QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
From my understanding at no point during that route is the wide receiver open. He was covered from the get go shouldn't even have been an option. We can excuse the bad throw by blaming the oline, but it's a bad read with Brock just staring down his target…

If you're talking about the INT from yesterday that was an anticipatory throw. In the NFL you can't wait for dudes to be open before you throw the ball. Deebo was running a clear out route and JJ was absolutely gonna be open by the time the ball got there. they've run that play plenty throughout the years.

Jonny broke it down perfectly, if you listen to his clip…The read was based off their coverage pre-snap and the uses of motions to determine man/zone….brock read the LBer or nickel DB (can't remember which one) which lead him to know who was gonna be there. It was the right read…the protection got f**ked.

He doesn't need to. He just goes to work and checks the game day thread for his expert analysis.

Originally posted by Furlow:

What happened on Brock Purdy's pick? The throw was there. The protection was not. pic.twitter.com/E0gHvBaSiD

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) December 23, 2024

Yeah this was a good read from Brock

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I'd like to make something clear about myself. I am not some blind Brock Purdy homer, who will defend him at all costs.

But I will say this. If you have a criticism about Brock that applied to last year just as much as this year, then I will take said criticism and have a discussion about it. But if you have a criticism about Brock that didnt apply to the first 1.5 seasons and only applied to this year, I am going to dismiss it. Obviously, there are other factors at play that are not just the fault of the QB...which people dont seem to grasp.

I'm with you. 100%.

This year, Brock lost a terrific multi-talented RB for the season, his money WR for what amounted to the season, and Deebo has had only 1 good game all year (40 TDs total before last night)...and Purdy's career NFL QB rating is down 14 points from last season.

There is another QB in the league that also lost his top RB threat, his best WR, and his money first down target is well below his normal production...and his career rating is down 10 points. That guy is Patrick Mahomes.

That's what happens to a QB when they lose weapons...and I would argue Purdy has lost more this year than Mahomes.

I am NOT comparing Purdy to Mahomes as a player. I am only comparing similar circumstances and results.

Then there is the difference in defenses...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the issue with brock is maybe two fold. one, is the nfl adjusts and is taking away those layered middle of the field in breaking routes he was doing so well. two, is i have a hard time seeing him as the ideal shanny QB. shanny wants to run all day and play action or boot off that, and if teams come up to play run we can hit em downfield. so ideally you would have a strong arm who is also a bit of a run threat to make the team rushing that more potent. brock checks neither box. he's got some short area quickness but he's not what i would call a real part of the run game, nor does he have a strong arm. so while he may be a capable QB i question if he is a scheme fit. we are just running with him cuz he's our best option.

What are you even talking about? Have you not been watching this team the past 3 years? Brock last year was running this offense just about better than anyone has ever ran it. Including MVP Matt Ryan. This year his numbers don't look as good. I think he is playing better than his numbers indicate.

He had 300 yards passing yesterday most of it over the middle of the field. Not sure you can say defenses are taking it away. Even the INT dude was open over the middle he just got hit. Most if his turnovers are him getting hit or tipped passes. They're not him making wrong reads or inaccurate throws.

I do agree with the poster who said he needs to quit locking in to one guy and take what the defense gives him. He has passed up some good chunk plays underneath to make a more difficult throw seemingly locking in to that games main target.

I think once BA comes back fully healthy and this line situation gets fixed we will be fine

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Neither Baker nor Carr are in the same situation as Purdy/Dak/Lawrence/Tua.

Again, the market for young talented QBs isnt dictated by the questions you continue to ask. When a young QB is up for a new deal from his team, he gets paid. Its legitimately that simple. And you continue to ignore that and try to make comparisons that arent even close to apples to apples.

yup. i have been making the point, that in the NFL or all sports its about finding value. around the time we were spending 3 ones on lance, baker and darnold were bottoming out in carolina. you could have had both, and carolina did have both. so you kinda want to buy low here, and understand guys won't thrive in bad situations. and if you do want to roll dice in the draft, commit a single pick and if it doesn't work so be it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why does SF have to be as stupid as Dallas, Miami and the jags?

You continue to keep asking this question while ignoring that this is just how it works in the NFL. Our options are to either pay him like the market dictates (which you called it being stupid), or let him go. There isnt another option.

Baker didn't get paid Dak money. Carr didn't get paid Dak money.

Yes let the market dictate his worth. Tell me who's lining up to pay him $250M besides us? Who's willing to give up picks to have the option to do that? No one that's who.

Neither Baker nor Carr are in the same situation as Purdy/Dak/Lawrence/Tua.

Again, the market for young talented QBs isnt dictated by the questions you continue to ask. When a young QB is up for a new deal from his team, he gets paid. Its legitimately that simple. And you continue to ignore that and try to make comparisons that arent even close to apples to apples.

