QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look this is my point. I'm not disagreeing that Brock is gonna get paid…probably massively overpaid. It's how the position goes.

my point is SF shouldn't have to be prisoner of that "next man up" contract negotiation tactic. He hasn't played well this yr, that's just a fact. That shouldn't equal top 5 contract ever talk.

yea you can navigate through the cap. Acting like there will be zero repercussions after paying Brock & him not being in that elite class is simply not true…last season could have been his best season ever, if you're betting on him being that and more in the future fine. I'm not 100% in agreement there.

It SF said hey Brock is available via trade, we want a couple 1sts (you know going rate for a good young franchise QB) does anyone think there's teams in the league lining up to give that up, just so they can pay him?? I highly doubt that's the case and folks need to think about that.

Still nothing in this 🤔🧐

No team will offer even offer 1-1st and pay him $50/60M. Purdy has no leverage in that regard.
NYG & LV are drafting QBs. NE, JAX & Car have their QBs. TEN-CLE-NYJ-SEA-PiT > all bad weather teams, nit a fit for Purdy. NO-MIA , stuck with mid QBs on bad contracts. Offer him mid money only.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
One guy is ascending the other is declining. Just pointing out facts. If we are in a similar situation next year will you still defend Kyle or will you have concerns?

It's one yr dude…One guy is coming off a SB run the other hasn't. DET isn't gonna get home field and just might have to play a football game outside a dome for once this yr.

I will evaluate the situation objectively. Like I always do.

Next year it will be Liam Coen who's gonna be the guy who everyone wants. Admittedly what he has done is down right impressive

Originally posted by Furlow:
No one is ready for the Mahomes conversation lol. Burrow and Allen, no. But that's irrelevant. Player contracts aren't free floating and based on who's "best" at the time that they sign. No one thought Jimmy G was the greatest QB in the league when he signed his deal, which made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Mahomes and Burrow will probably get $70M-$80M per on their next deals. In 2-3 years Purdy and $60M per won't even be top 10. That's part of the point to committing to them long term.

You think if SF said to the league Brock is available via trade that teams would be running to give us 1st rd picks and paying Brock $250M?

If the answer is probably not, then you're free floating who's best at the time idea doesn't really hold water imo. Let the market dictate his worth. I bet it's more at the Mayfled price vs the Lamar/Burrow/Mahomes price.

SF doesn't have to say oh well you're the next QB to get paid so you should be the highest paid player in football. They did that with Jimmy and it turns out it wasn't the right move. Forget the money, It made them pot committed to him and they passed on much better options that ultimately cost them real chances at winning it all.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Next year it will be Liam Coen who's gonna be the guy whose everyone wants. Admittedly what he has done is down right impressive

Yup, he has done well that's for sure. It was Dave Canales the yr before.

I bet folks will give Kilff another shot as well.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

I mean do you think teams would give up multiple 1sts just for the opportunity to pay Brock $250M?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You think if SF said to the league Brock is available via trade that teams would be running to give us 1st rd picks and paying Brock $250M?

If the answer is probably not, then you're free floating who's best at the time idea doesn't really hold water imo. Let the market dictate his worth. I bet it's more at the Mayfled price vs the Lamar/Burrow/Mahomes price.

SF doesn't have to say oh well you're the next QB to get paid so you should be the highest paid player in football. They did that with Jimmy and it turns out it wasn't the right move. Forget the money, It made them pot committed to him and they passed on much better options that ultimately cost them real chances at winning it all.

kind of a nonsense point. lamar was out there a FA and no one offered not one team. who was our QB? how come we didn't offer? did we choose our in house guy over lamar? it was an offer sheet you have to give up 2 ones and ravens can match, they probably would have matched anyway. but no team bit is my understanding. maybe we had no ones cuz we spent them on North Dakota Tebow..

Originally posted by Furlow:
No one is ready for the Mahomes conversation lol. Burrow and Allen, no. But that's irrelevant. Player contracts aren't free floating and based on who's "best" at the time that they sign. No one thought Jimmy G was the greatest QB in the league when he signed his deal, which made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Mahomes and Burrow will probably get $70M-$80M per on their next deals. In 2-3 years Purdy and $60M per won't even be top 10. That's part of the point to committing to them long term.

Oh man…

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
This year. Yes.

He hasn't won s**t last I checked…dude you're complaining about Kyle going to SBs and then want a OC who lost to Kyle in the playoffs.

NY, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Ben Johnson. He is the hot name because his team is doing so well this year, while ignoring everything else.

But......this is EXACTLY what you are doing with Purdy. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an elite level when he took over for Jimmy in 2022. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an MVP level last season.

So while I agree, you cant just use this year to judge Johnson, that is essentially what you are doing with Purdy. Cant have it both ways.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
There are so many examples of "the best" not being the highest paid, the ever evolving NFL contract ecosystem is nuts.

