QB Brock Purdy Thread

We still talkin Mayfield?
"Purdy will get much more for whatever reason"?

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Great point. Purdy likely saved Kyle and John's jobs. And people don't think they are going to pay him? Nonsense.

Pay him and then it's the GM's job to draft players to build around him and it's the coach's job to develop them. Not let them rot on the bench.

They are going to pay him.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

You had him on 900k and he still had to carry you through the nfccg. He was on par with Mahomes through regulation of the Sb and you still didn't get it done. He held up his end of the bargain and guys like cmc and Kyle did not

Great point. Purdy likely saved Kyle and John's jobs. And people don't think they are going to pay him? Nonsense.

Pay him and then it's the GM's job to draft players to build around him and it's the coach's job to develop them. Not let them rot on the bench.

He's (potentially) saved jobs and gotten players paid off his back. A lot of people will look at Kyle and John sideways if they don't pay him. He's made nothing and done a lot already

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

A recurring theme....context is not added,...which makes the entire post void.

Purdy has been paid and will continue to paid. The 49ers have not once suggested that they will not pay Purdy. I haven't really seen anyone here suggest it either. So what is your point?

You keep posting, but haven't made a single opinion of your own about Purdy other than to ask hypotheticals and thumb down at other's people's points.

What exactly is YOUR opinion?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

You had him on 900k and he still had to carry you through the nfccg. He was on par with Mahomes through regulation of the Sb and you still didn't get it done. He held up his end of the bargain and guys like cmc and Kyle did not

Great point. Purdy likely saved Kyle and John's jobs. And people don't think they are going to pay him? Nonsense.

Pay him and then it's the GM's job to draft players to build around him and it's the coach's job to develop them. Not let them rot on the bench.

He's (potentially) saved jobs and gotten players paid off his back. A lot of people will look at Kyle and John sideways if they don't pay him. He's made nothing and done a lot already

John and Kyle saved his career by drafting him to begin with. We can continue to spin this round and round....

Players are paid based on potential. Who helped who more than the other isin't a factor when there's a salary cap and the objective is winning.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Brock Purdys worst PFF year rating and QBR(espn metric) is better than Bakers best year.

We're getting to the point on this forum where Purdy is actually becoming underrated. Interesting times!

Brock is currently the 14th overall passer on PFF baker is 10

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-purdy/77672
Purdy 82.4 10/71

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/baker-mayfield/46518
Baker 81.4 11/71

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Why look just at passing and cherry pick that stat? Rushing is a big part of Purdys game.

I said Purdys worst PFF year rating is better than Bakers which is true.

So Baker Mayfield hasn't been putting up MVP numbers then,...well okay.

Lol these numbers aren't finalizing any point one way or another. You do know that, right?

And rushing is not a big part of his game. That's simply not true. SF isn't running designed plays for him to rush. Matt Stafford has more rushing attempted according to PFF. Brock has only 2 more attempts than Joe Burrow.

and no one is saying Baker is some elite QB. He just got paid and it wasn't Dak money. Folks are trying to defend Brock over mayfield and we all know he's gonna get paid much more for whatever reason

I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

But whatever, it's nit picking. From what I've seen of your posts, I don't think our opinions vary all that much of Purdy. I probably think slightly higher of him than you but I don't think he's elite and has limitation as well.

Stats are made to cherry pick. There's always a way to use stats so they support your argument. One way is to pick a time frame that supports what you say while ignoring the time before and after.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think it's a bad look to not pay Purdy, and a lot of people like Gruden will call them out if they go the route some fans want them to

A recurring theme....context is not added,...which makes the entire post void.

Purdy has been paid and will continue to paid. The 49ers have not once suggested that they will not pay Purdy. I haven't really seen anyone here suggest it either. So what is your point?

You keep posting, but haven't made a single opinion of your own about Purdy other than to ask hypotheticals and thumb down at other's people's points.

What exactly is YOUR opinion?

My point is the forum is being drowned in too many of these empty posts. Purdy is going to be paid. If that's your only concern, then there is no concern.

Or would you care to suggest what his yearly cap hit limit should be?

Originally posted by random49er:

John and Kyle saved his career by drafting him to begin with. We can continue to spin this round and round....

Players are paid based on potential. Who helped who more than the other isin't a factor when there's a salary cap and the objective is winning.

Supposedly he was signing with the Vikings if we didn't draft him, so they did not save his career. Vikings would've been a great spot for him too

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
John and Kyle saved his career by drafting him to begin with. We can continue to spin this round and round....

Players are paid based on potential. Who helped who more than the other isin't a factor when there's a salary cap and the objective is winning.

