QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i just think brock limits what we can do. saying he needs all worlds at every spot like 2023 isn't practical. lot of QBs can play ball with that. what are brock's traits. he plays fast, and he moves pretty quick. that's about all you got. he doesn't throw a crisp ball downfield or outside the numbers. he's not a major QB run threat. so we get all these soft tosses on the intermediate in breaking stuff and the other team parks their safeties there. it's just a hope the run game carries us offense. cuz the pass game cannot. you can't just drop back brock all day and have success, we get exposed pretty quick every time we do it.

This suggests Deebo and Aiyuk are all world, which we all know is a lie

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

Well what's your opinion? Is holding a player more responsible for collapsing late in games cherry picking? Or in close games, should stats within the first 5 minutes of the game matter just as much as the last 5 minutes of the 4th?

Like I said previously...let's add some context to these discussions. Do that and everything clears up.

I gave 3 common metrics used to evaluate a player. PFF, espn qbr, and normal qb rating.

I did not come up with these rating systems but referenced Purdy was higher than Mayfield. Supposedly PFF and ESPNs take into account throws and situations and not just raw numbers like the normal QB rating systems goes.

The cherry picking comment was what I thought NYNiner did by not using the players overall grade for PFF. That is what is commonly referenced.(TV, sports articles)

But I'm asking you what you think about these ratings? Do you think every minute of a game should be weighted equally, regardless of the score? Forget NY for a second.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just think brock limits what we can do. saying he needs all worlds at every spot like 2023 isn't practical. lot of QBs can play ball with that. what are brock's traits. he plays fast, and he moves pretty quick. that's about all you got. he doesn't throw a crisp ball downfield or outside the numbers. he's not a major QB run threat. so we get all these soft tosses on the intermediate in breaking stuff and the other team parks their safeties there. it's just a hope the run game carries us offense. cuz the pass game cannot. you can't just drop back brock all day and have success, we get exposed pretty quick every time we do it.

This suggests Deebo and Aiyuk are all world, which we all know is a lie

i like to focus on what brock can do or what is he bringing to the table, irrespective of what is around him. he plays fast, and he can extend the play. but he doesn't throw a good ball. he can be accurate but his passes are very soft. and the heat map seems to be predictable. that's a problem or red flag. we saw that in the last game, 31 kept taking it off brock, in that intermediate middle we love to target. it's hard to see him developing when it comes to driving the ball on out routes or deep, you either have that or not, same with being a designed QB run threat. so it kinda constrains what we can do. a lot of run, and he's gonna be layering a lot of those balls over the middle. we need the run to be cooking.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest

You really expect all of Cousins' training, reps, and communication/interaction with his peers would've been exactly the same, even with another whole human in the QB room, that wasnt even guaranteed to make the team, btw?

Take some time and read up on these things.

Originally posted by random49er:

Next time your internet is working, do this search:

The cap is pretty meaningless, Marathe can be creative to make it work.
Whst would be the cap hit difference between between the two?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest

take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Better how? Purdy is much better than Carr, the career numbers show that.

Career numbers tell you which player is better right now, when the context is contract extension?

If that were the case, old, washed up players would still be making a fortune.

But Brock isn't old or washed up.

Everyone knows McCaffery, Aiyuk and Williams were useless this year. Those are the three best non-qb offensive players. That is why he didn't post MVP candidate numbers this year like he did last year. It isnt complicated.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:
Next time your internet is working, do this search:

The cap is pretty meaningless, Marathe can be creative to make it work.
Whst would be the cap hit difference between between the two?

The salary cap significantly impacts team positioning and competitive balance.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I honestly do not know how PFF comes up with the overall grade. (How much does passing and rushing weigh everything along with everything else) It still seems like cherry picking to not go with the overall grade as that usually is always what is referenced when that's used.

Well what's your opinion? Is holding a player more responsible for collapsing late in games cherry picking? Or in close games, should stats within the first 5 minutes of the game matter just as much as the last 5 minutes of the 4th?

Like I said previously...let's add some context to these discussions. Do that and everything clears up.

I gave 3 common metrics used to evaluate a player. PFF, espn qbr, and normal qb rating.

I did not come up with these rating systems but referenced Purdy was higher than Mayfield. Supposedly PFF and ESPNs take into account throws and situations and not just raw numbers like the normal QB rating systems goes.

The cherry picking comment was what I thought NYNiner did by not using the players overall grade for PFF. That is what is commonly referenced.(TV, sports articles)

But I'm asking you what you think about these ratings? Do you think every minute of a game should be weighted equally, regardless of the score? Forget NY for a second.

Definitely no. That's why I like to look at PFF and ESPNs QBR (even though I know they are flawed).

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Next time your internet is working, do this search:

The cap is pretty meaningless, Marathe can be creative to make it work.
Whst would be the cap hit difference between between the two?

The salary cap significantly impacts team positioning and competitive balance.

What would be the difference in cap hit between the two?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest

take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

Originally posted by random49er:

The salary cap significantly impacts team positioning and competitive balance.

There are teams who can handle it. Then there's the Baalkes and Jerry's. Our FO is better than that right?

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest

take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

In his hypothetical Brock gets cut for Mullens. Reaching all over the place lol dude hates Brock badly