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QB Brock Purdy Thread
QB Brock Purdy Thread
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:14 AM
- Method
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Move on. This guy is not the qb we are looking for or need. Just replace him with a rookie and we can get he same output
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:17 AM
- Jcool
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Letting him ride out the last year of his contract might not be the worst thing. He's going to get his bag from someone, the question for the Niners is, is this the best we can do for the money?
Who's lining up to pay Brock $250M? I disagree he would get his bag from someone else. We all know SF is gonna pay him this off season …the question I've brought up multiple times is, what if SF says to Brock to find a trade partner to give up the typical FQB compensation (couple 1sts) just to have the rights to pay you want you want (like we did with BA). I'll bet money there would be zero takers there.
On the open market he gets a 3 year 100M contract with an out after a year.
I agree it would be something similar to what Baker got. Why does SF have to give him twice as much? That ain't his market and if SF wanted to be prove it they could go that route. I highly doubt they do that.
Brocks people are going to want 60M and will threaten to hold out if they don't get it. Both sides know 95% of starting QBs reset the market when they get a new deal. So what they will probably do is give him 5 years 300M with an out after 2-3 years. So the headlines will look good for Brock and the actual numbers will protect the 49ers. I get it is really hard to find a legit starting QB in the NFL, but I would just let him play on the tag or have him go find a trade partner.
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:25 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Letting him ride out the last year of his contract might not be the worst thing. He's going to get his bag from someone, the question for the Niners is, is this the best we can do for the money?
Who's lining up to pay Brock $250M? I disagree he would get his bag from someone else. We all know SF is gonna pay him this off season …the question I've brought up multiple times is, what if SF says to Brock to find a trade partner to give up the typical FQB compensation (couple 1sts) just to have the rights to pay you want you want (like we did with BA). I'll bet money there would be zero takers there.
There'd be several teams interested imo. 49ers fans both highly over and under rate Brock Purdy.
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:28 AM
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Originally posted by WINiner:
There'd be several teams interested imo. 49ers fans both highly over and under rate Brock Purdy.
Good. Trade his ass. Bye Brock.
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:51 AM
- JC_916
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I mean we can finally all agree on this as the stats and tape don't lie folks.
Purdy just can't lead 4th quarter game winning drives....period. And don't give us oh 2 years ago or last year BS. This year he's 1 of 5 on them...1 of 5!!!! Matter of fact instead of winning the game he's more likely to throw a game sealing INT....
Mid tier QB no doubt. But I am all for running it back with him IF we can address our Oline and get some legit weapons for him. Oh and make him wear sticky gloves in any type of wet weather.
That's it folks...let's get it done.
Purdy just can't lead 4th quarter game winning drives....period. And don't give us oh 2 years ago or last year BS. This year he's 1 of 5 on them...1 of 5!!!! Matter of fact instead of winning the game he's more likely to throw a game sealing INT....
Mid tier QB no doubt. But I am all for running it back with him IF we can address our Oline and get some legit weapons for him. Oh and make him wear sticky gloves in any type of wet weather.
That's it folks...let's get it done.
[ Edited by JC_916 on Dec 23, 2024 at 6:53 AM ]
Dec 23, 2024 at 6:57 AM
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I'd rather have Darnold over Purdy.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:08 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by JC_916:He did lead us to two important comebacks in the biggest post season games you can have. Can't ignore that and it doesn't erase what happened this year. The bright side is that he's shown he can play better and longer than this down year
I mean we can finally all agree on this as the stats and tape don't lie folks.
Purdy just can't lead 4th quarter game winning drives....period. And don't give us oh 2 years ago or last year BS. This year he's 1 of 5 on them...1 of 5!!!! Matter of fact instead of winning the game he's more likely to throw a game sealing INT....
Mid tier QB no doubt. But I am all for running it back with him IF we can address our Oline and get some legit weapons for him. Oh and make him wear sticky gloves in any type of wet weather.
