QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:
We just need to help out Brock, by having his weapons relatively healthy most of the year, so we can compete, goddamn it.

Without question….but if he's gonna be the man, he's gotta elevate a roster at some pt.

You can't expect to have half a dozen pro-bowler/all-pros on the offense every year in order to compete.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We just need to help out Brock, by having his weapons relatively healthy most of the year, so we can compete, goddamn it.

Without question….but if he's gonna be the man, he's gotta elevate a roster at some pt.

You can't expect to have half a dozen pro-bowler/all-pros on the offense every year in order to compete.

He has enough to work with. Now, playing in bad weather all of a sudden has become a major concern. Just wanted to bring that up. He needs to just be the point guard with an occasional jump shot, when needed.

BA was elite last year. He made tough catches, was winning on most of his routes, blocking to Kyle standards and doing everything asked of him. Last year. Forgetting the contract issue for one second, we have a bigger issue with him now. He is paid up but he also suffered an extensive injury. He may never be the same. He loses a step and he is no better than deebo and that's not going to work…. Brock is proving critics right. He needs an exceptional supporting cast to be successful. I don't see exceptional on this team outside of Kittle and he is getting older. Stepping back and looking at the roster for what it is and not for what it was will be the key to making good decisions in the offseason. Running it back and hoping for career bests from an aging roster is a huge gamble with very low odds for success. Injuries will continue to plague this team. Every team has them but some are better positioned to overcome them. We are not one of those teams. Brock needs all the 1s to make it work. 2s and 3s don't work due to his limitations.

NY is 100% right about Purdy but it's what we have and he will be here for a while. Brock hurts us in two ways. His on field performance and his contract that will limit our ability to stack the roster with talent he needs to be successful. It's not a good formula for success.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
BA was elite last year. He made tough catches, was winning on most of his routes, blocking to Kyle standards and doing everything asked of him. Last year. Forgetting the contract issue for one second, we have a bigger issue with him now. He is paid up but he also suffered an extensive injury. He may never be the same. He loses a step and he is no better than deebo and that's not going to work…. Brock is proving critics right. He needs an exceptional supporting cast to be successful. I don't see exceptional on this team outside of Kittle and he is getting older. Stepping back and looking at the roster for what it is and not for what it was will be the key to making good decisions in the offseason. Running it back and hoping for career bests from an aging roster is a huge gamble with very low odds for success. Injuries will continue to plague this team. Every team has them but some are better positioned to overcome them. We are not one of those teams. Brock needs all the 1s to make it work. 2s and 3s don't work due to his limitations.

NY is 100% right about Purdy but it's what we have and he will be here for a while. Brock hurts us in two ways. His on field performance and his contract that will limit our ability to stack the roster with talent he needs to be successful. It's not a good formula for success.

There's saying BA might not return until next November. ACL and PCL, takes a year to recover.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

JJ has been solid, he's not in the same class as BA. BA was almost 4.5 yards more per reception last yr. You're proving my point with him. BA is very good and turns out he mattered more than people wanted to admit because they were all butt hurt.

We're literally watching how Brock is without having one of the best rosters in football and it's super inconsistent.

Our OL isn't elite, it's far from "sucks"

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Brock is the 11th least pressured QB in the league. He has the 3rd highest responsible for pressure rate of all QBs at 22.7% (PFF).

He's consistently trying to play hero ball and push it downfield instead of taking the easy play. He did the same stuff in college and it bit him in the ass.

Yes they should add more talent to the OL, yes always try to find play makers to help the QB. Look I like Brock and I got no problem making him be the guy….buy currently he's not processing/seeing the field like he did last yr. He's forcing s**t, when he doesn't have to. He's gotta be better if he wants to be one of the highest paid players in sports. That's all I'm saying, it's not a hot take. Film and the metrics back it up.

Never said JJ is on Aiyuk level, but he's doing pretty good for being thrust into the role he has. We've gone from an okay #1 receiver and downgraded. Of course it won't look great

Stats don't tell everything. Particularly ol stats that aren't based on anything other than how a certain outlet sees it. Kruger cited a stat the other day that says they give up pressure at a high rate, ol grades are subjective. The scrambling early could be a product of hero ball or not trusting linemen like Brendel and Banks. It all snowballs when nothing is clicking so it's hard to tell exactly where it's gone wrong

I don't think we need an all star team. Let's just get a real OL. Better #1s than Aiyuk don't seem hard to find. cmc is nice, but I'd like to get him some real weapons on the outside and a better line

