HOF LT has been hurt and the OL hasnt exactly been great even when he played
-OPOY has missed the entire season (which subsequently caused Kyle to go away from playaction)
-Shoulder injury (which I believe is still an issue)

Purdy is a damn good QB. Is he top 5? No. Is he top 10? I absolutely believe so. He is the best QB we have had since Steve Young. He is 24 years old. You dont just dump a QB like that because he had a mediocre season during a year that the whole team didnt perform close to expectations.

I don't think a lot of people's excitement over replacing Jimmy with Brock had anything to do with physical throwing talent, especially as it relates to arm strength. Again, Brock is arguably the least talented thrower of the football as a starter in the NFL. Jimmy G has better arm talent from an arm strength perspective.

The argument was always that arm strength is not a critical factor to be successful provided you have the minimum necessary amount… and I'd say Brock is very close to that.

What made Brock more appealing than Jimmy was his superior accuracy, poise in the pocket, ability to read defenses, go through progressions, and make less predetermined throws or panicky throws under pressure. On top of the mental advantages Brock has over Jimmy he brings much better athleticism and ability to extend plays.

Brock absolutely dominated the intermediate range passes last year, and showed he is capable of hitting deep passes and outside of the number throws on occasion. He's not going to be successful in those areas routinely. People breaking down film, like JTO as an example, routinely showed him passing up deeper down the field throws that were late developing. It's not his strength.

You can choose to go back in time on WZ and pull receipts if you would like. I am not saying what you are saying is wrong, but EVERYONE was excited for Brock being able to throw to every zone on the field. That was one of the big upgrades from Jimmy. We were all pumped that he tested the entire field and threw with accuracy. Has nothing to do with arm strength.

So much revisionist history going on right now. Whether thats intentional or not, I cannot say.

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Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The OL overall isn't as bad as people keep complaining about. Yes it needs some talent put into it but….

Overall is not terrible but the lack of protection at the front of the pocket is terrible. Brendell is the lowest rated Center in the league in Pass Protection. The result has been Purdy not being able to step into throws or being forced to move laterally to stay alive.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel.

Brendel stinks, he also stunk last yr and Brock wasn't hindered by it.

Most team have a deficiency along the OL somewhere. Mahomes it's his OT. Herbert it's his IOL. Allen it's his OGs. Rams it's the whole damn thing in pass-pro.

I'm just picking one play off the top of my head by on TNF Brock had a clean ass pocket on that deep pass to Ricky and massively under threw a should have been TD.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OTC gonna disagree with you here. You say Brock hasn't earned a top of the market deal? Who really has though, Jordan Love was paid after one good year. Trevor Lawrence has really done s**t in the NFL. Don't tell me Tua hasn't earned earned his contract either. Sam Darnold is about to be paid pretty damn good but for what, this past year?

If anyone has earned anything, it's Brock Purdy. People are down on him because of this bad year that really hasn't been all that bad.

Just a quick analogy, you're in the hospital visiting your kid. "Timmy, why did you jump off that cliff into the water?" He replies, 'My friends all did it."
There's probably only 5 QBS that deserve that $55-60M contract. I don't believe B Purdy is in that class. All the agents and players union want him to sign it, so the pressure is on the 49ers FO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
How come other QBs get a pass when they are complimented with great players and BP doesn't. You think Sam Darnold, Matt Stanford or Joe Burroughs would be better than Brock with the same issues, such as, fourth string RB, no true number one receiver, broken o-line? I do agree that Brock has made some poor decisions but I also think his arm is injured more than we actually are being told and his supporting cast except for George and JJ is below average. Oh and the defense and ST blows too but that's another rant but adds to the equation.

Burrow has been pressured 120 times this yr vs brock's 87. Burrow's been deal with backup RBs all yr and has one of the worst Ds in the NFL. He's currently got 4,000 yards 36TDs and 8 interceptions.

CJ is the most pressured QB in the NFL and has lost Diggs and Collins for big parts of the year (if we're gonna go that route).

this OL has Brock as the 11th least pressured QB in football currently.

