QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Correct. After watching Cousins this year, combined with his age, I'd feel comfortable paying Brock about $20M a season more than Cousins.

He clearly wasn't 100% from his injury. Also why the hell bring in Kirk if you're not ever gonna run play-action? He's been one of the best play-action QBs in the league for years. That was Minn bread and butter. He was constantly at the top of the league in yards off it and number of attempts. Sam is now top 5 in usage there.

ATL was bottom of the league in PA this yr. Real head scratcher.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:
Even if Cousins and Purd had the exact same stats this year the smart move is to go with Purdy since he's 15 years younger and just starting his career while Cousins is 40 and at the tale end. That's as basic as it gets.

Common sense, right?

This. The fact it's a topic of debate is rather silly.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Carrs rating is surprising. I know he started off the season red hot but I thought he dropped off a cliff and started sucking. I didn't follow the saints very much this season after the first few weeks though.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Carrs rating is surprising. I know he started off the season red hot but I thought he dropped off a cliff and started sucking. I didn't follow the saints very much this season after the first few weeks though.

It's not surprising because he started out hot. Those games are doing the bulk of the work on his grade.

When you have big outliers and then miss lots of time where you can add more bad grades to balance it out it will do that.

Imagine if Brock was able to miss the KC game or the Buffalo/LA games with bad weather? It certainly would've helped out his grades.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not surprising because he started out hot. Those games are doing the bulk of the work on his grade.

When you have big outliers and then miss lots of time where you can add more bad grades to balance it out it will do that.

Imagine if Brock was able to miss the KC game or the Buffalo/LA games with bad weather? It certainly would've helped out his grades.

True and good point. The missing games thing does mess that up with how his play was.

Let's give Dirty his bag and let's get back after Mahomes' ass.

The narrative with Brock this year is kind of crazy to me.

Yes it hasn't been his typical play and the numbers aren't great, the interceptions, especially lately are very ill timed and make things so much worse.

However if we're being real who on offense hasn't regressed this season?

Kittle
Jennings
McKivitz

Can we honestly say someone else has improved or stayed the same from last year? Puni is a rookie so there is no comparison.

That's not even bringing in the defensive issues and the special teams disasters.

The other part of it is Shanahan hasn't made things easy this year. Little playaction, almost no screen game - only recently has he started dialing them up more and it's when we have a mountain of injuries on the OL.

I've seen a few people lately bringing up how Purdy plays late in games...as if we forgot how he played late in playoff games last year and how he led us to game winning/comeback situations, one being in a bad weather game btw. Also funny enough but Brock is actually better this year trailing/tied in 4th qtr than last year but because of the other issues on the team it SEEMS like he's worse.

This is more of a Shanahan offense issue IMO. There are clearly holes in his scheme and based on our current personnel we're simply not good enough to play with a high rate of success in must pass situations.

Improve the OL and think about giving Brock more freedom at the line. Right now we're handicapping the kid letting Brendel call the protections and sucking out there.

Originally posted by genus49:
The narrative with Brock this year is kind of crazy to me.

Yes it hasn't been his typical play and the numbers aren't great, the interceptions, especially lately are very ill timed and make things so much worse.

However if we're being real who on offense hasn't regressed this season?

Kittle
Jennings
McKivitz

Can we honestly say someone else has improved or stayed the same from last year? Puni is a rookie so there is no comparison.

That's not even bringing in the defensive issues and the special teams disasters.

The other part of it is Shanahan hasn't made things easy this year. Little playaction, almost no screen game - only recently has he started dialing them up more and it's when we have a mountain of injuries on the OL.

I've seen a few people lately bringing up how Purdy plays late in games...as if we forgot how he played late in playoff games last year and how he led us to game winning/comeback situations, one being in a bad weather game btw. Also funny enough but Brock is actually better this year trailing/tied in 4th qtr than last year but because of the other issues on the team it SEEMS like he's worse.

This is more of a Shanahan offense issue IMO. There are clearly holes in his scheme and based on our current personnel we're simply not good enough to play with a high rate of success in must pass situations.

