QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am not answering your question because I cannot speak for other teams. But I did already answer this question from the point of view of who I think should do that. And as I have said to you multiple times, your question is irrelevant.

It's because you know the answer….you bringing up guys like Lawrence and Tua both who were highly touted prospects that cost high end picks. They will always get the benefit of the doubt. Those teams invested their future in them when they drafted them. We invested the last pick in the draft on a guy who doesn't even possess those high end tangible traits.

my question is exactly what we did with BA….it's most certainly not irrelevant…We said go see what the market thinks of you, he did and there was multiple teams willing to give up capital and pay him top money….you damn well know there aren't teams lining up to give him that kind of money, let alone picks to go with it. So why the f**k should SF have to give him that kind of money, especially coming off a s**t season?

ok give him jordan love contract and move to roster building quickly. none of this aiyuk delay and ruin the whole season nonsense

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why does SF have to be as stupid as Dallas, Miami and the jags?

You continue to keep asking this question while ignoring that this is just how it works in the NFL. Our options are to either pay him like the market dictates (which you called it being stupid), or let him go. There isnt another option.

Sorry SWH but that is not the only options. That's factually incorrect. We can let him play out his rookie contract. Yes, I know chances are that he wouldn't play on it and hold out for a new contract, but it IS an option.

If he did hold out; that would hurt him just as much as it hurts the 49ers, if that holdout lasted the season in its entirety. Then there's franchise tags after that.

As far as letting the market dictate his value, we can do exactly what the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. Meaning the market doesn't need to "dictate" getting only Lawrence/Dak etc money or bust. Lamar didn't even have any buyers with two firsts; I all but guarantee that Brock wouldn't either, and I agree with NY that there isn't a single team out there that would give Purdy a "top of the market" contract out there, after the season he just had.

He proved the naysayers more right than wrong this season on two things:
1. He can't play in any type of inclement weather
2. He needs the avengers around him

And before all the pitchforks come out; I am a fan of Purdy. I just don't think he's worth $50+mil a year and he's definitely not in the same tier as the elites like Mahomes/Allen/Burrow/Jackson so why the hell should he get paid like it? It would hurt the team for YEARS and we would not get #6 to show for it.

Yes, you can be a fan of Purdy and not think he's elite and not think he should get paid the ridiculous contract "because other QBs got it" and that's the market rate.

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, Jordan Love's deal is the target. 5 yrs, $220 million total value, $55 million AVE, $100 million fully guaranteed, with two void years on the end. The fact is is only $100 million fully guaranteed is the discount, along with two void years. That would make Purdy about the 12th highest-paid QB.

love can really shoot it he's a very fun thrower to watch. here is idea. offer a fair deal to brock. that can give him solid aav but is not hard to get out of, should we need to. if he doesn't want to sign on the line that is dotted, he can negotiate with other teams. see what clubs want to pay him Jordan Love money. i wouldn't be surprised to find the answer is a solid zero.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Sorry SWH but that is not the only options. That's factually incorrect. We can let him play out his rookie contract. Yes, I know chances are that he wouldn't play on it and hold out for a new contract, but it IS an option.

If he did hold out; that would hurt him just as much as it hurts the 49ers, if that holdout lasted the season in its entirety. Then there's franchise tags after that.

As far as letting the market dictate his value, we can do exactly what the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. Meaning the market doesn't need to "dictate" getting only Lawrence/Dak etc money or bust. Lamar didn't even have any buyers with two firsts; I all but guarantee that Brock wouldn't either, and I agree with NY that there isn't a single team out there that would give Purdy a "top of the market" contract out there, after the season he just had.

He proved the naysayers more right than wrong this season on two things:
1. He can't play in any type of inclement weather
2. He needs the avengers around him

And before all the pitchforks come out; I am a fan of Purdy. I just don't think he's worth $50+mil a year and he's definitely not in the same tier as the elites like Mahomes/Allen/Burrow/Jackson so why the hell should he get paid like it? It would hurt the team for YEARS and we would not get #6 to show for it.

Yes, you can be a fan of Purdy and not think he's elite and not think he should get paid the ridiculous contract "because other QBs got it" and that's the market rate.

I think the conversation should switch from whether or not he's worth the money or questions about whether another team would pay him, to whether or not we could adequately replace him on the cheap either through FA or the draft. I think we can, though there's obvious risk.

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, Jordan Love's deal is the target. 5 yrs, $220 million total value, $55 million AVE, $100 million fully guaranteed, with two void years on the end. The fact it is only $100 million fully guaranteed is the discount, along with two void years. That would make Purdy about the 12th highest-paid QB.

I think this is realistic.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why does SF have to be as stupid as Dallas, Miami and the jags?

