QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lamar Jackson wasn't Lamar f**king Jackson at that point. He was a 1x MVP who s**t his pants every time he made the playoffs.

Even now, he is a 2x (possibly 3x) MVP who has played well in 1 out of 6 playoff games. If he plays like s**t again and the Ravens get bounced early, he might still not fetch two 1st round picks.

BTW, Purdy has had exponentially more playoff success in 1.5 seasons than Lamar has had in his whole career.

Dude this is a disappointing post coming from you. Someone else said it but with Jimmy G, you were in arguments on the other side of the fence regarding "his playoff success."

31 out of 32 teams would take Lamar Jackson over Brock Purdy. I'll give you the 49ers but I honestly think even they would take Lamar if given the choice

No this is not me contradicting myself based on QB. I would take Lamar over Purdy, but that wasnt my point. My point is, Lamar has been a** in ther playoffs. It actually has very little to do with his team losing. I am not and have never been a QB wins guy. But take a look at his stats:

Game 1: 48% completion, 194 passing yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 55 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 78.8 passer rating
Game 2: 52%, 365 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 143 rushing yards,1 lost fumble, 63.2 rating
Game 3: 70%, 179 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 136 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD, 74.8 rating
Game 4: 58%, 162 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 34 rushing yards, 61.5 rating
Game 5: 73%, 152 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 100 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs, 121.8 rating
Game 6: 54%, 272 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 54 rushing yards, 1 lost fumble, 75.5 rating

I am talking about how he individually played, not whether his team lost. Lamar had one exceptional game and five trash games. Jimmy G has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of Lamar in the playoffs. Obviously, he can change his story. But as of now, he is a regular season legend and garbage in the playoffs.

Like I said, Lamar Jackson wasnt Lamar Jackson when he was going through the contract stuff. He was a 1x MVP who had never played a good playoff game in his career. Since then, he is a 1x or maybe 2x MVP who has played good in 50% of his playoff games.

I got you

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Two HoF'ers, an all pro wide receiver, a gadget playmaker, and a dominant run game.

You thought you had a serious point, lol.

They're a running back and a tight end. That's not what makes an offense "loaded" for a QB. Nobody was saying the Chargers' offense was "loaded" in 2004 and 2005 when they had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Derrick Mason was solid, but not even close to an all pro. His "all pro" selection was as a punt returner. For him to be your #1 and Devin Hester your #2 means you're not "loaded" on offense.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
They're a running back and a tight end. That's not what makes an offense "loaded" for a QB. Nobody was saying the Chargers' offense was "loaded" in 2004 and 2005 when they had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Derrick Mason was solid, but not even close to an all pro. His "all pro" selection was as a punt returner. For him to be your #1 and Devin Hester your #2 means you're not "loaded" on offense.

They also had Keenan McCardell for a portion of 2004 and 2005 and people definitely thought that was a loaded offense. You could make your argument going into 2004 and would be laughed at any time after for the next couple of seasons at least.

As far as Mason goes, maybe it's just a bad comp then on your part. Obviously not as bad as Hester for Deebo.

In reality, Brock has had a dominant run game, a HoF RB in conversation as the best receiving back ever, a HoF TE, an All pro WR, and another All Pro gadget player.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I agree on the premise of not "buying" our new team, but I don't exactly have confidence in Lynch/Shanny come draft time. A QB making that kind of money and taking up that amount of cap space will eventually have to make up for the teams shortcomings; I'm not sure Purdy is that guy and we have this season as proof of it.

Well when we blow that money on players like Hargrave BA and Deebo, the qb still has to make up for shortcomings. If we can't sign the right FAs or draft right, we're screwed with or without Brock

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I've never once blamed Brock for the SB loss or any loss for that matter. Your post seems like a cop out to the topic at hand when you presented Josh Allen not delivering the promise land and Brock not doing it either.

edit: I may have blamed Brock for the Ravens loss last year; I was pissed in the game day thread and yes he deserved some blame there.

It's a reply to how can he win if he didn't with his contract and having opoy. I was just saying contract and opoy are irrelevant when opoy plays like a bottom barrel rb when it matters most. Tom Brady didn't win a SB with the best team he ever played on, but he somehow won 6 more. Doesn't really make sense, but that's football and single elim playoffs

And the Josh Allen thing is just funny because everyone says we NEED that to carry our scrubs to championships, and he hasn't done it in like 8 tries lol. I think he can win one, but him and Lamar obviously aren't this automatic ticket that people make it out to be

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Two HoF'ers, an all pro wide receiver, a gadget playmaker, and a dominant run game.

You thought you had a serious point, lol.

