QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea there's the smart folk who think you absolutely need a Josh Allen to carry your scrubs to the promised land, even though he's never done it lol

Then there's guys like ny. Brock pisses ny off lol

I mean Brock Purdy didn't win it all either. With the team as healthy as it's ever been under this regime, with OPOY CMC and his 7th round last pick contract. What gives you reason to believe that the team can do it with his contract now being one of the highest in the league? All-star supporting cast older with some leaving and us not having the same type of cap space to sign these types of players to replace them?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Purdys playoff passing numbers do match up favorably to Lamar's. Higher rated and more yards. This includes a rain game without Deebo and the Eagles injury game

Can't say the same for Jimmy

I'm pretty sure Lamar's passing numbers would be better than they are in Baltimore with Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, and CMC as his primary targets in a Kyle Shanahan offense featuring a dominant run game (not including the QB himself).

That said, I don't see as much a problem comparing Jimmy to Purdy as they were in a very similar situation mostly. Not really seeing any people argue Brock isn't a better player.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lamar Jackson wasn't Lamar f**king Jackson at that point. He was a 1x MVP who s**t his pants every time he made the playoffs.

Even now, he is a 2x (possibly 3x) MVP who has played well in 1 out of 6 playoff games. If he plays like s**t again and the Ravens get bounced early, he might still not fetch two 1st round picks.

BTW, Purdy has had exponentially more playoff success in 1.5 seasons than Lamar has had in his whole career.

Dude this is a disappointing post coming from you. Someone else said it but with Jimmy G, you were in arguments on the other side of the fence regarding "his playoff success."

31 out of 32 teams would take Lamar Jackson over Brock Purdy. I'll give you the 49ers but I honestly think even they would take Lamar if given the choice

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yea there's the smart folk who think you absolutely need a Josh Allen to carry your scrubs to the promised land, even though he's never done it lol

Then there's guys like ny. Brock pisses ny off lol

I mean Brock Purdy didn't win it all either. With the team as healthy as it's ever been under this regime, with OPOY CMC and his 7th round last pick contract. What gives you reason to believe that the team can do it with his contract now being one of the highest in the league? All-star supporting cast older with some leaving and us not having the same type of cap space to sign these types of players to replace them?

We aren't going to buy our new team. These guys will be replaced through the draft. The Shanahan run game has always been here with or without cmc. We can improve at receiver through the draft. Need to hit at center too

Bad protection good protection it doesn't matter. Purdy is just off

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I mean Brock Purdy didn't win it all either. With the team as healthy as it's ever been under this regime, with OPOY CMC and his 7th round last pick contract. What gives you reason to believe that the team can do it with his contract now being one of the highest in the league? All-star supporting cast older with some leaving and us not having the same type of cap space to sign these types of players to replace them?

And opoy cmc sounds nice, but it doesn't matter when he averages 3 yards a carry and fumbles a drive away in the sb. That's a bad performance, don't blame Brock

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lamar Jackson wasn't Lamar f**king Jackson at that point. He was a 1x MVP who s**t his pants every time he made the playoffs.

Even now, he is a 2x (possibly 3x) MVP who has played well in 1 out of 6 playoff games. If he plays like s**t again and the Ravens get bounced early, he might still not fetch two 1st round picks.

BTW, Purdy has had exponentially more playoff success in 1.5 seasons than Lamar has had in his whole career.

Dude this is a disappointing post coming from you. Someone else said it but with Jimmy G, you were in arguments on the other side of the fence regarding "his playoff success."

31 out of 32 teams would take Lamar Jackson over Brock Purdy. I'll give you the 49ers but I honestly think even they would take Lamar if given the choice

No this is not me contradicting myself based on QB. I would take Lamar over Purdy, but that wasnt my point. My point is, Lamar has been a** in ther playoffs. It actually has very little to do with his team losing. I am not and have never been a QB wins guy. But take a look at his stats:

Game 1: 48% completion, 194 passing yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 55 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 78.8 passer rating
Game 2: 52%, 365 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 143 rushing yards,1 lost fumble, 63.2 rating
Game 3: 70%, 179 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 136 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD, 74.8 rating
Game 4: 58%, 162 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 34 rushing yards, 61.5 rating
Game 5: 73%, 152 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 100 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs, 121.8 rating
Game 6: 54%, 272 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 54 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 75.5 rating

I am talking about how he individually played, not whether his team lost. Lamar had one exceptional game and five trash games. Jimmy G has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of Lamar in the playoffs. Obviously, he can change his story. But as of now, he is a regular season legend and garbage in the playoffs.

Like I said, Lamar Jackson wasnt Lamar Jackson when he was going through the contract stuff. He was a 1x MVP who had never played a good playoff game in his career. Since then, he is a 1x or maybe 2x MVP who has played good in 50% of his playoff games.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No this is not me contradicting myself based on QB. I would take Lamar over Purdy, but that wasnt my point. My point is, Lamar has been a** in ther playoffs. It actually has very little to do with his team losing. I am not and have never been a QB wins guy. But take a look at his stats:

Game 1: 48% completion, 194 passing yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 55 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 78.8 passer rating
Game 2: 52%, 365 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 143 rushing yards,1 lost fumble, 63.2 rating
Game 3: 70%, 179 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 136 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD, 74.8 rating
Game 4: 58%, 162 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 34 rushing yards, 61.5 rating
Game 5: 73%, 152 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 100 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs, 121.8 rating
Game 6: 54%, 272 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 54 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 75.5 rating

I am talking about how he individually played, not whether his team lost. Lamar had one exceptional game and five trash games. Jimmy G has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of Lamar in the playoffs. Obviously, he can change his story. But as of now, he is a regular season legend and garbage in the playoffs.