I think Brock Purdy could pull off a Drew Brees level career....I think that is a possibility, but I think it is impossible to put Purdy into the conversation with. QB's that have elite physical traits, that also produce elite statistical results.

I think that reserving elite pay, for guys who can get elite results under the worst of circumstances is a very easy position to defend. It might not be historically accurate (since we can all think of guys who got the money when they should not have), but that is a sure fire way to protect a franchise from a mistake.

Brock, rightly has that product of the system label. I think Joe and Steve had it as well, but I think...Brock already has as many 3+ interception games as Joe Montana had in his career. I think things like that matter.

Personally I would not let Brock walk easily, but you really can't escape the reality that Brock needs a better line than he has to even get a fair evaluation.

His OL has not been as bad as folks have proclaimed. I know I've stated the numbers plenty, but currently he's the 11th least pressured QB in the league. Much better QBs are being pressured/hit at a higher rate.

I agree they shouldn't just let him walk. I find it hard to give a guy $250M with one really good season under his belt followed up by a pretty inconsistent and poor one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Next year it will be Liam Coen who's gonna be the guy whose everyone wants. Admittedly what he has done is down right impressive

Yup, he has done well that's for sure. It was Dave Canales the yr before.

I bet folks will give Kilff another shot as well.

Kliff deserves another shot. But he has shown he doesn't elevate good QBs to greatness but he can maximize great QBs.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NY, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Ben Johnson. He is the hot name because his team is doing so well this year, while ignoring everything else.

But......this is EXACTLY what you are doing with Purdy. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an elite level when he took over for Jimmy in 2022. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an MVP level last season.

So while I agree, you cant just use this year to judge Johnson, that is essentially what you are doing with Purdy. Cant have it both ways.

MVP i'm sorry, it's such a joke. it's kind of a 'which QB has the best situation' award. this years nominees are minnesota and detroit. and the winner is.. buffalo.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
MVP i'm sorry, it's such a joke. it's kind of a 'which QB has the best situation' award. this years nominees are minnesota and detroit. and the winner is.. buffalo.

Allen should have won last year when Lamar won.

Good case to be made Lamar should win this year and Allen very likely will.

#Justice

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NY, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Ben Johnson. He is the hot name because his team is doing so well this year, while ignoring everything else.

But......this is EXACTLY what you are doing with Purdy. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an elite level when he took over for Jimmy in 2022. Its almost as if you forgot he was playing at an MVP level last season.

So while I agree, you cant just use this year to judge Johnson, that is essentially what you are doing with Purdy. Cant have it both ways.

If Brock plays bad for a season and good for a season, how does that make Brock an elite QB? I think that's an inconclusive or too be determined at this pt. Last yr could have been an abnormality/his best season of his career. Or it could have been what he will be despite the poor play this yr. No one really knows.

I mean he wasn't even the highest voted MVP on his own team last yr. That's how good this roster was.

Dak was the 2nd overall in MVP voting, are we calling him some elite QB that should be making $250M? I mean his resume is much better than Brock's overall if we're looking at numbers. I know no one thinks much of him in here.

I don't think Johnson is a bad coach or anything. I think whomever hires him they would hope he becomes as good as Kyle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If Brock plays bad for a season and good for a season, how does that make Brock an elite QB? I think that's an inconclusive or too be determined at this pt. Last yr could have been an abnormality/his best season of his career. Or it could have been what he will be despite the poor play this yr. No one really knows.

I mean he wasn't even the highest voted MVP on his own team last yr. That's how good this roster was.

Dak was the 2nd overall in MVP voting, are we calling him some elite QB that should be making $250M? I mean his resume is much better than Brock's overall if we're looking at numbers. I know no one thinks much of him in here.

I don't think Johnson is a bad coach or anything. I think whomever hires him they would hope he becomes as good as Kyle.

johnson is flavor of the month, you could give tomsula a headset he could OC that lions team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If Brock plays bad for a season and good for a season, how does that make Brock an elite QB? I think that's an inconclusive or too be determined at this pt. Last yr could have been an abnormality/his best season of his career. Or it could have been what he will be despite the poor play this yr. No one really knows.

I mean he wasn't even the highest voted MVP on his own team last yr. That's how good this roster was.

Dak was the 2nd overall in MVP voting, are we calling him some elite QB that should be making $250M? I mean his resume is much better than Brock's overall if we're looking at numbers. I know no one thinks much of him in here.

I don't think Johnson is a bad coach or anything. I think whomever hires him they would hope he becomes as good as Kyle.

He was elite in terms of numbers and efficiency. That's a product of the offense as much as it is his skillset. Just a special year. Basically a full season heater from Kyle and CO.