QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Kyle has some faults, but calling him a bad head coach after leading the team to the super twice Is ridiculous.

9er fans are always wanting the shiny new toy Instead of appreciating what we already have.

Let's not give up on Kyle after one bad season. We'll be back next season

Most of these fans have been use to firing HCs for the past 30 yrs.

its like the old saying goes…show me a hot women and I'll show you a guy tired of banging her.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I agree that a large % of the league don't have that franchise QB and they are either looking for one every year or they have a decent QB they can win with. We are in the latter and lets be thankful we aren't the Browns or Bears who have been looking for decent QB 50+ years.

Getting caught in the "decent QB" trap sucks as well…I'm not saying that's the deal with Brock. I'm saying folks are paying guys like Kirk, Carr, Smith, Mayfield, Tua Dak, Watson etc stupid money and we all know they ain't winning it all. It's like living in NFL Purgatory.

I just hope SF doesn't make him the highest paid player with no easy outs or never even contemplate adding young talent to that position.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Herbert is an elite level QB all the same.

goff backs up my take….take away his talent on offense and he's not elevating the guys he's got. Brock is in the same boat. Goff's cap hit doesn't get outrageous until 2026, at that point their team will be vastly different and he will have to put the team on his shoulders.

Pay Brock baker money (even though he's not playing as well) and then reassess it in a couple yrs. Brock says no, then say go out there and prove it. Play out your deal and start negotiations in 2026. We don't have to fall into a trap of vastly overpaying a QB just cause. That's why 90% of the league has no chance to win a SB. They're overpaying for a mid QB or they're searching for one.

Also as far as Kyle trying to find one. Keep looking. That's part of the issue, they did the same s**t with Jimmy and missed on much better QBs because of it. Lance was a failed attempt, so what, Reid failed a bunch of times before getting Mahomes. IMO Kyle can and does get the most out of all his QBs.

i don't think there is any overpayment. goff makes what he should be making and he's a fine QB. detroit is doing well. reality is your QB1 is gonna want to be paid like one. to me it's one of the most BS things out there that fans complain when QB1 makes money. hello, he's your QB1. what do you want him to make, nothing? QB is the most important position probably in sports. they are supposed to make money.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Haven't seen anyone identify anyone available to use this off-season that will be able to do it any better than brock

I'm not trying to do that. I'm stating our FQB might not be as elite as everyone hoped for. I'm not saying replace him, I'm saying in no way should they pay him $250M.

I like Brock, he does have limitations, folks needs to recognize that. He's gonna get paid, I would prefer it be closer to what Mayfield got or let him play out his rookie deal and go from there.

It is all about guarantees, and he will not be guaranteed $250m. So you continuing to say "I'm not paying him $250m" is a beyond irrelevant.

Also, you and others keep saying "I would prefer to let him play out his rookie year." Well, I would prefer to win the Megamillions. What those two statements have in common is both have zero chance of happening.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Herbert is an elite level QB all the same.

goff backs up my take….take away his talent on offense and he's not elevating the guys he's got. Brock is in the same boat. Goff's cap hit doesn't get outrageous until 2026, at that point their team will be vastly different and he will have to put the team on his shoulders.

Pay Brock baker money (even though he's not playing as well) and then reassess it in a couple yrs. Brock says no, then say go out there and prove it. Play out your deal and start negotiations in 2026. We don't have to fall into a trap of vastly overpaying a QB just cause. That's why 90% of the league has no chance to win a SB. They're overpaying for a mid QB or they're searching for one.

Also as far as Kyle trying to find one. Keep looking. That's part of the issue, they did the same s**t with Jimmy and missed on much better QBs because of it. Lance was a failed attempt, so what, Reid failed a bunch of times before getting Mahomes. IMO Kyle can and does get the most out of all his QBs.

i don't think there is any overpayment. goff makes what he should be making and he's a fine QB. detroit is doing well. reality is your QB1 is gonna want to be paid like one. to me it's one of the most BS things out there that fans complain when QB1 makes money. hello, he's your QB1. what do you want him to make, nothing? QB is the most important position probably in sports. they are supposed to make money.

