QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why would he accept being something he isnt? Brock is a top 10 QB. That isnt average.

So baker is top 10, correct?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If they had a SB win with him at QB then it would be different. Even if he had been a top pick and was already making a decent salary it might be tougher negotiations. When you've been playing for less than one million per year $25-$30 million is going to look huge.

Like I said that baker deal is still ridiculous money. 3 yrs $100 and $50MGTD compared to the $2.6M he's made overall so far.

Give him a 3 yr $150M with like $80 GTD extension. It's essentially a 4 yr deal because he's still got one yr left on his rookie deal (space out the cap hits). I mean they can fluff it up all they want with some unrealistic bloated cap hit with zero GTD cash the last hr of a 4 or 5 yr deal. Still the same s**t end of the day.

Yet, you seem to be ridiculously hung up on the $250M number....yet everything you just stated about wanting to give him $150M can absolutely apply if they give him $250m. Crazy that you cant see this.

Give him 5/$250m, $60m+ up front as a signing bonus, guarantee 2 years beyond his final year of his existing contract (next year). If he looks like a no doubt franchise QB, restructure his contract before the 2028 season to help the cap. If he looks like he is not a franchise QB, cut bait.

This is more simple than tons of you are making it out to be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why would he accept being something he isnt? Brock is a top 10 QB. That isnt average.

So baker is top 10, correct?

Baker has seasons and seasons worth of s**t play on his resume. He absolutely was a top 10 QB this season. So I would be apprehensive labeling him that right now. But he is trending that way for sure.

And before you try your "gotcha" moment trying to compare sample sizes, Brock hasnt had anywhere close to the amount of s**t play that Baker has had. That's the difference. His down season this year is better than like 5 of Baker's seasons.

hard to say brock is top 10, when you have a handful of game changing QBs and all these rooks. I would ask, what team would take their own QB out for brock. philly wouldn't do it. dallas wouldn't do it. DC wouldn't, green bay wouldn't, vikings wouldn't, lions wouldn't, bears wouldn't, bucs wouldn't, rams wouldn't, very few teams would swap brock in. cuz they like what they got as much or more imo. only teams like vegas, and they would prefer to draft a QB. brock probably doesn't have much leverage.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yet, you seem to be ridiculously hung up on the $250M number....yet everything you just stated about wanting to give him $150M can absolutely apply if they give him $250m. Crazy that you cant see this.

Give him 5/$250m, $60m+ up front as a signing bonus, guarantee 2 years beyond his final year of his existing contract (next year). If he looks like a no doubt franchise QB, restructure his contract before the 2028 season to help the cap. If he looks like he is not a franchise QB, cut bait.

This is more simple than tons of you are making it out to be.

Did you not read the second part where you can fluff up the total number with make believe bloated cap hits that have no GTD cash with it.

I'm comparing to the Dak contract which is absurd and what some folks are using as "nex man up" with QB contracts


If there's no difference between what I said at $150 for basically a 4 yr deal…why can't you agree that makes sense all the same?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
hard to say brock is top 10, when you have a handful of game changing QBs and all these rooks. I would ask, what team would take their own QB out for brock. philly wouldn't do it. dallas wouldn't do it. DC wouldn't, green bay wouldn't, vikings wouldn't, lions wouldn't, bears wouldn't, bucs wouldn't, rams wouldn't, very few teams would swap brock in. cuz they like what they got as much or more imo. only teams like vegas, and they would prefer to draft a QB. brock probably doesn't have much leverage.

This is absolutely comical coming from you.

We had argument after argument in the Jimmy Trade Value thread, when I said there were very few (if any) teams that would want Jimmy, and you adamantly argued that Jimmy was better than like 20 QBs....while I argued that there are substantially more variables than "is Jimmy better than ____."

Now you are arguing the same thing that I was saying. Funny how that works.

There are a LOT of teams that would take their current QBs over Brock for many reasons. But that doesnt mean that they are better than Brock. Brock is better than Trevor Lawrence under any metric. But I am sure the Jags would rather have Lawrence. Lots of teams invested high picks in QBs. I am sure they would want to keep their guy over Brock too. That doesnt mean they are better than Brock.

But this is all irrelevant anyway, because Brock is not a free agent. People need to understand what the QB market is, which you have demonstrated time and time again that you do not.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Baker has seasons and seasons worth of s**t play on his resume. He absolutely was a top 10 QB this season. So I would be apprehensive labeling him that right now. But he is trending that way for sure.

And before you try your "gotcha" moment trying to compare sample sizes, Brock hasnt had anywhere close to the amount of s**t play that Baker has had. That's the difference. His down season this year is better than like 5 of Baker's seasons.

He has more seasons of good play compared to Brock all the same. That's an irrelevant point imo.

brock hasn't played more seasons to have s**t play. He's basically got one amazing season and one underwhelming one. Toss in a small sample size of rookie play where no one knew what to expect. Jimmy did the same s**t…The longer you play you either get better or worse.

you think he's worth that highest paid player contract, I don't. It's as simple as that. I don't think he stinks or shouldn't be getting paid. I disagree that he should garnish that type of deal, especially coming off the season he just had.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is absolutely comical coming from you.