Improve the OL and think about giving Brock more freedom at the line. Right now we're handicapping the kid letting Brendel call the protections and sucking out there.

Right. Difficult to evaluate Purdy's down year when the whole team was down. They never had any real juice even before the season started. That Super Bowl hangover had the whole team real low.

Purdy will be extended, and it will be interesting to see how he and his agent handles it. Purdy has mentioned in interviews that "as long as I have good players around me..." He seems to understand who he is. He is a very talented QB, just not the physical prototype that teams go for (that fail more often than not). He has tools to be successful on this team. Protect him and he plays like the Purdy we have watched. Let his mind go frantic (like most QBs - Jackson, Allen, Burrow, etc. included) and he makes mistakes. Football has always been that way.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

Neither of those guys are "running" QBs, that most certainly not the main part of their game. Brock had 23 runs this year which absolutely pushed up his overall PFF number.

we're talking about QBs which is throwing the football. Brock was not a better thrower of the football this yr and PFF stated that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Carrs rating is surprising. I know he started off the season red hot but I thought he dropped off a cliff and started sucking. I didn't follow the saints very much this season after the first few weeks though.

It's not surprising because he started out hot. Those games are doing the bulk of the work on his grade.

When you have big outliers and then miss lots of time where you can add more bad grades to balance it out it will do that.

Imagine if Brock was able to miss the KC game or the Buffalo/LA games with bad weather? It certainly would've helped out his grades.

It's no different than tossing in Brock's running grade on PFF. 23 rushing attempts is nothing and it absolutely inflates his overall score.

passing grade is what matters for a QB. It's like tossing in the DL coverage grade as part of their overall score.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

So Baker Mayfield hasn't been putting up MVP numbers then,...well okay.

Lol these numbers aren't finalizing any point one way or another. You do know that, right?

If you are only going to go on numbers and stats, Purdy had 1 of the best games of his NFL career this week. Most passing yards of his CAREER vs. the Lions, right?

BUT DID YOU SEE THE GAME?

Originally posted by genus49:
The narrative with Brock this year is kind of crazy to me.

Yes it hasn't been his typical play and the numbers aren't great, the interceptions, especially lately are very ill timed and make things so much worse.

However if we're being real who on offense hasn't regressed this season?

Kittle
Jennings
McKivitz

Can we honestly say someone else has improved or stayed the same from last year? Puni is a rookie so there is no comparison.

That's not even bringing in the defensive issues and the special teams disasters.

The other part of it is Shanahan hasn't made things easy this year. Little playaction, almost no screen game - only recently has he started dialing them up more and it's when we have a mountain of injuries on the OL.

I've seen a few people lately bringing up how Purdy plays late in games...as if we forgot how he played late in playoff games last year and how he led us to game winning/comeback situations, one being in a bad weather game btw. Also funny enough but Brock is actually better this year trailing/tied in 4th qtr than last year but because of the other issues on the team it SEEMS like he's worse.

This is more of a Shanahan offense issue IMO. There are clearly holes in his scheme and based on our current personnel we're simply not good enough to play with a high rate of success in must pass situations.

Improve the OL and think about giving Brock more freedom at the line. Right now we're handicapping the kid letting Brendel call the protections and sucking out there.

The QB is the architect of the offense…if he plays poorly it reflects on everyone on offense. It's why they get paid so much.

scheme plays a part for sure. JonnyD goes into the X's and O's of all of it….its not like Kyle all of a sudden forgot how to call plays or no one is ever open.

The team has the second highest cap hit of players on IR this yr (only Dallas has more). That absolutely plays a part in everything being where it's at.

I think people believe Brock is something more than what he actually is….we legit had the best rosters in football last yr and probably one of the best in a while in the league. Brock benefited from that. It's not hate, it's a fact.

all QBs need talent, some can put a team on their back and make up for the losses. Some can't. Brock falls into the latter…it's fine, we know he can play awesome when the talent is all there. His contract SHOULD reflect that though.

While Brendel stinks and needs to go…he was the center last yr and did the same s**t, yet Brock didn't play this poorly.

once again I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He needs a better roster around him, he also needs to play better himself and has limitations that will always be there.