You continue to keep asking this question while ignoring that this is just how it works in the NFL. Our options are to either pay him like the market dictates (which you called it being stupid), or let him go. There isnt another option.

Sorry SWH but that is not the only options. That's factually incorrect. We can let him play out his rookie contract. Yes, I know chances are that he wouldn't play on it and hold out for a new contract, but it IS an option.

If he did hold out; that would hurt him just as much as it hurts the 49ers, if that holdout lasted the season in its entirety. Then there's franchise tags after that.

As far as letting the market dictate his value, we can do exactly what the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. Meaning the market doesn't need to "dictate" getting only Lawrence/Dak etc money or bust. Lamar didn't even have any buyers with two firsts; I all but guarantee that Brock wouldn't either, and I agree with NY that there isn't a single team out there that would give Purdy a "top of the market" contract out there, after the season he just had.

He proved the naysayers more right than wrong this season on two things:
1. He can't play in any type of inclement weather
2. He needs the avengers around him

And before all the pitchforks come out; I am a fan of Purdy. I just don't think he's worth $50+mil a year and he's definitely not in the same tier as the elites like Mahomes/Allen/Burrow/Jackson so why the hell should he get paid like it? It would hurt the team for YEARS and we would not get #6 to show for it.

Yes, you can be a fan of Purdy and not think he's elite and not think he should get paid the ridiculous contract "because other QBs got it" and that's the market rate.

Your thinking of the 49ers as an organization.

This is a lynch shanahan decision coming off a 6-11 season.

If my jobs on the line and it's not my money, how well do you think the answer goes down if I say well "Jimmy wasn't the guy, then we traded 3 firsts for Lance and he wasn't the guy, now this kid we've been developing for 3 years we don't think he's the guy either"

Shanahan barely has a .500 coaching record...

If your him do you even risk purdy holding out and having another losing season in a row or starting over again with a complete wildcard for QB?

There's no way they risk that. Purdys agent is going to eat them because they are in a bad spot and everyone knows it...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I am not answering your question because I cannot speak for other teams. But I did already answer this question from the point of view of who I think should do that. And as I have said to you multiple times, your question is irrelevant.

It's because you know the answer….you bringing up guys like Lawrence and Tua both who were highly touted prospects that cost high end picks. They will always get the benefit of the doubt. Those teams invested their future in them when they drafted them. We invested the last pick in the draft on a guy who doesn't even possess those high end tangible traits.

my question is exactly what we did with BA….it's most certainly not irrelevant…We said go see what the market thinks of you, he did and there was multiple teams willing to give up capital and pay him top money….you damn well know there aren't teams lining up to give him that kind of money, let alone picks to go with it. So why the f**k should SF have to give him that kind of money, especially coming off a s**t season?

You don't know what teams would give up for him either. What if there's a qb needy team with a gm that thinks highly of Brock like say a Kurt Warner does. In that case I think we're getting that compensation and Brock's getting paid. None of us know for sure

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Your thinking of the 49ers as an organization.

This is a lynch shanahan decision coming off a 6-11 season.

If my jobs on the line and it's not my money, how well do you think the answer goes down if I say well "Jimmy wasn't the guy, then we traded 3 firsts for Lance and he wasn't the guy, now this kid we've been developing for 3 years we don't think he's the guy either"

Shanahan barely has a .500 coaching record...

If your him do you even risk purdy holding out and having another losing season in a row or starting over again with a complete wildcard for QB?

There's no way they risk that. Purdys agent is going to eat them because they are in a bad spot and everyone knows it...

just want to put the bold into perspective, it's a huge red flag how badly we have made a mess of our QB situation for a long time now.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why does SF have to be as stupid as Dallas, Miami and the jags?

You continue to keep asking this question while ignoring that this is just how it works in the NFL. Our options are to either pay him like the market dictates (which you called it being stupid), or let him go. There isnt another option.

Sorry SWH but that is not the only options. That's factually incorrect. We can let him play out his rookie contract. Yes, I know chances are that he wouldn't play on it and hold out for a new contract, but it IS an option.

If he did hold out; that would hurt him just as much as it hurts the 49ers, if that holdout lasted the season in its entirety. Then there's franchise tags after that.

As far as letting the market dictate his value, we can do exactly what the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. Meaning the market doesn't need to "dictate" getting only Lawrence/Dak etc money or bust. Lamar didn't even have any buyers with two firsts; I all but guarantee that Brock wouldn't either, and I agree with NY that there isn't a single team out there that would give Purdy a "top of the market" contract out there, after the season he just had.

He proved the naysayers more right than wrong this season on two things:
1. He can't play in any type of inclement weather
2. He needs the avengers around him

And before all the pitchforks come out; I am a fan of Purdy. I just don't think he's worth $50+mil a year and he's definitely not in the same tier as the elites like Mahomes/Allen/Burrow/Jackson so why the hell should he get paid like it? It would hurt the team for YEARS and we would not get #6 to show for it.

