QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Also more to the picture:

One is a 2x Super Bowl Winner

One is a Super Bowl Loser

Lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It's a team game. Individual players are not carrying teams, including great QBs. Def not carrying them to playoff success and SB wins at least.

Herbert is in that top group for me because there's nothing he can't do on the football field that you'd reasonably expect from a QB. He has prototypical size, a top 2-3 arm in the game, he's extremely accurate, a very good decision maker, and he's mobile.

....which is why I put 'carry' in parenthesis in a previous post. No one person literally lifts an entire franchise to succeed. Herbert 'carries' his team because he makes others around them better due to his own talent, which is basically what you describe.

He is most certainly in a group with Mahomes/Burrow/Jackson/Allen in that regard. He may be the 5th of 5, but he is without a doubt a cut above every other QB in football.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ok. So then he can't carry a team lol. And this year it's the run game / defense doing the work.

He might be able to. But he hasn't come close to the level of the other 4 in that regard.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
....which is why I put 'carry' in parenthesis in a previous post. No one person literally lifts an entire franchise to succeed. Herbert 'carries' his team because he makes others around them better due to his own talent, which is basically what you describe.

He is most certainly in a group with Mahomes/Burrow/Jackson/Allen in that regard. He may be the 5th of 5, but he is without a doubt a cut above every other QB in football.

Agreed. I would prob take him 3rd or 4th personally.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol what is this bold here. i like your stuff guap, and i can say also that i was wrong here on brock. this can be one of the three or four times in 20 year WZ history, where someone admitted being wrong. he's just not throwing the ball well, and that's a big part of playing the QB position. it just is. NY from the jump was telling me about brock's arm and i was saying no his arm is fine he can make all the throws, well i see from this season that he had that one correct. any fans out there watching these passes, it is frustrating i'll tell you everything is a lobbed pass. heck dobbs came in for a few throws, and i was like ok, now the ball is coming out with more authority. this is dobbs for crying out loud, he's not anybody crazy.

The bold as you mentioned has been very helpful for some people if they are willing to accept their issues and have a desire to change. This is my field. I am an associate psychologist (until my hours are complete soon) and I have helped a few members on this particular website not to mention so many other people that have some obvious issues. Anyways, hope that answered your question because a lot of people are also in denial or don't want to change which is completely fine as well.

anyways, about Brock, his arm looks weaker than last year (at least since his shoulder injury) that is not some of us being wrong and NY being right, it's just that I doubt his arm strength diminished in a year so it's a wait and see to me. All of us knew from the start, his arm was weaker, but we loved him going down field and taking chances. If it has so be it, That's why he has his anticipation, which is elite, great ball placement, and accuracy which will help with his weaker arm and has helped him as a qb.

Originally posted by elguapo:

serious question NY, just for your mental health and well-being, have you ever considered therapy or have you seen a therapist? Your posts really bring out some issues and it can affect other parts of one's life in a negative way. I think it would help you so much.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
23rd in total yards. 11th in ppg. It's a middling offense.

....the Chiefs aren't much better. Nobody is saying Herbert is Mahomes, but given the talent around Herbert, he is more than 'carrying' that offense. What would that offense be without Herbert? We are talking bottom 3-5 style.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Then why didn't he carry the team last season? They were 5 and 12 lol.

Because coaching/defense/injuries matter. Burrow's defense this year is s**t.....do you hold that against him? The Chargers had arguably the worst HC in football last year + a bad defense + Herbert missed 3 or 4 games. It all added up to a terrible season.

Well, let's just do the Brock Purdy route which you guys are saying, don't make excuses. He should've carried his team and overcame that if he is a great quarterback, which he is not. Sounds familiar, huh? Can't have it both ways guys. The hypocrisy is wild.

Chase is a top 3 wr and Higgins is always open even if he is covered. Purdy has had never had anything close to that.

Herbert had elite weapons in Eckler, Allen and Williams And couldn't do much except for lose in the playoffs and not elevate his team.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Well, let's just do the Brock Purdy route which you guys are saying, don't make excuses. He should've carried his team and overcame that if he is a great quarterback, which he is not. Sounds familiar, huh? Can't have it both ways guys. The hypocrisy is wild.

Chase is a top 3 wr and Higgins is always open even if he is covered. Purdy has had never had anything close to that.

Herbert had elite weapons in Eckler, Allen and Williams And couldn't do much except for lose in the playoffs and not elevate his team.

Brock had a better situation in 22 and 23 than Herbert or Burrow have ever had. Yea, you could make the point that Burrow's top two wide receivers were better than ours, but you also have to account for the top tier running game and HoF TE. That's not including coaching. To be fair, Brock capitalized on those assets well and had one of the more efficient season's we've seen.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by elguapo:

serious question NY, just for your mental health and well-being, have you ever considered therapy or have you seen a therapist? Your posts really bring out some issues and it can affect other parts of one's life in a negative way. I think it would help you so much.

Right lol? What weird thing to say. Can't talk football, so let's revert to talking about personal stuff

I love my life lol. Everything is good there. I don't need to make up stuff in a football forum, unlike others.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right lol? What weird thing to say. Can't talk football, so let's revert to talking about personal stuff

I love my life lol. Everything is good there. I don't need to make up stuff in a football forum, unlike others.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Well, let's just do the Brock Purdy route which you guys are saying, don't make excuses. He should've carried his team and overcame that if he is a great quarterback, which he is not. Sounds familiar, huh? Can't have it both ways guys. The hypocrisy is wild.

Chase is a top 3 wr and Higgins is always open even if he is covered. Purdy has had never had anything close to that.

Herbert had elite weapons in Eckler, Allen and Williams And couldn't do much except for lose in the playoffs and not elevate his team.

When Herbert had those guys in full flight, he could throw for 5000 yards. The problem? He had Brandon Staley as HC and a defense that ranked 29th in the NFL....like 2021. Go find a QB who can overcome that.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
....which is why I put 'carry' in parenthesis in a previous post. No one person literally lifts an entire franchise to succeed. Herbert 'carries' his team because he makes others around them better due to his own talent, which is basically what you describe.

He is most certainly in a group with Mahomes/Burrow/Jackson/Allen in that regard. He may be the 5th of 5, but he is without a doubt a cut above every other QB in football.

Agreed. I would prob take him 3rd or 4th personally.

Yep, and if you gave him Chase/Higgins , he'd easily be that high up.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agreed. I would prob take him 3rd or 4th personally.

How would you rank those 5?

Originally posted by elguapo:
Well, let's just do the Brock Purdy route which you guys are saying, don't make excuses. He should've carried his team and overcame that if he is a great quarterback, which he is not. Sounds familiar, huh? Can't have it both ways guys. The hypocrisy is wild.

Chase is a top 3 wr and Higgins is always open even if he is covered. Purdy has had never had anything close to that.

Herbert had elite weapons in Eckler, Allen and Williams And couldn't do much except for lose in the playoffs and not elevate his team.

Herbert is currently going to the playoffs and his best WR is a rookie slot WR. He's got 3 INTs.

He's got multiple seasons of 4,500+ yards and 30+ TDs.

Burrow's OL is dog s**t and has been for years. You want to cry about centers, Karras has been bad. Herbert's center Bozeman has been f**king awful.

Burrow and Herbert have never had a roster of Deebo/BA/kittle and CMC. Acting like that's just a normal roster is being ridiculous.

Herbert is absolutely a better QB than Brock, the only place that's even being debated is in a 49er fan forum