QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

So Baker Mayfield hasn't been putting up MVP numbers then,...well okay.

Lol these numbers aren't finalizing any point one way or another. You do know that, right?

And rushing is not a big part of his game. That's simply not true. SF isn't running designed plays for him to rush. Matt Stafford has more rushing attempted according to PFF. Brock has only 2 more attempts than Joe Burrow.

and no one is saying Baker is some elite QB. He just got paid and it wasn't Dak money. Folks are trying to defend Brock over mayfield and we all know he's gonna get paid much more for whatever reason

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:
Even if Cousins and Purd had the exact same stats this year the smart move is to go with Purdy since he's 15 years younger and just starting his career while Cousins is 40 and at the tale end. That's as basic as it gets.

Common sense, right?

Are you guys shopping in a Dollar Store or something where everything has the same exact price?

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right. Difficult to evaluate Purdy's down year when the whole team was down.

No. In fact,...it's the BEST time to evaluate Purdy.

Giving you basic math problems on a test is not going to evaluate your true ability in math. Mixing in some weird, complex geometry and Calculus 3 sh** will certainly do the trick, though.

You guys still dont get it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The QB is the architect of the offense…if he plays poorly it reflects on everyone on offense. It's why they get paid so much.

scheme plays a part for sure. JonnyD goes into the X's and O's of all of it….its not like Kyle all of a sudden forgot how to call plays or no one is ever open.

The team has the second highest cap hit of players on IR this yr (only Dallas has more). That absolutely plays a part in everything being where it's at.

I think people believe Brock is something more than what he actually is….we legit had the best rosters in football last yr and probably one of the best in a while in the league. Brock benefited from that. It's not hate, it's a fact.

all QBs need talent, some can put a team on their back and make up for the losses. Some can't. Brock falls into the latter…it's fine, we know he can play awesome when the talent is all there. His contract SHOULD reflect that though.

While Brendel stinks and needs to go…he was the center last yr and did the same s**t, yet Brock didn't play this poorly.

once again I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He needs a better roster around him, he also needs to play better himself and has limitations that will always be there.

You are completely wrong on two points, which does not support your opinion whatsoever. You said that Kyle didn't all of a sudden forget how to call plays or no one is ever open? You do realize that Kyle's play calling was a lot worse this year than last year correct? Very very questionable (less play action, screens and so on). You also do realize and this is proven that our receivers got way less separation than they did in the past.

Another point you are completely wrong on, you said that our center did the same s**t last year. That is incorrect. He was bad last year. He was way worse this year. He's 35th rated out of all centers and he single-handedly cost us multiple games this year which he did not do last year. Not even close. I understand those two points support your argument that Brock isn't as good as everyone thinks and you've always tried to push this and that's fine. But you are wrong.

Brock does has his limitations but so does every single quarterback. Also saying that Brock should get paid more than Mayfield for "whatever reason" is comical. Here's a reason, because Brock is better, Brock's worst year has never even come close to Mayfield's. I'm glad Mayfield got better this year and he plays a little bit like Brock, but Brock extends plays and is a great runner. Last year in the playoffs, Brock was so damn clutch against the Lions and the Packers, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his regression this year. I am also giving the benefit of the doubt to quarterbacks like Stroud

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

So Baker Mayfield hasn't been putting up MVP numbers then,...well okay.

Lol these numbers aren't finalizing any point one way or another. You do know that, right?

If you are only going to go on numbers and stats, Purdy had 1 of the best games of his NFL career this week. Most passing yards of his CAREER vs. the Lions, right?

BUT DID YOU SEE THE GAME?

I don't get what you're stating.

My original point was Baker has been hyped up this year and mentioned to have played very well. Many have said Purdy has played like crap but yet his "down year" is still measured better than Bakers, and better than any year Baker has had, hense why I thought it seemed like Purdy is becoming a little underrated on here as opposed to the initial talks of Purdy being the next Drew Brees.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right. Difficult to evaluate Purdy's down year when the whole team was down.

No. In fact,...it's the BEST time to evaluate Purdy.

Giving you basic math problems on a test is not going to evaluate your true ability in math. Mixing in some weird, complex geometry and Calculus 3 sh** will certainly do the trick, though.

You guys still dont get it.

Eh, I just don't agree with you, that's all. No need to be rude about it. Scheme to plays it requires team execution for success. We have seen team execution fail in all three phases all season long. Players lined up wrong, wrong routes, and yes miss-throws too. The whole team failed. It doesn't rest on Purdy alone.

Purdy won't get $60M, but he will be paid well, as he should for what he has done and what we know he can do. Protect him, and he will pick a defense apart.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Even if Cousins and Purd had the exact same stats this year the smart move is to go with Purdy since he's 15 years younger and just starting his career while Cousins is 40 and at the tale end. That's as basic as it gets.

Common sense, right?

Are you guys shopping in a Dollar Store or something where everything has the same exact price?

What is the difference in price and why do we care?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Better how? Purdy is much better than Carr, the career numbers show that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

So Baker Mayfield hasn't been putting up MVP numbers then,...well okay.

Lol these numbers aren't finalizing any point one way or another. You do know that, right?

And rushing is not a big part of his game. That's simply not true. SF isn't running designed plays for him to rush. Matt Stafford has more rushing attempted according to PFF. Brock has only 2 more attempts than Joe Burrow.

and no one is saying Baker is some elite QB. He just got paid and it wasn't Dak money. Folks are trying to defend Brock over mayfield and we all know he's gonna get paid much more for whatever reason

I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

But whatever, it's nit picking. From what I've seen of your posts, I don't think our opinions vary all that much of Purdy. I probably think slightly higher of him than you but I don't think he's elite and has limitations as well.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:
Even if Cousins and Purd had the exact same stats this year the smart move is to go with Purdy since he's 15 years younger and just starting his career while Cousins is 40 and at the tale end. That's as basic as it gets.

Common sense, right?

Are you guys shopping in a Dollar Store or something where everything has the same exact price?

What is the difference in price and why do we care?

Next time your internet is working, do this search:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Better how? Purdy is much better than Carr, the career numbers show that.

Career numbers tell you which player is better right now, when the context is contract extension?

If that were the case, old, washed up players would still be making a fortune.

I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

You had him on 900k and he still had to carry you through the nfccg. He was on par with Mahomes through regulation of the Sb and you still didn't get it done. He held up his end of the bargain and guys like cmc and Kyle did not

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

Well what's your opinion? Is holding a player more responsible for collapsing late in games cherry picking? Or in close games, should stats within the first 5 minutes of the game matter just as much as the last 5 minutes of the 4th?

Like I said previously...let's add some context to these discussions. Do that and everything clears up.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

You had him on 900k and he still had to carry you through the nfccg. He was on par with Mahomes through regulation of the Sb and you still didn't get it done. He held up his end of the bargain and guys like cmc and Kyle did not

Great point. Purdy likely saved Kyle and John's jobs. And people don't think they are going to pay him? Nonsense.

Pay him and then it's the GM's job to draft players to build around him and it's the coach's job to develop them. Not let them rot on the bench.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

A recurring theme....context is not added,...which makes the entire post void.

Purdy has been paid and will continue to paid. The 49ers have not once suggested that they will not pay Purdy. I haven't really seen anyone here suggest it either. So what is your point?