I agree, think we have to pay him, and don't think we can get away with much less than $60m. Here's the rub. Not counting 1994 which was the first year of the cap rules and everyone could easily move money to out years, the Only QB to win a SB eating more than 13 percent of the cap was Mahomes. There's been a lot of really good quarterbacks out there for decades, and nobody else has done it. The estimated 2025 cap is $265-$275m. That's gives you $35.75m to spend at most. The era of letting guys like Trent Williams with no future hold you up and above average Deva WR's like Brandon Aiyuk getting near top money is over. We will have to be among the youngest teams. And keep drafting or bringing in quarterbacks into the trial and error pipeline.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Herbert is an elite level QB all the same.

goff backs up my take….take away his talent on offense and he's not elevating the guys he's got. Brock is in the same boat. Goff's cap hit doesn't get outrageous until 2026, at that point their team will be vastly different and he will have to put the team on his shoulders.

Pay Brock baker money (even though he's not playing as well) and then reassess it in a couple yrs. Brock says no, then say go out there and prove it. Play out your deal and start negotiations in 2026. We don't have to fall into a trap of vastly overpaying a QB just cause. That's why 90% of the league has no chance to win a SB. They're overpaying for a mid QB or they're searching for one.

Also as far as Kyle trying to find one. Keep looking. That's part of the issue, they did the same s**t with Jimmy and missed on much better QBs because of it. Lance was a failed attempt, so what, Reid failed a bunch of times before getting Mahomes. IMO Kyle can and does get the most out of all his QBs.

And how is this situation any different than Brock's? It is literally the exact same thing. Brock's cap hit wouldnt get massive until 2026 either, and this team will be very different by then too.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think there is any overpayment. goff makes what he should be making and he's a fine QB. detroit is doing well. reality is your QB1 is gonna want to be paid like one. to me it's one of the most BS things out there that fans complain when QB1 makes money. hello, he's your QB1. what do you want him to make, nothing? QB is the most important position probably in sports. they are supposed to make money.

It works right now because they extended him and his cap is low for two yrs. After that the cap hits are due and that WILL hurt their ability to sustain top talent. Always been that way.

so unless they're still amazing during that time (in which they can restructure and extend) they aren't gonna win s**t.

QBs should make what they offer the team, just like any position. You're not the best guy at your position you shouldn't be paid as the best. Why is that hard to get? He should be getting a mayfield deal not a Burrow deal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It works right now because they extended him and his cap is low for two yrs. After that the cap hits are due and that WILL hurt their ability to sustain top talent. Always been that way.

so unless they're still amazing during that time (in which they can restructure and extend) they aren't gonna win s**t.

QBs should make what they offer the team, just like any position. You're not the best guy at your position you shouldn't be paid as the best. Why is that hard to get? He should be getting a mayfield deal not a Burrow deal.

yeah it's low cap hits, and an out. that's how deals are done. gotta remember brock isn't some toolsy guy and he isn't coming off his best year either. the deal should reflect that. i suggested 5 years $200m and perhaps we negotiate up to $225-$235m range. I don't expect the early cap hits to be huge at all, they will be reasonable. brock probably wants to get paid and this is mega millions here he would be QB1 also so i see incentive on both sides to get a deal done.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And how is this situation any different than Brock's? It is literally the exact same thing. Brock's cap hit wouldnt get massive until 2026 either, and this team will be very different by then too.

In two yrs Goff will have a cap hit of $69M lol. At that point they will have to move off players and that OL ain't gonna be the same. They're older and they aren't gonna have all the money in the world to add proven talent there and other places. They got young guys that will be wanting to get paid soon.

There's a reason why top 5 paid QBs don't win SBs unless you're the GOAT, mahomes took up 17.2% of his cap 2022. And when you have that type of talent you can and do restructure/extend to lower cap hits.

SO unless you think Brock is that goat level guy, then paying him top 5 money is stupid. We got a ton of examples of that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think there is any overpayment. goff makes what he should be making and he's a fine QB. detroit is doing well. reality is your QB1 is gonna want to be paid like one. to me it's one of the most BS things out there that fans complain when QB1 makes money. hello, he's your QB1. what do you want him to make, nothing? QB is the most important position probably in sports. they are supposed to make money.