That's it folks...let's get it done.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:13 AM
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Originally posted by Method:
Move on. This guy is not the qb we are looking for or need. Just replace him with a rookie and we can get he same output
trey lance disagrees with this
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:19 AM
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I think that within the fan base and on this forum there's the same recency bias that Kurt Warner pointed out when Brian Baldinger, whom I otherwise like, said the Niners should maybe look at dumping/bench Brock for Sam Darnold. This is the first year that Brock has struggled. And even in struggling, he's still in the upper quadrant of NFL QB's in some of the more valued metrics. That both shows that it's not that easy to just "get someone else" and have them do well and that there's more to Brock's struggles than just "he's struggling". I get that there's physical limitations, but almost every quarterback not named Josh Allen and maybe Patrick Mahomes, if you want to throw Lamar in, almost everyone has them. I mean Joe Burrow has physical limitations. He lost the QB job at Ohio State because Dwayne Haskins was seen as having the stronger arm and higher ceiling. This is the worst year I can ever recall seeing in following the 49ers and that goes back to the Super Bowl against the Dolphins. And by that I mean years in which there were any expectations at all and years for all of this "stuff". Injuries are one thing but I can't recall not only a year in which almost every single running back spent time on IR or missed games because of injuries, but 2 place kickers and the punter on IR. Your first round draft pick getting shot in the chest. Two players having children die. Holdouts, a guy literally quitting on the team. Brock playing directly behind practically the worst center in the league, and playing behind a pretty bad line overall that sometimes is really bad.
I get that the team needs to be wise with their money and you don't want to handicap getting and paying other pieces. But we've been through this before. We wanted to move on from Jimmy, we did. That guy couldn't even beat Sam Darnold for the backup role and that was with more experience in and presumably a better understanding of Kyle's offense. The quarterback whisperer genius, and it's not really a knock but it's just people back then felt any quarterback could succeed in his system has had really one, one quarterback in San Francisco since 2017 who looked/looks like he could be the guy for several years and that's Purdy. Jimmy G, who I still feel takes more crap than he probably deserved, would be having ugly, and I mean ugly results with everything going to crap around him. He certainly would never be the leading rusher in any game, good, bad, or indifferent. He would have probably just stood, got sacked and fumbled, or thrown a pick.
I will say that I'm glad that I and we're all glad I'm sure that we don't have to make the decision or do the contract. But you can't just look at this year and say do we pay him or not and how much? You look at the entire resume and say, "Okay he came in cold in 2022 and he looked like a young superstar in the making. He came back from an shredded elbow and was a MVP candidate in a year in which everyone stayed healthy. He took a step backwards this year but that was with everything falling apart around him. You know you're not going to have the bad luck of this year every year moving forward. You know you're not going to have the good luck of basically everyone staying healthy of last year moving forward. So you try to make a deterimination of the middle.
I don't know, we're just at a point and we've been at a point where it's in vogue to give the quarterback both too much credit and too much blame almost 100% of the time.
I get that the team needs to be wise with their money and you don't want to handicap getting and paying other pieces. But we've been through this before. We wanted to move on from Jimmy, we did. That guy couldn't even beat Sam Darnold for the backup role and that was with more experience in and presumably a better understanding of Kyle's offense. The quarterback whisperer genius, and it's not really a knock but it's just people back then felt any quarterback could succeed in his system has had really one, one quarterback in San Francisco since 2017 who looked/looks like he could be the guy for several years and that's Purdy. Jimmy G, who I still feel takes more crap than he probably deserved, would be having ugly, and I mean ugly results with everything going to crap around him. He certainly would never be the leading rusher in any game, good, bad, or indifferent. He would have probably just stood, got sacked and fumbled, or thrown a pick.
I will say that I'm glad that I and we're all glad I'm sure that we don't have to make the decision or do the contract. But you can't just look at this year and say do we pay him or not and how much? You look at the entire resume and say, "Okay he came in cold in 2022 and he looked like a young superstar in the making. He came back from an shredded elbow and was a MVP candidate in a year in which everyone stayed healthy. He took a step backwards this year but that was with everything falling apart around him. You know you're not going to have the bad luck of this year every year moving forward. You know you're not going to have the good luck of basically everyone staying healthy of last year moving forward. So you try to make a deterimination of the middle.