Supposedly he was signing with the Vikings if we didn't draft him, so they did not save his career. Vikings would've been a great spot for him too

He could've been cut from the Vikings or rode the bench for 1 yr and be let go. He came into an excellent situation (superb roster and no clear-cut starter), thanks to John and Kyle that saved his career by drafting him.

Will he shave off $20M a year for them in an extension since they have been so nice?

Is this the way business works?

Originally posted by random49er:

He could've been cut from the Vikings or rode the bench for 1 yr and be let go. He came into an excellent situation, thanks to John and Kyle that saved his career by drafting him.

Will he shave off $20M a year for them in an extension since they have been so nice?

Is this the way business works?

I actually like the Vikings situation better than ours because of the weapons and better OL. Brock would've killed it there after Cousins injury

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
He could've been cut from the Vikings or rode the bench for 1 yr and be let go. He came into an excellent situation, thanks to John and Kyle that saved his career by drafting him.

Will he shave off $20M a year for them in an extension since they have been so nice?

Is this the way business works?

I actually like the Vikings situation better than ours because of the weapons and better OL. Brock would've killed it there after Cousins injury

Cousins may never have gotten injured if Purdy was there. And there's no guarantee he was making the team to begin with. Your forecasting of hypothetical past scenarios is far off, and they should certainly not be factored into a team's choice of future salary cap hits their starting QB will have,...when both of them -- the GM and the Coach -- have the common goal of keeping their jobs,...not REPAYMENT.

I wonder if that elbow is going to be a concern going forward. Brock was very worried when the injury happened and thought it might be the same injury again. When you're abot to hand out a big money long term contract it has to be a concern. They don't want to end up again with a QB that keeps getting injured.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

He could've been cut from the Vikings or rode the bench for 1 yr and be let go. He came into an excellent situation, thanks to John and Kyle that saved his career by drafting him.

Will he shave off $20M a year for them in an extension since they have been so nice?

Is this the way business works?

I actually like the Vikings situation better than ours because of the weapons and better OL. Brock would've killed it there after Cousins injury

Cousins may never have gotten injured if Purdy was there. And there's no guarantee he was making the team to begin with. Your forecasting of hypothetical past scenarios is far off, and they should certainly not be factored into a team's choice of future salary cap hits their starting QB will have,...when both of them -- the GM and the Coach -- have the common goal of keeping their jobs,...not REPAYMENT.

I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured. I think our team was a lot harder to make than the Vikes. Brock easily the backup there over Mullens

Originally posted by genus49:
The narrative with Brock this year is kind of crazy to me.

Yes it hasn't been his typical play and the numbers aren't great, the interceptions, especially lately are very ill timed and make things so much worse.

However if we're being real who on offense hasn't regressed this season?

Kittle
Jennings
McKivitz

Can we honestly say someone else has improved or stayed the same from last year? Puni is a rookie so there is no comparison.

That's not even bringing in the defensive issues and the special teams disasters.

The other part of it is Shanahan hasn't made things easy this year. Little playaction, almost no screen game - only recently has he started dialing them up more and it's when we have a mountain of injuries on the OL.

I've seen a few people lately bringing up how Purdy plays late in games...as if we forgot how he played late in playoff games last year and how he led us to game winning/comeback situations, one being in a bad weather game btw. Also funny enough but Brock is actually better this year trailing/tied in 4th qtr than last year but because of the other issues on the team it SEEMS like he's worse.

This is more of a Shanahan offense issue IMO. There are clearly holes in his scheme and based on our current personnel we're simply not good enough to play with a high rate of success in must pass situations.

Improve the OL and think about giving Brock more freedom at the line. Right now we're handicapping the kid letting Brendel call the protections and sucking out there.

i just think brock limits what we can do. saying he needs all worlds at every spot like 2023 isn't practical. lot of QBs can play ball with that. what are brock's traits. he plays fast, and he moves pretty quick. that's about all you got. he doesn't throw a crisp ball downfield or outside the numbers. he's not a major QB run threat. so we get all these soft tosses on the intermediate in breaking stuff and the other team parks their safeties there. it's just a hope the run game carries us offense. cuz the pass game cannot. you can't just drop back brock all day and have success, we get exposed pretty quick every time we do it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

Well what's your opinion? Is holding a player more responsible for collapsing late in games cherry picking? Or in close games, should stats within the first 5 minutes of the game matter just as much as the last 5 minutes of the 4th?

Like I said previously...let's add some context to these discussions. Do that and everything clears up.

I gave 3 common metrics used to evaluate a player. PFF, espn qbr, and normal qb rating.

I did not come up with these rating systems but referenced Purdy was higher than Mayfield. Supposedly PFF and ESPNs take into account throws and situations and not just raw numbers like the normal QB rating systems goes.

The cherry picking comment was what I thought NYNiner did by not using the players overall grade for PFF. That is what is commonly referenced.(TV, sports articles)