You're not being objective if you think Brock is as good as Burrow and Stafford. CJ is objectively more talented.

NYniner85, you ATE with this comment. Honestly there is nothing to refute or debate at all here. Brock Purdy is simply not as good as Burrow. Never has been and never will be. That's what a franchise QB looks like. Brock is not that guy, he will benefit from the market and position he plays but there are levels. I can tell you this much, if the Niners had Burrow last year, they would have dog walked the Chiefs in the super bowl.

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OTC gonna disagree with you here. You say Brock hasn't earned a top of the market deal? Who really has though, Jordan Love was paid after one good year. Trevor Lawrence has really done s**t in the NFL. Don't tell me Tua hasn't earned earned his contract either. Sam Darnold is about to be paid pretty damn good but for what, this past year?

If anyone has earned anything, it's Brock Purdy. People are down on him because of this bad year that really hasn't been all that bad.

Just a quick analogy, you're in the hospital visiting your kid. "Timmy, why did you jump off that cliff into the water?" He replies, 'My friends all did it."
There's probably only 5 QBS that deserve that $55-60M contract. I don't believe B Purdy is in that class. All the agents and players union want him to sign it, so the pressure is on the 49ers FO.

He's not in that class. The Niners are in a tough spot with this decision but their hands may be forced.

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OTC gonna disagree with you here. You say Brock hasn't earned a top of the market deal? Who really has though, Jordan Love was paid after one good year. Trevor Lawrence has really done s**t in the NFL. Don't tell me Tua hasn't earned earned his contract either. Sam Darnold is about to be paid pretty damn good but for what, this past year?

If anyone has earned anything, it's Brock Purdy. People are down on him because of this bad year that really hasn't been all that bad.

Just a quick analogy, you're in the hospital visiting your kid. "Timmy, why did you jump off that cliff into the water?" He replies, 'My friends all did it."
There's probably only 5 QBS that deserve that $55-60M contract. I don't believe B Purdy is in that class. All the agents and players union want him to sign it, so the pressure is on the 49ers FO.

Smfh but I bet you weren't saying this last season. Yah that's what I thought.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If I'm Lynch, I play hard ball. Purdy hasn't earned a top of the market deal, period. I'm sorry he just hasn't. 1.5 years of good play and 1 year of mostly mediocre with a few absolutely horrific games sprinkled in, is not deserving of that type of money.

We don't know for sure that he's a franchise guy. We should learn from our mistake with Jimmy. Jimmy turned a total loser in a winner and he was actually better in close games. Brock simply sustained what we had the past couple years, but when more got put on him, he crumbled in the spotlight.

I love Brock as a person and leader. He's a great scrambler and he scorches zone. But he is physically limited as a thrower, has a bad propensity for WTF throws, not seeing the whole field, being greedy, and is statistically the worst the NFL against man coverage. When teams figure you out, if you can't adjust -- and he's shown so far he can't -- then it tells me you unfortunately aren't the guy.

I agree with all this. I'm not handing him a quarter billion dollars. The mayfield deal is fair imo. He gets generational wealth and a chance to cash in a lot more in the near future. It gives SF breathing room both cap wise and in case we need to go elsewhere at QB

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Smfh but I bet you weren't saying this last season. Yah that's what I thought.

Things change with new information. Why would it be a positive to be stubborn? Both years count.

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OTC gonna disagree with you here. You say Brock hasn't earned a top of the market deal? Who really has though, Jordan Love was paid after one good year. Trevor Lawrence has really done s**t in the NFL. Don't tell me Tua hasn't earned earned his contract either. Sam Darnold is about to be paid pretty damn good but for what, this past year?

If anyone has earned anything, it's Brock Purdy. People are down on him because of this bad year that really hasn't been all that bad.

Just a quick analogy, you're in the hospital visiting your kid. "Timmy, why did you jump off that cliff into the water?" He replies, 'My friends all did it."
There's probably only 5 QBS that deserve that $55-60M contract. I don't believe B Purdy is in that class. All the agents and players union want him to sign it, so the pressure is on the 49ers FO.