They're a running back and a tight end. That's not what makes an offense "loaded" for a QB. Nobody was saying the Chargers' offense was "loaded" in 2004 and 2005 when they had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Derrick Mason was solid, but not even close to an all pro. His "all pro" selection was as a punt returner. For him to be your #1 and Devin Hester your #2 means you're not "loaded" on offense.

Yea I mean we have these great all pros in Aiyuk Deebo and Juice. Aiyuk is preferably a #2 and I wouldn't mind seeing Deebo and juice go at all

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I'm right there. I like Brock and got no problem with him being the guy going forward. Doesn't mean I have to think he's elite and should reset the market as well. Or just because that's what other teams did with their QBs; we absolutely do not need to follow that trend nor should we IMO.

For s**ts and giggles, I would love to see us do with Brock what the Ravens did with Lamar. Thats finding out true "market value."

I'm with both of you in terms of believing the team will get a deal done with him this offseason. There's no real evidence, yet, to suggest they would be thinking otherwise.

I wouldn't do it at all though. Not for lesser money either. I would do whatever it takes to get him to play that final year of his contract and have an insurance policy in place if he decides to hold out.

Yeah they will pay him and that's fine. Just because we don't think he's worth resetting the market doesn't mean we hate Brock…I don't know why it always has to come back to some emotional take like that, when talking about stuff like this.

I can't imagine Brock and his agent will play next yr without a deal. I would make sure to have some sort of insurance policy not named Brandon Allen or Josh Dobbs as well.

Originally posted by Furlow:
The problem is NY went ALL IN against Purdy when he took over, and really wanted Trey to be the starter. So this is his chance to talk badly about Purdy under the guise of "not wanting to overpay."

Oh get over it. I can't stand these emotional posts. I could care less about Lance at this pt. It's a sunk cost and Brock played better than him.

thinking Brock shouldn't reset the market or be handed Dak money (which is around $250M) isn't some hateful thing.

I think BA is a real good WR, I don't think he should've gotten a JJ deal (and he didn't).

you want to continue down this road. I'll just mute you and move on all the same. I don't have time to deal with teenage girl "you hate him" bull s**t.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He's not a wide receiver. He is incapable of beating man coverage unless it's a go route. He is no better at WR than Devin Hester. He's a gadget guy/return man.

Imagine having a team with Derrick Mason and Devin Hester at WR, which is about what Aiyuk and Screenbo are on par with, and pretending that's some kind of offense that every QB would dominate in.

Boldin sucked beating man coverage. Nuk has never been great vs man. We got a TE that's a mismatch nightmare, a RB who can be a top end slot WR and BA is one of the best separators in the league.

Deebo has consistently been great vs zone coverages. Acting like he hasn't been successful here is being incredibly ignorant and shows you are not expert lol. You talk about Y/A as some golden stat, but totally disregard that it doesn't take into account YAC. Deebo catches a screen takes it to the house, that boosts the QB's yards per attempt. It's a hollow ass stat. Brock was 4th in the league in YAC passing yards last yr. Thanks Deebo and the rest of the play makers.

Again use IAY/PA if you want to talk about depth of passing attempt and pushing the ball. Brock was good there last yr, it wasn't some recording breaking thing like your trying to make it.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I agree on the premise of not "buying" our new team, but I don't exactly have confidence in Lynch/Shanny come draft time. A QB making that kind of money and taking up that amount of cap space will eventually have to make up for the teams shortcomings; I'm not sure Purdy is that guy and we have this season as proof of it.

Well when we blow that money on players like Hargrave BA and Deebo, the qb still has to make up for shortcomings. If we can't sign the right FAs or draft right, we're screwed with or without Brock

Touché no arguments there

Let him play out another year of his contract. He's got money, he gave his OL a bunch of Toyota's.

It's crazy how much people put down the rest of our players to prop Brock up.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

It's crazy how much people put down the rest of our players to prop Brock up.

Deebo had one great year partly because he played RB. Aiyuk has one good season. I look at a player like Nabers, and it's hard to give Aiyuk excuses for QB play before Brock. He's just not a real #1 compared to the rest of the league. Juice is overrated too. Kittle is amazing. Him and cmc are the only ones that live up to their all pro title on the field

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
It's crazy how much people put down the rest of our players to prop Brock up.

Deebo had one great year partly because he played RB. Aiyuk has one good season. I look at a player like Nabers, and it's hard to give Aiyuk excuses for QB play before Brock. He's just not a real #1 compared to the rest of the league. Juice is overrated too. Kittle is amazing. Him and cmc are the only ones that live up to their all pro title on the field

Deebo 2021: 1700 yards and 14 TDs on 136 touches

Deebo 2023: 1111 yards and 12 TDs on 97 touches

If I was Brock I wouldn't show up for less than $65 million, and a new O Line, Special teams coach, and a new FG kicker