Yes, you can be a fan of Purdy and not think he's elite and not think he should get paid the ridiculous contract "because other QBs got it" and that's the market rate.

Your thinking of the 49ers as an organization.

This is a lynch shanahan decision coming off a 6-11 season.

If my jobs on the line and it's not my money, how well do you think the answer goes down if I say well "Jimmy wasn't the guy, then we traded 3 firsts for Lance and he wasn't the guy, now this kid we've been developing for 3 years we don't think he's the guy either"

Shanahan barely has a .500 coaching record...

If your him do you even risk purdy holding out and having another losing season in a row or starting over again with a complete wildcard for QB?

There's no way they risk that. Purdys agent is going to eat them because they are in a bad spot and everyone knows it...

They've already shown their hand with the guys who wanted to get paid this year. Just hold out and ShannaLynch will give in

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, Jordan Love's deal is the target. 5 yrs, $220 million total value, $55 million AVE, $100 million fully guaranteed, with two void years on the end. The fact it is only $100 million fully guaranteed is the discount, along with two void years. That would make Purdy about the 12th highest-paid QB.

I think this is realistic.

Yup, regardless of everything I just said, it isn't me making the decisions. I think this is ultimately what happens as well; or something very close to this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am not answering your question because I cannot speak for other teams. But I did already answer this question from the point of view of who I think should do that. And as I have said to you multiple times, your question is irrelevant.

It's because you know the answer….you bringing up guys like Lawrence and Tua both who were highly touted prospects that cost high end picks. They will always get the benefit of the doubt. Those teams invested their future in them when they drafted them. We invested the last pick in the draft on a guy who doesn't even possess those high end tangible traits.

my question is exactly what we did with BA….it's most certainly not irrelevant…We said go see what the market thinks of you, he did and there was multiple teams willing to give up capital and pay him top money….you damn well know there aren't teams lining up to give him that kind of money, let alone picks to go with it. So why the f**k should SF have to give him that kind of money, especially coming off a s**t season?

Again, you keep asking what teams would give up multiple picks and would give Brock a huge contract. Why do you keep asking that irrelevant question? Help me understand (I have asked you multiple times now) why that is part of your hypothetical question.

And why should we give Brock big money? Because he is 24 years old and the amount of QBs who have played as well has him and have accomplished as much as he has at this point in their career you can count on one hand. You continue to focus on one season (which you call s**t, but under no metric was it s**t), ignore the previous 1.5 seasons and ignore that contracts are given out based on projections.

You are a good poster but you have blinders on in this conversation.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am not answering your question because I cannot speak for other teams. But I did already answer this question from the point of view of who I think should do that. And as I have said to you multiple times, your question is irrelevant.

It's because you know the answer….you bringing up guys like Lawrence and Tua both who were highly touted prospects that cost high end picks. They will always get the benefit of the doubt. Those teams invested their future in them when they drafted them. We invested the last pick in the draft on a guy who doesn't even possess those high end tangible traits.

my question is exactly what we did with BA….it's most certainly not irrelevant…We said go see what the market thinks of you, he did and there was multiple teams willing to give up capital and pay him top money….you damn well know there aren't teams lining up to give him that kind of money, let alone picks to go with it. So why the f**k should SF have to give him that kind of money, especially coming off a s**t season?

You don't know what teams would give up for him either. What if there's a qb needy team with a gm that thinks highly of Brock like say a Kurt Warner does. In that case I think we're getting that compensation and Brock's getting paid. None of us know for sure

Well that's the point of it all. If there is another team then we can match it. If not; well, maybe the league isn't as high on Purdy as he or his agent might think.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Your thinking of the 49ers as an organization.

This is a lynch shanahan decision coming off a 6-11 season.

If my jobs on the line and it's not my money, how well do you think the answer goes down if I say well "Jimmy wasn't the guy, then we traded 3 firsts for Lance and he wasn't the guy, now this kid we've been developing for 3 years we don't think he's the guy either"

Shanahan barely has a .500 coaching record...

If your him do you even risk purdy holding out and having another losing season in a row or starting over again with a complete wildcard for QB?

There's no way they risk that. Purdys agent is going to eat them because they are in a bad spot and everyone knows it...

You don't think Jed would be involved with this? I'm pretty sure he will. Purdys agent going to eat them? I mean they are in a bad spot and 6-11 with Purdy as the QB; he gets some of the blame for this s**t season all the same.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Well that's the point of it all. If there is another team then we can match it. If not; well, maybe the league isn't as high on Purdy as he or his agent might think.

My point is who cares what the league thinks? The gms in the market for Purdy would be guys that haven't found a qb to begin with. You think their opinion is a good reflection of his value?