Like I said, Lamar Jackson wasnt Lamar Jackson when he was going through the contract stuff. He was a 1x MVP who had never played a good playoff game in his career. Since then, he is a 1x or maybe 2x MVP who has played good in 50% of his playoff games.

He's 'garbage' in the biggest games.

Pretty easy follow up question is why then would you take him over Purdy, who you have stated has played better in those most important games?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
f**k out of here. Deebo had like 1,200 total yards and 12 TDs last yr.

He's not a wide receiver. He is incapable of beating man coverage unless it's a go route. He is no better at WR than Devin Hester. He's a gadget guy/return man.

Imagine having a team with Derrick Mason and Devin Hester at WR, which is about what Aiyuk and Screenbo are on par with, and pretending that's some kind of offense that every QB would dominate in.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He's not a wide receiver. He is incapable of beating man coverage unless it's a go route. He is no better at WR than Devin Hester. He's a gadget guy/return man.

Imagine having a team with Derrick Mason and Devin Hester at WR, which is about what Aiyuk and Screenbo are on par with, and pretending that's some kind of offense that every QB would dominate in.

Just for laughs, who are Kittle and CMC's historical comps?

Let me explain how reading coverages works to the fans who still don't get it:

There is a set order of progressions. If Brock's first read is Jennings, his job is to assess the coverage on Jennings and decide whether he believes the matchup is favorable. If it's not, he moves on to read 2. If he's pressured before he can get there, he checks down. With time, he moves through all of his reads until he gets to the checkdown. Or he can improvise, although that will get him chewed out by Kyle when something else would have been there.

If he sees his first read one on one, he's supposed to throw to where the receiver is supposed to end up on his pattern, barring some kind of Deion Sanders situation. Other exception would be something like a go-route against a huge cushion.

If he sees him running through zone coverage and his route is going to give Brock a window to hit him, he's supposed to throw to him. That's what happened on the interception. Brock only had to get the ball over the top of the underneath zone defender and he hits Jennings.

He can't see the checkdown on this play, because there's no reason for him to go to it. Jennings's route is favorable against the coverage and there's no reason for Brock to come off the read.

This is also why Deebo Samuel is so horrible for this offense. He can't beat man coverage unless it's a go route. However, if Brock gets to him in his order of progressions and sees that he is single covered in man, he pretty much has to throw to him or send the message that Deebo is a horrible receiver (which he is). The 49ers haven't accepted this. Kyle Shanahan in particular refuses to accept it. He refuses to play receivers for minor things, which included benching Brandon Aiyuk for Trent Sherfield in 2021, but he will allow Screenbo to loaf on clearing routes and screw up plays, not block on running plays, and be literally the worst route runner in the history of professional football, and it's all fine. He can mail it in after the catch until the team has no chance of making the playoffs, too. Then Kyle will let him know that people are calling him out and calling for him to be cut, and he can decide to actually try again in order to avoid being cut.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just for laughs, who are Kittle and CMC's historical comps?

Slower LaDainian Tomlinson and John Mackey.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea there's the smart folk who think you absolutely need a Josh Allen to carry your scrubs to the promised land, even though he's never done it lol

Then there's guys like ny. Brock pisses ny off lol

I mean Brock Purdy didn't win it all either. With the team as healthy as it's ever been under this regime, with OPOY CMC and his 7th round last pick contract. What gives you reason to believe that the team can do it with his contract now being one of the highest in the league? All-star supporting cast older with some leaving and us not having the same type of cap space to sign these types of players to replace them?

We aren't going to buy our new team. These guys will be replaced through the draft. The Shanahan run game has always been here with or without cmc. We can improve at receiver through the draft. Need to hit at center too

I agree on the premise of not "buying" our new team, but I don't exactly have confidence in Lynch/Shanny come draft time. A QB making that kind of money and taking up that amount of cap space will eventually have to make up for the teams shortcomings; I'm not sure Purdy is that guy and we have this season as proof of it.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Slower LaDainian Tomlinson and John Mackey.

Two HoF'ers, an all pro wide receiver, a gadget playmaker, and a dominant run game.

You thought you had a serious point, lol.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean Brock Purdy didn't win it all either. With the team as healthy as it's ever been under this regime, with OPOY CMC and his 7th round last pick contract. What gives you reason to believe that the team can do it with his contract now being one of the highest in the league? All-star supporting cast older with some leaving and us not having the same type of cap space to sign these types of players to replace them?

And opoy cmc sounds nice, but it doesn't matter when he averages 3 yards a carry and fumbles a drive away in the sb. That's a bad performance, don't blame Brock

I've never once blamed Brock for the SB loss or any loss for that matter. Your post seems like a cop out to the topic at hand when you presented Josh Allen not delivering the promise land and Brock not doing it either.

edit: I may have blamed Brock for the Ravens loss last year; I was pissed in the game day thread and yes he deserved some blame there.