But Baker

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you're trying to tell me Brock is as good as burrow then I'll politely end this conversation. We're talking about OL issues….Which Joe has had from the moment he stepped there and still deals with.

trying to get paid elite MONEY that he is NOT worth. Why does SF have to be as stupid as Dallas, Miami and the jags?

I brought this up and forgive me if your answer it (I don't think you have) if we said to Brock go let the market dictate your worth. Find us someone that is willing to give up what a 24yr old FQB is worth in compensation (couple 1sts) and they're willing to pay you Dak money…who's lining up to do that? No one that's who. So why should we?

Yes let's base his worth on what idiots, that rate guys like Paxton Lynch and Trey Lance as good prospects, would give up for him. That will show what he's truly worth lol

Never said he's as good as Burrow. Said he could be with 2 great receivers and a couple more years development. And it's not elite money. It's starting qb money

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the issue with brock is maybe two fold. one, is the nfl adjusts and is taking away those layered middle of the field in breaking routes he was doing so well. two, is i have a hard time seeing him as the ideal shanny QB. shanny wants to run all day and play action or boot off that, and if teams come up to play run we can hit em downfield. so ideally you would have a strong arm who is also a bit of a run threat to make the team rushing that more potent. brock checks neither box. he's got some short area quickness but he's not what i would call a real part of the run game, nor does he have a strong arm. so while he may be a capable QB i question if he is a scheme fit. we are just running with him cuz he's our best option.

What are you even talking about? Have you not been watching this team the past 3 years? Brock last year was running this offense just about better than anyone has ever ran it. Including MVP Matt Ryan. This year his numbers don't look as good. I think he is playing better than his numbers indicate.

He had 300 yards passing yesterday most of it over the middle of the field. Not sure you can say defenses are taking it away. Even the INT dude was open over the middle he just got hit. Most if his turnovers are him getting hit or tipped passes. They're not him making wrong reads or inaccurate throws.

I do agree with the poster who said he needs to quit locking in to one guy and take what the defense gives him. He has passed up some good chunk plays underneath to make a more difficult throw seemingly locking in to that games main target.

I think once BA comes back fully healthy and this line situation gets fixed we will be fine

just talking traits. if you want to pound the rock, get a QB who can maybe help with that, or a QB who can threaten downfield off of that. brock isn't a downfield thrower or a run threat. i've always wanted to see a real athletic QB in this system. maybe kick tires on daniel jones, he's sneaky athletic, and has some tools. he should be cheap.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
thats fun and all but jimmy would rarely go for big chunk plays and that was the issue and why he's not here anymore.

We have Brock on record saying he's coached on taking what the defense gives us also (which could be deep or short)

Kyle teaches the QB to go for the big play whenever he sees favorable coverage (anything that isn't double coverage) on the receiver that he is currently on in his progression. Kyle doesn't do checkdowns.

Kyle and his dad are not actual WCO tree guys. I guess you could argue Kyle is to some extent, since he coached under Gruden at a certain point, but people don't realize Mike Shanahan never coached under a WCO offensive mind. Shanahan came from Dan Reeves.

When Shanahan left the 49ers and coached the Broncos, he moved the offense further and further away from the WCO. John Elway rarely threw to the flats in 1997 and 1998. They would alternate between I formation and 2 TE sets.

The Shanahans aren't big on checkdowns.

not big on anything, just get it to the open guy.. which can be deep, intermediate or short. The play calling has every depth covered. right now defenses know Brock's tendencies

This may sound like a chicken/egg deal, but it isn't Brock's tendencies that other teams know. They know Shanahan's zone passing offense and where the ball is supposed to go. Brock runs what Shanahan tells him to run.

Half the teams in the league run passing games much like KS. There are no secrets anymore. That is why all the talk about Shanahan reinventing himself. I don't buy that talk but it is what it is. (It is about healthy players, not a new offense.)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the issue with brock is maybe two fold. one, is the nfl adjusts and is taking away those layered middle of the field in breaking routes he was doing so well. two, is i have a hard time seeing him as the ideal shanny QB. shanny wants to run all day and play action or boot off that, and if teams come up to play run we can hit em downfield. so ideally you would have a strong arm who is also a bit of a run threat to make the team rushing that more potent. brock checks neither box. he's got some short area quickness but he's not what i would call a real part of the run game, nor does he have a strong arm. so while he may be a capable QB i question if he is a scheme fit. we are just running with him cuz he's our best option.

What are you even talking about? Have you not been watching this team the past 3 years? Brock last year was running this offense just about better than anyone has ever ran it. Including MVP Matt Ryan. This year his numbers don't look as good. I think he is playing better than his numbers indicate.