We had argument after argument in the Jimmy Trade Value thread, when I said there were very few (if any) teams that would want Jimmy, and you adamantly argued that Jimmy was better than like 20 QBs....while I argued that there are substantially more variables than "is Jimmy better than ____."

Now you are arguing the same thing that I was saying. Funny how that works.

There are a LOT of teams that would take their current QBs over Brock for many reasons. But that doesnt mean that they are better than Brock. Brock is better than Trevor Lawrence under any metric. But I am sure the Jags would rather have Lawrence. Lots of teams invested high picks in QBs. I am sure they would want to keep their guy over Brock too. That doesnt mean they are better than Brock.

But this is all irrelevant anyway, because Brock is not a free agent. People need to understand what the QB market is, which you have demonstrated time and time again that you do not.

I think like Baker if Lawrence played on a different team he would be better. Can you say the same thing about Brock?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yet, you seem to be ridiculously hung up on the $250M number....yet everything you just stated about wanting to give him $150M can absolutely apply if they give him $250m. Crazy that you cant see this.

Give him 5/$250m, $60m+ up front as a signing bonus, guarantee 2 years beyond his final year of his existing contract (next year). If he looks like a no doubt franchise QB, restructure his contract before the 2028 season to help the cap. If he looks like he is not a franchise QB, cut bait.

This is more simple than tons of you are making it out to be.

Did you not read the second part where you can fluff up the total number with make believe bloated cap hits that have no GTD cash with it.

I'm comparing to the Dak contract which is absurd and what some folks are using as "nex man up" with QB contracts

Dak Prescott's historic 4 year, $240M extension with the #Cowboys includes:
- $81.25M in 2024 (+$52.25M)
- $11.75M of 2024 cap saved
-$129M guaranteed at signing
-$169M over 3 years
-4 years, $231M practical
-Full No Trade or Tag Clause

Full Breakdown: https://t.co/5Wl9NfDBgx

— Spotrac (@spotrac) September 9, 2024

If there's no difference between what I said at $150 for basically a 4 yr deal…why can't you agree that makes sense all the same?

Of course I did. But that doesnt address anything of what I said. If we gave Brock the $250M that you have been so staunchly against, why couldnt that be "fluffed up with make believe bloated cap hits that have no GTD cash with it" too?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is absolutely comical coming from you.

We had argument after argument in the Jimmy Trade Value thread, when I said there were very few (if any) teams that would want Jimmy, and you adamantly argued that Jimmy was better than like 20 QBs....while I argued that there are substantially more variables than "is Jimmy better than ____."

Now you are arguing the same thing that I was saying. Funny how that works.

There are a LOT of teams that would take their current QBs over Brock for many reasons. But that doesnt mean that they are better than Brock. Brock is better than Trevor Lawrence under any metric. But I am sure the Jags would rather have Lawrence. Lots of teams invested high picks in QBs. I am sure they would want to keep their guy over Brock too. That doesnt mean they are better than Brock.

But this is all irrelevant anyway, because Brock is not a free agent. People need to understand what the QB market is, which you have demonstrated time and time again that you do not.

I think like Baker if Lawrence played on a different team he would be better. Can you say the same thing about Brock?

Well, its 100% hypothetical, so I dont know. Would Brock be better with a front line #1 WR, a good offensive line and a good running game? I would say yes, but its a totally unprovable hypothetical. All I know is what he is here, and what he is here is a top 10 QB. I honestly dont care what he could be elsewhere.

I think it is fair to say Brock has been more of a Colin Kaepernick and Jimmy G than elite QB.

Kaep should have won our Super Bowl and then eventually no one wanted him.

Jimmy G should have won the Super Bowl and NFCCG but later became a backup.

I think it is fair to say Brock also should have won our Super Bowl but if traded would eventually become another team's backup.

I don't think it's unfair to state the above.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I think it is fair to say Brock has been more of a Colin Kaepernick and Jimmy G than elite QB.

Kaep should have won our Super Bowl and then eventually no one wanted him.

Jimmy G should have won the Super Bowl and NFCCG but later became a backup.

I think it is fair to say Brock also should have won our Super Bowl but if traded would eventually become another team's backup.

I don't think it's unfair to state the above.

I think it's more fair to say it's uncertain. Brock looked like a top 10 QB last year when the team was healthy around him and he was supported by great players and a great run game. This year those things were mostly gone and he has regressed. He's made worse decisions and he's been less accurate… two strengths of his from a season ago.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Of course I did. But that doesnt address anything of what I said. If we gave Brock the $250M that you have been so staunchly against, why couldnt that be "fluffed up with make believe bloated cap hits that have no GTD cash with it" too?

I literally said go ahead and do that lol. So no you didn't read it.

The talk is about what Dak got paid. That is NOT fluffed up money at all. In no world should he be getting a deal like that.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, its 100% hypothetical, so I dont know. Would Brock be better with a front line #1 WR, a good offensive line and a good running game? I would say yes, but its a totally unprovable hypothetical. All I know is what he is here, and what he is here is a top 10 QB. I honestly dont care what he could be elsewhere.

Any QB is gonna be better with all that….thing is when you get PAID like everyone thinks he wants to be, that's not always feasible. We're acting like Brock was the only QB capable to do what he did last yr with that roster and coaching staff.

What's the point of tossing out TL then? He doesn't have any of that stuff and you're talking about how much he stinks.

Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!