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
BA was elite last year. He made tough catches, was winning on most of his routes, blocking to Kyle standards and doing everything asked of him. Last year. Forgetting the contract issue for one second, we have a bigger issue with him now. He is paid up but he also suffered an extensive injury. He may never be the same. He loses a step and he is no better than deebo and that's not going to work…. Brock is proving critics right. He needs an exceptional supporting cast to be successful. I don't see exceptional on this team outside of Kittle and he is getting older. Stepping back and looking at the roster for what it is and not for what it was will be the key to making good decisions in the offseason. Running it back and hoping for career bests from an aging roster is a huge gamble with very low odds for success. Injuries will continue to plague this team. Every team has them but some are better positioned to overcome them. We are not one of those teams. Brock needs all the 1s to make it work. 2s and 3s don't work due to his limitations.

NY is 100% right about Purdy but it's what we have and he will be here for a while. Brock hurts us in two ways. His on field performance and his contract that will limit our ability to stack the roster with talent he needs to be successful. It's not a good formula for success.

There's saying BA might not return until next November. ACL and PCL, takes a year to recover.

So we need another receiver when we should be focusing on OL DL and LB.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
BA was elite last year. He made tough catches, was winning on most of his routes, blocking to Kyle standards and doing everything asked of him. Last year. Forgetting the contract issue for one second, we have a bigger issue with him now. He is paid up but he also suffered an extensive injury. He may never be the same. He loses a step and he is no better than deebo and that's not going to work…. Brock is proving critics right. He needs an exceptional supporting cast to be successful. I don't see exceptional on this team outside of Kittle and he is getting older. Stepping back and looking at the roster for what it is and not for what it was will be the key to making good decisions in the offseason. Running it back and hoping for career bests from an aging roster is a huge gamble with very low odds for success. Injuries will continue to plague this team. Every team has them but some are better positioned to overcome them. We are not one of those teams. Brock needs all the 1s to make it work. 2s and 3s don't work due to his limitations.

NY is 100% right about Purdy but it's what we have and he will be here for a while. Brock hurts us in two ways. His on field performance and his contract that will limit our ability to stack the roster with talent he needs to be successful. It's not a good formula for success.

There's saying BA might not return until next November. ACL and PCL, takes a year to recover.

So we need another receiver when we should be focusing on OL DL and LB.

I don't think they're thinking receiver at all, maybe a flier later in the draft. Pearsal, should fill in until BA gets back.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Never said JJ is on Aiyuk level, but he's doing pretty good for being thrust into the role he has. We've gone from an okay #1 receiver and downgraded. Of course it won't look great

Stats don't tell everything. Particularly ol stats that aren't based on anything other than how a certain outlet sees it. Kruger cited a stat the other day that says they give up pressure at a high rate, ol grades are subjective. The scrambling early could be a product of hero ball or not trusting linemen like Brendel and Banks. It all snowballs when nothing is clicking so it's hard to tell exactly where it's gone wrong

I don't think we need an all star team. Let's just get a real OL. Better #1s than Aiyuk don't seem hard to find. cmc is nice, but I'd like to get him some real weapons on the outside and a better line

It's not just one outlet, it's multiple sources.

Kruger is full of it and I don't listen of a single thing he says.

Another stat. Brock has been pressured 86 times this yr, same as love….for reference Mahomes has been pressured 143x burrow 125x. Goff/herbert/mahomes/CJ/jackson and a ton of other QBs have more.

Brock has been hit 32x this yr, 15th in the league, for example Josh Allen has been hit 33 times. Brock has been hurried 26 times same as baker mayfield. For reference Lamar has been hurried 50x.

he's 3rd in the league in time to throw. He's consistently trying to push the ball downfield, which is fun but there's a time and place for it.

I'm not disagreeing that they can't improve on the OL and add play makers…they can always do that. Saying that Brock's inconsistency is because of everything else is factually not true. If we have to maintain a roster like last yr to have him play at that level…that's a problem if he wants to be paid a quarter billion dollars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's not just one outlet, it's multiple sources.

Kruger is full of it and I don't listen of a single thing he says.

Another stat. Brock has been pressured 86 times this yr, same as love….for reference Mahomes has been pressured 143x burrow 125x. Goff/herbert/mahomes/CJ/jackson and a ton of other QBs have more.

Brock has been hit 32x this yr, 15th in the league, for example Josh Allen has been hit 33 times. Brock has been hurried 26 times same as baker mayfield. For reference Lamar has been hurried 50x.

he's 3rd in the league in time to throw. He's consistently trying to push the ball downfield, which is fun but there's a time and place for it.