I don't know, we're just at a point and we've been at a point where it's in vogue to give the quarterback both too much credit and too much blame almost 100% of the time.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:28 AM
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Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I think that within the fan base and on this forum there's the same recency bias that Kurt Warner pointed out when Brian Baldinger, whom I otherwise like, said the Niners should maybe look at dumping/bench Brock for Sam Darnold. This is the first year that Brock has struggled. And even in struggling, he's still in the upper quadrant of NFL QB's in some of the more valued metrics. That both shows that it's not that easy to just "get someone else" and have them do well and that there's more to Brock's struggles than just "he's struggling". I get that there's physical limitations, but almost every quarterback not named Josh Allen and maybe Patrick Mahomes, if you want to throw Lamar in, almost everyone has them. I mean Joe Burrow has physical limitations. He lost the QB job at Ohio State because Dwayne Haskins was seen as having the stronger arm and higher ceiling. This is the worst year I can ever recall seeing in following the 49ers and that goes back to the Super Bowl against the Dolphins. And by that I mean years in which there were any expectations at all and years for all of this "stuff". Injuries are one thing but I can't recall not only a year in which almost every single running back spent time on IR or missed games because of injuries, but 2 place kickers and the punter on IR. Your first round draft pick getting shot in the chest. Two players having children die. Holdouts, a guy literally quitting on the team. Brock playing directly behind practically the worst center in the league, and playing behind a pretty bad line overall that sometimes is really bad.
I get that the team needs to be wise with their money and you don't want to handicap getting and paying other pieces. But we've been through this before. We wanted to move on from Jimmy, we did. That guy couldn't even beat Sam Darnold for the backup role and that was with more experience in and presumably a better understanding of Kyle's offense. The quarterback whisperer genius, and it's not really a knock but it's just people back then felt any quarterback could succeed in his system has had really one, one quarterback in San Francisco since 2017 who looked/looks like he could be the guy for several years and that's Purdy. Jimmy G, who I still feel takes more crap than he probably deserved, would be having ugly, and I mean ugly results with everything going to crap around him. He certainly would never be the leading rusher in any game, good, bad, or indifferent. He would have probably just stood, got sacked and fumbled, or thrown a pick.
I will say that I'm glad that I and we're all glad I'm sure that we don't have to make the decision or do the contract. But you can't just look at this year and say do we pay him or not and how much? You look at the entire resume and say, "Okay he came in cold in 2022 and he looked like a young superstar in the making. He came back from an shredded elbow and was a MVP candidate in a year in which everyone stayed healthy. He took a step backwards this year but that was with everything falling apart around him. You know you're not going to have the bad luck of this year every year moving forward. You know you're not going to have the good luck of basically everyone staying healthy of last year moving forward. So you try to make a deterimination of the middle.
I don't know, we're just at a point and we've been at a point where it's in vogue to give the quarterback both too much credit and too much blame almost 100% of the time.
This is exactly the way I see it too. Not sure what QB, could succeed with all these unfortunate situations happening around him.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:31 AM
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Pretty obvious he'll be the guy, but unfortunately his blown game winning drive will equate to "let's trade Purdy and three 1sts for Burrow!!" comments all offseason
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:42 AM
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Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I think that within the fan base and on this forum there's the same recency bias that Kurt Warner pointed out when Brian Baldinger, whom I otherwise like, said the Niners should maybe look at dumping/bench Brock for Sam Darnold. This is the first year that Brock has struggled. And even in struggling, he's still in the upper quadrant of NFL QB's in some of the more valued metrics. That both shows that it's not that easy to just "get someone else" and have them do well and that there's more to Brock's struggles than just "he's struggling". I get that there's physical limitations, but almost every quarterback not named Josh Allen and maybe Patrick Mahomes, if you want to throw Lamar in, almost everyone has them. I mean Joe Burrow has physical limitations. He lost the QB job at Ohio State because Dwayne Haskins was seen as having the stronger arm and higher ceiling. This is the worst year I can ever recall seeing in following the 49ers and that goes back to the Super Bowl against the Dolphins. And by that I mean years in which there were any expectations at all and years for all of this "stuff". Injuries are one thing but I can't recall not only a year in which almost every single running back spent time on IR or missed games because of injuries, but 2 place kickers and the punter on IR. Your first round draft pick getting shot in the chest. Two players having children die. Holdouts, a guy literally quitting on the team. Brock playing directly behind practically the worst center in the league, and playing behind a pretty bad line overall that sometimes is really bad.