It works right now because they extended him and his cap is low for two yrs. After that the cap hits are due and that WILL hurt their ability to sustain top talent. Always been that way.

so unless they're still amazing during that time (in which they can restructure and extend) they aren't gonna win s**t.

QBs should make what they offer the team, just like any position. You're not the best guy at your position you shouldn't be paid as the best. Why is that hard to get? He should be getting a mayfield deal not a Burrow deal.

I agree, but here's why it doesn't work out that way. Quarterbacks always have the leverage, because most people think you need a top 12 or so at the position to have a realistic chance of winning a SB. Trying to get one of those 12 people on the planet looks awfully daunting if you're starting from scratch. If your guy is close and young, he's your best odds. At other positions, there's simply more guys that can fit the bill, and if you're off a bit, you've got a chance to make up for it with other positions. Not so with quarterback.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And how is this situation any different than Brock's? It is literally the exact same thing. Brock's cap hit wouldnt get massive until 2026 either, and this team will be very different by then too.

In two yrs Goff will have a cap hit of $69M lol. At that point they will have to move off players and that OL ain't gonna be the same. They're older and they aren't gonna have all the money in the world to add proven talent there and other places. They got young guys that will be wanting to get paid soon.

There's a reason why top 5 paid QBs don't win SBs unless you're the GOAT, mahomes took up 17.2% of his cap 2022. And when you have that type of talent you can and do restructure/extend to lower cap hits.

SO unless you think Brock is that goat level guy, then paying him top 5 money is stupid. We got a ton of examples of that.

gotta understand teams never eat that kind of cap hit. they have a lot of tricks up their sleeve to defer that hit, or spread it over various years, or redo the deal, etc.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah it's low cap hits, and an out. that's how deals are done. gotta remember brock isn't some toolsy guy and he isn't coming off his best year either. the deal should reflect that. i suggested 5 years $200m and perhaps we negotiate up to $225-$235m range. I don't expect the early cap hits to be huge at all, they will be reasonable. brock probably wants to get paid and this is mega millions here he would be QB1 also so i see incentive on both sides to get a deal done.

There is no out until after 2027 for Goff. He will be on the books in 2026 for $69M.

In no way should Brock be making that type of money. I also won't be shocked if that's what it is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
gotta understand teams never eat that kind of cap hit. they have a lot of tricks up their sleeve to defer that hit, or spread it over various years, or redo the deal, etc.

The only way they don't eat that is if they cut Goff before March 17th this yr. There is no trick up their sleeve unless they restructure which is just converting a player's base salary or roster bonus into a signing bonus. Do giving him more cash up front. That means he's gonna be even harder to move off down the road. Restructure should only happen if they're good and part of your LT plans (or your fine eating a massive DM hit).

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree, but here's why it doesn't work out that way. Quarterbacks always have the leverage, because most people think you need a top 12 or so at the position to have a realistic chance of winning a SB. Trying to get one of those 12 people on the planet looks awfully daunting if you're starting from scratch. If your guy is close and young, he's your best odds. At other positions, there's simply more guys that can fit the bill, and if you're off a bit, you've got a chance to make up for it with other positions. Not so with quarterback.

yes and put yourself in the shoes of the ppl involved. shanny has years now with brock in his system. he's not eager to move off that for some random guy. same with brock and lynch and the entire O. they have built it around brock for years. very easy to do that with QB making 900k, and now we want to throw a fit cuz how dare he actually want to be paid real NFL dollars. that contract he's on now is a clown contract by nfl standards. lance on a rookie deal did nothing, and out earned brock by $30 million.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
gotta understand teams never eat that kind of cap hit. they have a lot of tricks up their sleeve to defer that hit, or spread it over various years, or redo the deal, etc.

The only way they don't eat that is if they cut Goff before March 17th this yr. There is no trick up their sleeve unless they restructure and you're only doing that if they think he's the guy long-term.

yeah he's in the silly mvp convo so i'm thinking he is their guy in detroit. they'll just redo the deal to make it workable for the player and club. business as usual in the nfl.