He had 300 yards passing yesterday most of it over the middle of the field. Not sure you can say defenses are taking it away. Even the INT dude was open over the middle he just got hit. Most if his turnovers are him getting hit or tipped passes. They're not him making wrong reads or inaccurate throws.

I do agree with the poster who said he needs to quit locking in to one guy and take what the defense gives him. He has passed up some good chunk plays underneath to make a more difficult throw seemingly locking in to that games main target.

I think once BA comes back fully healthy and this line situation gets fixed we will be fine

just talking traits. if you want to pound the rock, get a QB who can maybe help with that, or a QB who can threaten downfield off of that. brock isn't a downfield thrower or a run threat. i've always wanted to see a real athletic QB in this system. maybe kick tires on daniel jones, he's sneaky athletic, and has some tools. he should be cheap.

there was no issues with down fields throws last year. he took advantage of the entire field after that bad 3 game stint.

We got our core pieces who are still weapons. Add OL from FA, draft for future.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
From my understanding at no point during that route is the wide receiver open. He was covered from the get go shouldn't even have been an option. We can excuse the bad throw by blaming the oline, but it's a bad read with Brock just staring down his target…

If you're talking about the INT from yesterday that was an anticipatory throw. In the NFL you can't wait for dudes to be open before you throw the ball. Deebo was running a clear out route and JJ was absolutely gonna be open by the time the ball got there. they've run that play plenty throughout the years.

Jonny broke it down perfectly, if you listen to his clip…The read was based off their coverage pre-snap and the uses of motions to determine man/zone….brock read the LBer or nickel DB (can't remember which one) which lead him to know who was gonna be there. It was the right read…the protection got f**ked.

He doesn't need to. He just goes to work and checks the game day thread for his expert analysis.

Funny he actually said out loud what we all knew about him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
there was no issues with down fields throws last year. he took advantage of the entire field after that bad 3 game stint.

We got our core pieces who are still weapons. Add OL from FA, draft for future.

NFL football can be pretty easy when you got a HOF level back having the career year, BA having the career year, Trent at LT and Kyle on the playsheet. probably foolish to just think that year will happen on repeat. we have new information here, new stuff has come to light as they say. i've seen issues this year on his downfield stuff. everything is a lollipop ball hangs in the air for days. now you can pay the guy, just put an out in that deal and get a toolsy guy if it isn't working like a Jones type, that's my suggestion. if we say kyle gets the most out of his QBs, ok then a reclamation project is wise. get nice tools for a cheap price.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
thats fun and all but jimmy would rarely go for big chunk plays and that was the issue and why he's not here anymore.

We have Brock on record saying he's coached on taking what the defense gives us also (which could be deep or short)

Kyle teaches the QB to go for the big play whenever he sees favorable coverage (anything that isn't double coverage) on the receiver that he is currently on in his progression. Kyle doesn't do checkdowns.

Kyle and his dad are not actual WCO tree guys. I guess you could argue Kyle is to some extent, since he coached under Gruden at a certain point, but people don't realize Mike Shanahan never coached under a WCO offensive mind. Shanahan came from Dan Reeves.

When Shanahan left the 49ers and coached the Broncos, he moved the offense further and further away from the WCO. John Elway rarely threw to the flats in 1997 and 1998. They would alternate between I formation and 2 TE sets.

The Shanahans aren't big on checkdowns.

not big on anything, just get it to the open guy.. which can be deep, intermediate or short. The play calling has every depth covered. right now defenses know Brock's tendencies

This may sound like a chicken/egg deal, but it isn't Brock's tendencies that other teams know. They know Shanahan's zone passing offense and where the ball is supposed to go. Brock runs what Shanahan tells him to run.

Half the teams in the league run passing games much like KS. There are no secrets anymore. That is why all the talk about Shanahan reinventing himself. I don't buy that talk but it is what it is. (It is about healthy players, not a new offense.)

all of a sudden there's no secrets?

remember back when jimmy was QB, then we saw how the offense can really look like ? Brock is just not seeing the field well. the options are still open at every level depending what the defense gives us.

Even though he had more time to throw this year, i hope we can give him more time through better OL and not think about this again.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Eh… there are definitely teams that would do it IMO. Not many, but they do exist.

The Browns traded three 1sts and change to give a highly-probable sexual predator the highest guaranteed contract by a vast margin. All it takes is one desperate team that hasn't had a franchise QB in forever.

Who? Love to know who you realistically think would give up multiple 1sts and pay him $250M.

Teams care more about god given talent and years of being productive, then if they're a good person (like the Watson case).

I was browsing the Seattle forum, and they are all saying there is no way they would take Purdy over Geno 🤔