He's not in that class. The Niners are in a tough spot with this decision but their hands may be forced.

He's not in the Trevor Lawrence, Tua or Kirk Cousins class. Yah okay, lemme guess his arm strength and can't play in the bad weather thing right. Lol

But Brock Purdy still managed to get to the NFCC in 2022 and Super Bowl in 2023.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
He's not in the Trevor Lawrence, Tua or Kirk Cousins class. Yah okay, lemme guess his arm strength and can't play in the bad weather thing right. Lol

But Brock Purdy still managed to get to the NFCC in 2022 and Super Bowl in 2023.

The point of the post was that there are only five ish guys in that class and we shouldn't make the same mistake other teams did.

Nobody is really arguing Lawrence,Tua, or Cousins should have been paid what they were and saying Brock doesn't deserve that kind of contract. Those guys are being used as examples by people who are willing to pay Purdy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Smfh but I bet you weren't saying this last season. Yah that's what I thought.

Things change with new information. Why would it be a positive to be stubborn? Both years count.

What's the new information?

much ado about nothing. he'll get paid as certain as shanny will be back and that is that

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

If I'm Lynch, I play hard ball. Purdy hasn't earned a top of the market deal, period. I'm sorry he just hasn't. 1.5 years of good play and 1 year of mostly mediocre with a few absolutely horrific games sprinkled in, is not deserving of that type of money.

We don't know for sure that he's a franchise guy. We should learn from our mistake with Jimmy. Jimmy turned a total loser in a winner and he was actually better in close games. Brock simply sustained what we had the past couple years, but when more got put on him, he crumbled in the spotlight.

I love Brock as a person and leader. He's a great scrambler and he scorches zone. But he is physically limited as a thrower, has a bad propensity for WTF throws, not seeing the whole field, being greedy, and is statistically the worst the NFL against man coverage. When teams figure you out, if you can't adjust -- and he's shown so far he can't -- then it tells me you unfortunately aren't the guy.

First off, playing hardball isn't going to get you anywhere. Purdy got MVP votes last year, and until this disaster of a 2024 season for the ENTIRE team, he had been fantastic. If we don't pay him market value, someone else will. Period.

Maybe we don't know for sure if hes a franchise guy, but the QB position demands a certain price point, so few teams have the luxury of knowing their guy is a superstar when they hand out that first deal. You either pay a guy top of the market with some risk, or you let him leave and end up having to sign Gardner Minshew.

Brock's arm strength is not a limitation. He led the league in comp. % on balls thrown over 20 yards last year. People expect every franchise QB to be able to go 60 yards with accuracy, when in reality almost no one actually can. Brock sees the field well, and throws with anticipation. He goes through progressions and processes things faster than most guys.

The OL has been really bad this year. He is constantly under pressure immediately, and every week he has an unblocked pass rusher coming like 3-4 times a game. My biggest criticism of Lynch is his inability to draft OL, and his dismissive approach to bolstering the OL in free agency. To me it makes way more sense to spend resources building a great OL and maximizing good skill position guys than just winging it with the likes of Colton McKivitz and Jake Brendel while you pay 4+ skill guys HUGE money. Its embarrassing that we pay Kittle big money and he spends half his time out there being our 2nd/3rd best OL.

I'm just looking at it through the lens of merit. I don't disagree that he's shown a lot of good.

I also am realistic in the fact that I expect us to do differently than I'd prefer and he'll get the big deal. I am hoping we can stack incentives and outs to protect ourselves as best as we can.

Ultimately, I have some pretty big concerns but I can also acknowledge that it's not like it's impossible for Brock to improve. He absolutely needs to do that. He has admitted himself he has let the team down this year by not being smart with the ball. That's really my only major gripe.

I am OK with him missing a throw, everyone does. I'm OK with lacking a rocket arm. Not every QB has that either nor do they necessarily need it. But what I do ask and expect of him going into next year is he absolutely must learn from his mistakes. Fans, teammates, and coaches will quickly lose faith in him if he doesn't.