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Originally posted by elguapo:
You are completely wrong on two points, which does not support your opinion whatsoever. You said that Kyle didn't all of a sudden forget how to call plays or no one is ever open? You do realize that Kyle's play calling was a lot worse this year than last year correct? Very very questionable (less play action, screens and so on). You also do realize and this is proven that our receivers got way less separation than they did in the past.

Another point you are completely wrong on, you said that our center did the same s**t last year. That is incorrect. He was bad last year. He was way worse this year. He's 35th rated out of all centers and he single-handedly cost us multiple games this year which he did not do last year. Not even close. I understand those two points support your argument that Brock isn't as good as everyone thinks and you've always tried to push this and that's fine. But you are wrong.

Brock does has his limitations but so does every single quarterback. Also saying that Brock should get paid more than Mayfield for "whatever reason" is comical. Here's a reason, because Brock is better, Brock's worst year has never even come close to Mayfield's. I'm glad Mayfield got better this year and he plays a little bit like Brock, but Brock extends plays and is a great runner. Last year in the playoffs, Brock was so damn clutch against the Lions and the Packers, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his regression this year. I am also giving the benefit of the doubt to quarterbacks like Stroud

Brock was top 15 in play-action attempts and the difference in him being top 10 and 14th is like 15 attempts. Sure they could have run it more. Still wasn't like they didn't at all.

I'm sorry so our $250M QB can only be good if he gets to throw a f**k ton of screens to guys like CMC and Deebo? If that's the case then he's not some amazing QB. Acting like he's not allowed to throw a check down is telling me you don't watch the film.

Brendel stinks, he's currently the 17th ranked center on PFF. He was just as bad last yr (16th overall).

Why does all our receivers have to lead in the in separation for him to be good? It's the NFL it's all about making tight window throws with anticipation for guys like Brock. He simply wasn't doing that at the level he was doing last yr. Period. We all know the roster was not close to it was last yr, it doesn't help Brock's case that he is more reliant on the players around him then some other highly paid QBs.

Brock's passer rating in the 2nd half of games that they were tied or trailing he was 20th in the league. Thats not good. Thats not clutch.

look man I don't hate Brock, I'm all for him getting extended and being the guy. He isn't that elite level QB that's gonna take over games and help lesser rosters be good. He ain't that and his pay check should reflect that. They HAVE to have a damn good roster around him to make it work and that cost money.

IMO Brock isn't better than baker. mayfield has been through like 8 HCs and over 8 OCs in his 8 yrs in the league. Brock was on one of the best rosters that the league has season in 5 yrs last yr, with a top 5 HC/OC. You're comparing apples to oranges because you're a fan.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Carrs rating is surprising. I know he started off the season red hot but I thought he dropped off a cliff and started sucking. I didn't follow the saints very much this season after the first few weeks though.

It's not surprising because he started out hot. Those games are doing the bulk of the work on his grade.

When you have big outliers and then miss lots of time where you can add more bad grades to balance it out it will do that.

Imagine if Brock was able to miss the KC game or the Buffalo/LA games with bad weather? It certainly would've helped out his grades.

It's no different than tossing in Brock's running grade on PFF. 23 rushing attempts is nothing and it absolutely inflates his overall score.

passing grade is what matters for a QB. It's like tossing in the DL coverage grade as part of their overall score.

I'm pretty sure their running grade takes into account scrambling. If you can't get away from the rush you can't get the pass off.

Overall I dislike using PFF grades because I have no idea how they actually grade and I've seen many flaws in their stuff including pass pro stuff.

Overall it's hard for me to say Brock has been a better QB this year than Baker. Now obviously when Baker was missing his two stud WRs his performances weren't as inspiring as they have been with them on the field, just another reminder that every QBs performance dips without their top guys.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Next time your internet is working, do this search:

The cap is pretty meaningless, Marathe can be creative to make it work.
Whst would be the cap hit difference between between the two?

The salary cap significantly impacts team positioning and competitive balance.

What would be the difference in cap hit between the two?

It depends on the negotiated terms that were signed to. Can you give them so I can answer your question?
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look at passing.

Baker 79
brock 76.3

and if you want to use someone else how about Carr? He's better than both. Let's use his contract numbers

Better how? Purdy is much better than Carr, the career numbers show that.

Career numbers tell you which player is better right now, when the context is contract extension?

If that were the case, old, washed up players would still be making a fortune.

But Brock isn't old or washed up.

But his career has comparatively been short. He hasn't proven to be a perennial-Pro-Bowl level player. So that adds risk to a potentially large sum of guaranteed money. I personally don't want my team to take more risks than they have to, and if you don't care, that doesn't mean that others shouldn't.

You thought Jimmy was as well,...and I'd correct you over and over how he's not, because he hasn't proven enough yet. You'd continually clown Matthew Stafford, a more-proven player, as a lesser player with less talent at the QB position.

Several years later....who was right on that? Me or you?
[ Edited by random49er on Jan 3, 2025 at 9:45 AM ]
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest


take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

In his hypothetical Brock gets cut for Mullens. Reaching all over the place lol dude hates Brock badly

lol....guaranteeing past hypothetical events after changing variables,...and these fictional, guaranteed outcomes are the reasons why Brock should get a boatload of guaranteed money ($50M+?) while still under contract? Gotta love the intellectuals...
[ Edited by random49er on Jan 3, 2025 at 9:49 AM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest


take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

In his hypothetical Brock gets cut for Mullens. Reaching all over the place lol dude hates Brock badly

lol....guaranteeing past hypothetical events after changing variables,...and these fictional, guaranteed outcomes are the reasons why Brock should get a boatload of guaranteed money ($50M+?) while still under contract? Gotta love the intellectuals...