I get that the team needs to be wise with their money and you don't want to handicap getting and paying other pieces. But we've been through this before. We wanted to move on from Jimmy, we did. That guy couldn't even beat Sam Darnold for the backup role and that was with more experience in and presumably a better understanding of Kyle's offense. The quarterback whisperer genius, and it's not really a knock but it's just people back then felt any quarterback could succeed in his system has had really one, one quarterback in San Francisco since 2017 who looked/looks like he could be the guy for several years and that's Purdy. Jimmy G, who I still feel takes more crap than he probably deserved, would be having ugly, and I mean ugly results with everything going to crap around him. He certainly would never be the leading rusher in any game, good, bad, or indifferent. He would have probably just stood, got sacked and fumbled, or thrown a pick.
I will say that I'm glad that I and we're all glad I'm sure that we don't have to make the decision or do the contract. But you can't just look at this year and say do we pay him or not and how much? You look at the entire resume and say, "Okay he came in cold in 2022 and he looked like a young superstar in the making. He came back from an shredded elbow and was a MVP candidate in a year in which everyone stayed healthy. He took a step backwards this year but that was with everything falling apart around him. You know you're not going to have the bad luck of this year every year moving forward. You know you're not going to have the good luck of basically everyone staying healthy of last year moving forward. So you try to make a deterimination of the middle.
I don't know, we're just at a point and we've been at a point where it's in vogue to give the quarterback both too much credit and too much blame almost 100% of the time.
That's the thing, he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as some are claiming. It hasn't been a great season for him but you still see the flashes emerging and his ability to push the offense. He was also missing the target that he had developed the best chemistry with in Aiyuk and one of the only guys on the roster that was proven to consistently be able to separate against man coverage.
Adjusted EPA / PFF Grade blend.
— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) December 18, 2024
It's kind of amazing how there's a rookie QB leading a top offense on a team that had a preseason win total over/under of 6.5 wins and it's somehow going under the radar
(wow PFF really hates Love & Stafford this year) pic.twitter.com/7oPA7bIROY
Any of the advanced analytics always had Jimmy G somewhere near the very back of the pack, there was never any indication that he'd step up and progress into a more complete quarterback. I don't think its wise to draw conclusions about Purdy in a completely snakebitten season for the entire team.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:48 AM
- NYniner85
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What happened on Brock Purdy's pick? The throw was there. The protection was not. pic.twitter.com/E0gHvBaSiD
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) December 23, 2024
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:52 AM
- Kolohe
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No it's Brock's fault.
Dec 23, 2024 at 7:53 AM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:You can wait, but it's pretty easy to see that the coverage dropped back and was giving up whatever underneath. He had PTJ on the check down
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He had another guy underneath wide open. Hero ball strikes again
Brock Purdy got smacked here, but what was he looking at? The throw was never there,
— Chase Senior (@Chase_Senior) December 23, 2024
If he's limited physically, he MUST make good decisions and this year, he hasn't. It's a problem. #49ers pic.twitter.com/rl0teT1yYc
That doesn't show anything because Jennings quickly goes offscreen. That's why I'll wait for the All 22 but it looked like Jennings had decent depth on the corner.
And this is why we wait for the full view and not listen to some guy named Chase.
What happened on Brock Purdy's pick? The throw was there. The protection was not. pic.twitter.com/E0gHvBaSiD
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) December 23, 2024