I'm not disagreeing that they can't improve on the OL and add play makers…they can always do that. Saying that Brock's inconsistency is because of everything else is factually not true. If we have to maintain a roster like last yr to have him play at that level…that's a problem if he wants to be paid a quarter billion dollars

Well there's sources that don't agree. All OL "stats" are subjective. The only thing that's not is time to throw and amount of hits. Which stats can't tell the whole story for either

I would agree with the source that says our OL give up pressure at a high rate. He could be playing worse because of everything else. Stats aren't going to tell us if that's the case or not. Look at Brady's tape from 2019. Was it all on him?

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
BA was elite last year. He made tough catches, was winning on most of his routes, blocking to Kyle standards and doing everything asked of him. Last year. Forgetting the contract issue for one second, we have a bigger issue with him now. He is paid up but he also suffered an extensive injury. He may never be the same. He loses a step and he is no better than deebo and that's not going to work…. Brock is proving critics right. He needs an exceptional supporting cast to be successful. I don't see exceptional on this team outside of Kittle and he is getting older. Stepping back and looking at the roster for what it is and not for what it was will be the key to making good decisions in the offseason. Running it back and hoping for career bests from an aging roster is a huge gamble with very low odds for success. Injuries will continue to plague this team. Every team has them but some are better positioned to overcome them. We are not one of those teams. Brock needs all the 1s to make it work. 2s and 3s don't work due to his limitations.

NY is 100% right about Purdy but it's what we have and he will be here for a while. Brock hurts us in two ways. His on field performance and his contract that will limit our ability to stack the roster with talent he needs to be successful. It's not a good formula for success.

There's saying BA might not return until next November. ACL and PCL, takes a year to recover.

So we need another receiver when we should be focusing on OL DL and LB.

That's the problem when you're trying to build a winning team and win that Lombardi. Every year is different. Players leave for free agency or retire. Some get cut for cap reasons. Injuries are always a part of any team's success. You can't ever feel comforable because the next big injury can be just around the corner.

Then your draft plans go out the window because of a more pressing need. In some ways that's what happened when they traded up for Lance. They felt JG couldn't be counted on because of his injuries so they reached for a QB. If JG was reliable they could have used that #12 pick on an O lineman or some other position of need.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Well there's sources that don't agree. All OL "stats" are subjective. The only thing that's not is time to throw and amount of hits. Which stats can't tell the whole story for either

I would agree with the source that says our OL give up pressure at a high rate. He could be playing worse because of everything else. Stats aren't going to tell us if that's the case or not. Look at Brady's tape from 2019. Was it all on him?

So let me get this straight, data, film and metrics are subjective but random talking heads are objective?

And then we're gonna toss out some random outlier to prove that ALL data doesn't matter? Come on man. There's no need to try and find excuses for Brock's down year. No the OL isn't elite…it shouldn't have to be if you got a great QB. We're seeing what Brock looks like when we don't have an all-star roster….its not great and he's gonna do more if he wants to be paid as such.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So let me get this straight, data, film and metrics are subjective but random talking heads are objective?

And they we're gonna toss out some random outlier to prove that ALL data doesn't matter? Come on man. There's no need to try and find excuses for Brock's down year. No the OL isn't elite…it shouldn't have to be if you got a great QB. We're seeing what Brock looks like when we don't have an all-star roster….its not great and he's gonna do more if he wants to be paid as such.

It's the combo of a s**tty Ol and slow players on the outside. "Pressures" isnt hard data, it is subjective. I think Krug was citing next gen stats so it wasn't something he came up with on his own lol. None of those sources are the answer to me. I know what I see and it's a bad line in run and pass blocking that needs to be revamped

In Brady's case it was the team around him that made him play worse. We still have to see if that's the case with Brock

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
What is Brock's worst nightmare?

1st and 20 😂😂😂

You misspelled Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
What is Brock's worst nightmare?

1st and 20 😂😂😂

You misspelled Kyle Shanahan.

I'm not sure we can blame Kyle for Brock not taking what the defense gives him. Overall, Brock just needs to play better.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

What is Brock's worst nightmare?

1st and 20 😂😂😂

You misspelled Kyle Shanahan.

I'm not sure we can blame Kyle for Brock not taking what the defense gives him. Overall, Brock just needs to play better.

Needs to be coached better too. "Corner squatted so you throw it. That's how it's coached. If anything it's pi on us"

Didn't end up working out that way