I never said it's a reason he should get paid. That's just more bs from you. You said John and Kyle saved his career and they definitely didn't. He had a better situation waiting to sign him after the draft
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest


take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

In his hypothetical Brock gets cut for Mullens. Reaching all over the place lol dude hates Brock badly

lol....guaranteeing past hypothetical events after changing variables,...and these fictional, guaranteed outcomes are the reasons why Brock should get a boatload of guaranteed money ($50M+?) while still under contract? Gotta love the intellectuals...

I never said it's a reason he should get paid. That's just more bs from you. You said John and Kyle saved his career and they definitely didn't. He had a better situation waiting to sign him after the draft

If you are going to argue he saved John and Kyle's careers,...I can provide plenty of information to argue the reverse as well. Sorry that the truth hurts?

Here are Dak Prescott's current yearly cap hits before any further restructuring:



If you don't care about cap hits,...that's fine. Allow for the fans that do to debate the numbers instead of taking part in the discussion.
Originally posted by random49er:
If you are going to argue he saved John and Kyle's careers,...I can provide plenty of information to argue the reverse as well. Sorry that the truth hurts?

Here are Dak Prescott's current yearly cap hits before any further restructuring:



If you don't care about cap hits,...that's fine. Allow for the fans that do to debate the numbers instead of taking part in the discussion.

I said potentially saved their careers. He potentially did, and I'm sure in your hypothetical he doesn't. There is no right or wrong answer here

And that's the way a lot of people will see it. If this gets contentious dudes like Gruden and McAfee will be saying he saved your ass. Doesn't matter how you or I see it
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said potentially saved their careers.

If he potentially saved their careers, they potentially saved his career too then, while they were making millions already, and he wasnt making anything.

It's a wash. #MootPoint
Originally posted by genus49:
I'm pretty sure their running grade takes into account scrambling. If you can't get away from the rush you can't get the pass off.

Overall I dislike using PFF grades because I have no idea how they actually grade and I've seen many flaws in their stuff including pass pro stuff.

Overall it's hard for me to say Brock has been a better QB this year than Baker. Now obviously when Baker was missing his two stud WRs his performances weren't as inspiring as they have been with them on the field, just another reminder that every QBs performance dips without their top guys.

Adding the running grade when we're talking about him as a passer is silly imo. Our game plan doesn't toss in running plays for the QB. He is a plus scrambler. Both those guys are.

I believe he lost Evans half way through that Baltimore game and Godwin at the end of that game (Godwin much more) and he had like 900 yards 8TDs and 2 INTs with a 70% comp in that 4 game stretch (when he got Evans back).

End of the day no one is calling baker some elite QB. Same should be for Brock. Hopefully he gets better as he plays more. This season has not been what we all hoped for
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see what happens differently if Brock's the backup. Cousins still gets injured.

Historical events dont occur this way....lol. A leaf blowing East instead of West can change the course of future events, let alone an additonal QB possibly in the QB room. Again,...enough with the imagination stuff. It's going nowhere fast and it does not factor into anything.

Can you actually explain how a different backup changes the Cousins injury? Backup qb doesn't factor into this equation at all, but if you can find a way be my guest


take some time and read up on these things.

So you can't explain how a different person standing on the sideline changes what happens on the field. Got it

lol yeah he's really stretching there with that argument

In his hypothetical Brock gets cut for Mullens. Reaching all over the place lol dude hates Brock badly

lol....guaranteeing past hypothetical events after changing variables,...and these fictional, guaranteed outcomes are the reasons why Brock should get a boatload of guaranteed money ($50M+?) while still under contract? Gotta love the intellectuals...

I never said it's a reason he should get paid. That's just more bs from you. You said John and Kyle saved his career and they definitely didn't. He had a better situation waiting to sign him after the draft

If you are going to argue he saved John and Kyle's careers,...I can provide plenty of information to argue the reverse as well. Sorry that the truth hurts?

Here are Dak Prescott's current yearly cap hits before any further restructuring:



If you don't care about cap hits,...that's fine. Allow for the fans that do to debate the numbers instead of taking part in the discussion.

In no world should Brock be getting a deal like this


that is not fluff money.

If we're gonna use one of the higher end QB contracts it would be Jordan Love's imo and that's a bit rich
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 3, 2025 at 10:09 AM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said potentially saved their careers.

If he potentially saved their careers, they potentially saved his career too then, while they were making millions already, and he wasnt making anything.

It's a wash. #MootPoint

Very true, but it would take mistakes from the Vikes and any other team that picked him up for him to not have a career

The John and Kyle situation gets muddy without Brock. I can see them finding a way out of the Trey Lance thing and I can see them getting fired. I really don't see a way Brock doesn't have a nfl career though. Like I said it's possible, but would take a lot of mistakes
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Jan 3, 2025 at 10:08 AM ]
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


Just saying, if you also look at their stats with CMC (Jimmy had 8 full games with him?) - their numbers are a lot better, but also, almost identical :P
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