QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

That argument does not fly around here, he should be able to make everyone around him better enough so to win games.

This is where he gets the "full of it" tag. He contradicts himself with every post

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

Sounds like a certain #13 out in San Fran.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

That argument does not fly around here, he should be able to make everyone around him better enough so to win games.

This is where he gets the "full of it" tag. He contradicts himself with every post

I was being sarcastic.. (if that's referring to me, if not disregard, I could not find the blue text )

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

Sounds like a certain #13 out in San Fran.

Yes

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

That argument does not fly around here, he should be able to make everyone around him better enough so to win games.

This is where he gets the "full of it" tag. He contradicts himself with every post

I was being sarcastic.. (if that's referring to me, if not disregard, I could not find the blue text )

Sorry, Not towards you

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

That argument does not fly around here, he should be able to make everyone around him better enough so to win games.

This is where he gets the "full of it" tag. He contradicts himself with every post

I was being sarcastic.. (if that's referring to me, if not disregard, I could not find the blue text )

Sorry, Not towards you

Whew

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

Sounds like a certain #13 out in San Fran.

i'd push back on this. we do have kyle, deebo and kittle. they have mayo. go in the kyle thread, and say mayo is on the level with kyle and see what response you get.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They also had Keenan McCardell for a portion of 2004 and 2005 and people definitely thought that was a loaded offense. You could make your argument going into 2004 and would be laughed at any time after for the next couple of seasons at least.

As far as Mason goes, maybe it's just a bad comp then on your part. Obviously not as bad as Hester for Deebo.

In reality, Brock has had a dominant run game, a HoF RB in conversation as the best receiving back ever, a HoF TE, an All pro WR, and another All Pro gadget player.

You obviously weren't posting on football forums back then. Nobody thought they were loaded on offense. That's why Brees commanded a huge contract (for the time...comparable to Tom Brady's in 2005) from the Saints on the open market despite coming off a torn labrum.

Aiyuk is not decisively better than Mason. Why would he be? Nobody thought anything of Aiyuk until Brock started throwing perfectly timed anticipation throws to him. He's a technician, and technicians are always contingent upon the guy throwing them the ball.

There isn't really a good stylistic comparison for Screenbo. The point is he's not a real wide receiver. Stylistically, I would say Roger Craig, but they have the opposite personality. Craig worked his ass off. He taught Jerry Rice how to work. He would NEVER take a play off. Screenbo is the biggest loafer I've ever seen.

Make Roger Craig a lazy loafer who only plays when he feels like it, lining up as a receiver most downs, and you have Screenbo.

You know who else had a dominant run game? All the QBs who played with Walter Payton and Barry Sanders. It's meaningless.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Boldin sucked beating man coverage. Nuk has never been great vs man. We got a TE that's a mismatch nightmare, a RB who can be a top end slot WR and BA is one of the best separators in the league.

Deebo has consistently been great vs zone coverages. Acting like he hasn't been successful here is being incredibly ignorant and shows you are not expert lol. You talk about Y/A as some golden stat, but totally disregard that it doesn't take into account YAC. Deebo catches a screen takes it to the house, that boosts the QB's yards per attempt. It's a hollow ass stat. Brock was 4th in the league in YAC passing yards last yr. Thanks Deebo and the rest of the play makers.

Again use IAY/PA if you want to talk about depth of passing attempt and pushing the ball. Brock was good there last yr, it wasn't some recording breaking thing like your trying to make it.

Complete nonsense. Both s**t on Screenbo as a route runner. Hopkins used to separate on comebacks and outs all the time. He was Michael Irvinesque. Screenbo has never beaten anybody on an out-breaking route in his entire career.

There's no such thing as "great vs. zone coverages." EVERYBODY is "great versus zone coverages." Being "great versus zone coverages" means you can get open when you're running into a wide open area. Yeah, Screenbo can get open when he's not covered. So can everybody on this forum.

There's a reason I call him Screenbo, and nobody even has to ask why.

Again, you ignored the part where Brock was 2nd in air yards per completion last year. Yards per attempt balances completion percentage with yards per completion. It's a fairly effective way of weeding out dink and dunk merchants, and it doesn't usually excessively reward the guys who just chuck it downfield to the detriment of the offense. When Boomer Esiason led in yards per attempt in 1988 with a huge yards per completion averages off bombs (mainly to Eddie Brown), he was MVP.

9.6 yards per attempt was a huge, record-breaking thing for somebody who threw for f**king 4280 yards. Considering he was 2nd in air yards per completion, that would only confirm that it's not some hollow stat.

The guy who had the yards per target record was Aiyuk, not Screenbo. Aiyuk wasn't catching a bunch of screens or dink and dunk stuff. He was running real routes and getting balls thrown to him right when he came out of his break, and hitting him on the numbers.

The year cmc rushed for 1400 yards and had 1k receiving the panthers won 5 games. They had Dj Moore (yet another receiver better than Aiyuk or Deebo) and Greg Olsen. Their qb was not good. Cmc does not make bad QBs good

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Drake Maye is poised to be a MVP candidate in the near future pic.twitter.com/mL9HMY0gah

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 26, 2024

every time i watch him he's very good. now they don't have a lot around him.

Sounds like a certain #13 out in San Fran.

i'd push back on this. we do have kyle, deebo and kittle. they have mayo. go in the kyle thread, and say mayo is on the level with kyle and see what response you get.

