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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Read my next comment. I should have re-worded it to a certain % of cap space relative to winning it all…having a good QB on a rookie contract makes your team better thus improves your chances at winning a SB. That shouldn't be debatable.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:Not sure why NY said win, but it does help to have stronger team which will give you more chances to compete for a title when you have a good QB on a rookie contract
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
a ton of ppl did this with jimmy also they said oh we need the QB on the rook contract. how exactly did that go?
we traded half the rook contract to dallas. and brock had a historic rook contract and we couldn't win on that. we came as close with jimmy, as we did with brock. i challenge anyone to dispute, this is all factual. reality is at some point you need to pay the QB. a revolving door of always on a rook contract, i don't see any team doing that.
in fairness, I wasn't asking rhetorically. Wilson, mahomes, rothlesburger and Brady are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. Brady and mahomes are exceptions because they've won SBs later in their career as well. Roth and Wilson are the only QBs I can think of off the top of my head that won only on their rookie contract.
i don't think I agree with the premise
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Read my next comment. I should have re-worded it to a certain % of cap space relative to winning it all…having a good QB on a rookie contract makes your team better thus improves your chances at winning a SB. That shouldn't be debatable.
Yup I'm tracking 👍🏻. I responded above
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
a ton of ppl did this with jimmy also they said oh we need the QB on the rook contract. how exactly did that go?
we traded half the rook contract to dallas. and brock had a historic rook contract and we couldn't win on that. we came as close with jimmy, as we did with brock. i challenge anyone to dispute, this is all factual. reality is at some point you need to pay the QB. a revolving door of always on a rook contract, i don't see any team doing that.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
QBs aren't being paid on their value anymore. Every new contrct has to be the highest. That's the new normal. It's wrong but that's how it is.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
mayfield's wasn't. Darnold's won't be. Jones wasn't. Carr's new deal wasn't etc etc.
I'm guess Brock's deal will be similar to love/tua even though both those guys got paid after having their best seasons. Brock's the opposite there….he shouldn't be getting a deal like that. Is what it is I guess. It's why you gonna win a SB when the QB is on his rookie deal because they get stupid money even when their not at that elite level.
are there a ton of rookie-deal QBs out there winning superbowls that I'm unaware of? How many in the superbowl era? What's the percentage?
a ton of ppl did this with jimmy also they said oh we need the QB on the rook contract. how exactly did that go?
we traded half the rook contract to dallas. and brock had a historic rook contract and we couldn't win on that. we came as close with jimmy, as we did with brock. i challenge anyone to dispute, this is all factual. reality is at some point you need to pay the QB. a revolving door of always on a rook contract, i don't see any team doing that.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
QBs aren't being paid on their value anymore. Every new contrct has to be the highest. That's the new normal. It's wrong but that's how it is.
Half of the people in this thread either are ignorant to this fact, or willingly choosing to ignore it.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People did it with Jimmy because he isnt a very good QB.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
mayfield's wasn't. Darnold's won't be. Jones wasn't. Carr's new deal wasn't etc etc.
I'm guess Brock's deal will be similar to love/tua even though both those guys got paid after having their best seasons. Brock's the opposite there….he shouldn't be getting a deal like that. Is what it is I guess. It's why you gonna win a SB when the QB is on his rookie deal because they get stupid money even when their not at that elite level.
are there a ton of rookie-deal QBs out there winning superbowls that I'm unaware of? How many in the superbowl era? What's the percentage?
a ton of ppl did this with jimmy also they said oh we need the QB on the rook contract. how exactly did that go?
we traded half the rook contract to dallas. and brock had a historic rook contract and we couldn't win on that. we came as close with jimmy, as we did with brock. i challenge anyone to dispute, this is all factual. reality is at some point you need to pay the QB. a revolving door of always on a rook contract, i don't see any team doing that.
People did it with Jimmy because he isnt a very good QB.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
he was when he was here. miles better than lance and brock is kinda drifting into the convo of being a mid tier QB at a big contract. that seems to be where we are heading. i'd be interested how you would stack brock to lamar, herbert, mahomes, allen and these others. is he top tier or not, you tell me. reality is, many teams have these mid QBs like Goff, and you have to build a winner around that.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
he was when he was here. miles better than lance and brock is kinda drifting into the convo of being a mid tier QB at a big contract. that seems to be where we are heading. i'd be interested how you would stack brock to lamar, herbert, mahomes, allen and these others. is he top tier or not, you tell me. reality is, many teams have these mid QBs like Goff, and you have to build a winner around that.
lol back to think Jimmy was anything more than a system QB that was propped up by Kyle and this team? God dude, get over it.
brock isn't top tier/elite, he's better than Jimmy that's for sure.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
he was when he was here. miles better than lance and brock is kinda drifting into the convo of being a mid tier QB at a big contract. that seems to be where we are heading. i'd be interested how you would stack brock to lamar, herbert, mahomes, allen and these others. is he top tier or not, you tell me. reality is, many teams have these mid QBs like Goff, and you have to build a winner around that.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
didn't you spend a full year arguing that 2017 jimmy is the same as brock?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
didn't you spend a full year arguing that 2017 jimmy is the same as brock?
Most certain didn't. Try again
We ALL know how much you loved Jimmy, then when he left you s**t on him…NOW for some weird reason you're defending. You're a mess
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i never bleeped on him. he did good things here. won a ton of games. we D up a 3rd and 15 and we are champs. had the 10 point lead late. this is all reality. everyone wants mahomes, hard to get that guy. you end up with lance, and no picks in round 1 for a while.