You're not pushing back. You are moving the goalpost.

You have been drilling ad nauseam on the claim that Purdy should be able to do more than he is despite missing all the pieces he had last season when he was the top-rated passer according to NFL.com by a wide margin. Now you are asking the board to accept your support for Maye as possible MVP candidate despite being lower rated than Purdy by PFF and NFL.com, both of whom are missing pieces to reach their potential.

You can't have it both ways. Yes, Purdy has had Deebo...for one good game...that's all. He also has Kittle, a few good games from Jennings, but nothing else. However, Maye is not entirely without weapons. He has not one, but two TEs, Austin Hooper (#7) and Hunter Henry (#15) having good years. Kendrick Bourne has been decent when healthy. Rhamondre Stevenson has been a better receiver than Mason, both being roughly equal as runners.

So, no, you don't get to move the goalpost.

Originally posted by dj43:
You're not pushing back. You are moving the goalpost.

You have been drilling ad nauseam on the claim that Purdy should be able to do more than he is despite missing all the pieces he had last season when he was the top-rated passer according to NFL.com by a wide margin. Now you are asking the board to accept your support for Maye as possible MVP candidate despite being lower rated than Purdy by PFF and NFL.com, both of whom are missing pieces to reach their potential.

You can't have it both ways. Yes, Purdy has had Deebo...for one good game...that's all. He also has Kittle, a few good games from Jennings, but nothing else. However, Maye is not entirely without weapons. He has not one, but two TEs, Austin Hooper (#7) and Hunter Henry (#15) having good years. Kendrick Bourne has been decent when healthy. Rhamondre Stevenson has been a better receiver than Mason, both being roughly equal as runners.

So, no, you don't get to move the goalpost.

I'd disagree with the whole second paragraph. Where am I drilling that Purdy should be doing more?

I also don't think Maye is MVP anything. Just from what I have seen, he has game. My only point on the pats vs SF, is SF has more to work with, even with some ppl out. And this isn't Maye vs Brock, they aren't in any competition. it's just talking ball. New England is more similar to us with Nolan or Sing than our Kyle era. I thought this rookie would struggle a ton with no weapons and no clear elite gameplanner on O. he's fun to watch, so are many of these rookie QBs. good class so far.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
You're not pushing back. You are moving the goalpost.

You have been drilling ad nauseam on the claim that Purdy should be able to do more than he is despite missing all the pieces he had last season when he was the top-rated passer according to NFL.com by a wide margin. Now you are asking the board to accept your support for Maye as possible MVP candidate despite being lower rated than Purdy by PFF and NFL.com, both of whom are missing pieces to reach their potential.

You can't have it both ways. Yes, Purdy has had Deebo...for one good game...that's all. He also has Kittle, a few good games from Jennings, but nothing else. However, Maye is not entirely without weapons. He has not one, but two TEs, Austin Hooper (#7) and Hunter Henry (#15) having good years. Kendrick Bourne has been decent when healthy. Rhamondre Stevenson has been a better receiver than Mason, both being roughly equal as runners.

So, no, you don't get to move the goalpost.

I'd disagree with the whole second paragraph. Where am I drilling that Purdy should be doing more?

I also don't think Maye is MVP anything. Just from what I have seen, he has game. My only point on the pats vs SF, is SF has more to work with, even with some ppl out. And this isn't Maye vs Brock, they aren't in any competition. it's just talking ball. New England is more similar to us with Nolan or Sing than our Kyle era. I thought this rookie would struggle a ton with no weapons and no clear elite gameplanner on O. he's fun to watch, so are many of these rookie QBs. good class so far.

That has been your theme for the last 20 pages. You have expressed it in different ways but that is where you land. It have even gotten to the point that some have questioned the veracity of of your handle.

With that, I go back to playing monitor.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
You're not pushing back. You are moving the goalpost.

You have been drilling ad nauseam on the claim that Purdy should be able to do more than he is despite missing all the pieces he had last season when he was the top-rated passer according to NFL.com by a wide margin. Now you are asking the board to accept your support for Maye as possible MVP candidate despite being lower rated than Purdy by PFF and NFL.com, both of whom are missing pieces to reach their potential.

You can't have it both ways. Yes, Purdy has had Deebo...for one good game...that's all. He also has Kittle, a few good games from Jennings, but nothing else. However, Maye is not entirely without weapons. He has not one, but two TEs, Austin Hooper (#7) and Hunter Henry (#15) having good years. Kendrick Bourne has been decent when healthy. Rhamondre Stevenson has been a better receiver than Mason, both being roughly equal as runners.

So, no, you don't get to move the goalpost.

I'd disagree with the whole second paragraph. Where am I drilling that Purdy should be doing more?

I also don't think Maye is MVP anything. Just from what I have seen, he has game. My only point on the pats vs SF, is SF has more to work with, even with some ppl out. And this isn't Maye vs Brock, they aren't in any competition. it's just talking ball. New England is more similar to us with Nolan or Sing than our Kyle era. I thought this rookie would struggle a ton with no weapons and no clear elite gameplanner on O. he's fun to watch, so are many of these rookie QBs. good class so far.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The year cmc rushed for 1400 yards and had 1k receiving the panthers won 5 games. They had Dj Moore (yet another receiver better than Aiyuk or Deebo) and Greg Olsen. Their qb was not good. Cmc does not make bad QBs good

I agree with the premise of this message, but IMO, Aiyuk is better than DJ Moore.