QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

This is all straw man. We'd like to have better receivers and line, but we saw last year we don't NEED amazing receivers and line

last year it was the best LT in the game, shanny on the playsheet, mvp level RB, Kittle, BA breaking out, deebo, jennings, and on it goes

how do you look at that LT and those playmakers and say 'meh'

Trent is one player on a 5 man unit. The line wasn't good and it completely fell apart when he got injured in Cleveland in missed games

Aiyuk and Deebo are a meh combo. Deebo was known for his versatility, he's never been seen as a Chase or Jefferson type. Aiyuk isn't a great playmaker

It was a good group of players with cmc and Kittle being the elite weapons. You give all the credit to cmc, but we've seen him go off and the qb still suck. I'm not saying it's a bad situation, but the OL and receivers were overrated

Originally posted by NYniner85:


There's a lot of hypocrisy and extremes to defend narratives in here.

Our QB is elite BUT he needs to have a loaded roster to play well. We NEED amazing pass catchers BUT everyone will have a meltdown if we spend a bunch of money on them/draft one early lol. Constant hate about BA and paying him, then b***hing about not having receivers when he's hurt. They want brock locked into one of the largest contacts in football AND also want to have the space jam monstars surrounding him…but don't want to spend money or picks to make that happen

Elite.. but only as good as the people around him lol...
Kind of the same talking pts for over a year and a half now. We had a s**t ton of adversity this season, he is still learning and adjusting. I think with Aiyuk..the frustration came when the dude didn't feel like going to camp then dropped balls when he showed up to work cause he was outta rhythm. Also, the guy was acting like a two year old at times lol. But he looked like he was getting back on track, getting his groove back..then snap..his leg goes. BA was fantastic but kinda wish he had done things a bit differently. I get he wanted to get paid but, yeah lol. The good thing is Ricky looks like he is getting some rhythm, so, excited to see where it goes.

Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

You have to be good in everything, then have luck - to win a Championship.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

It needs to be a contract we can escape from in a few years with little dead money for years. I am in with Brock and let's ride this out but sorry I was not a Jimmy fan and they just wouldn't shake him out. I hope for not another five or six year run if average play.

Three years seems fair for all sides(with escape clause-five year deal) If it works then keep on going. If not good, then a regime change coming in a couple of years.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

You have to be good in everything, then have luck - to win a Championship.

Agree. My point is that everyone's way too impatient. If Brock was a first round pick I don't even think extending him would be a debate regardless of how things turned out this year (See CJ Stroud for example). It's just every time Brock makes a bone headed play or any mistake it's "oh see there you go turning back into a pumpkin." People are expecting and waiting for a collapse. The truth is he's AT BEST Drew Brees 1.1 and AT WORST a he's Gardner Minshew. Unfortunately we don't know which one yet but I'd say it's like 55-45 on the plus side lol. Before the season I would have said 70-30.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

It needs to be a contract we can escape from in a few years with little dead money for years. I am in with Brock and let's ride this out but sorry I was not a Jimmy fan and they just wouldn't shake him out. I hope for not another five or six year run if average play.

Three years seems fair for all sides(with escape clause-five year deal) If it works then keep on going. If not good, then a regime change coming in a couple of years.

I agree I just think he's going to get a 4-6 year deal that averages out to 53.5-56.5m/year. I can't see him taking less than Tua.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

Good post. I don't think Brock needs any more elite players around him as the other QB's who are not Mahomes and Lamar and Allen. Give him some core players who are good and I think the 49ers will be ok. A lot of the talk about Brock needing elite talent at about every position comes from talking heads like Colin Cowherd etc etc.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

You have to be good in everything, then have luck - to win a Championship.

Agree. My point is that everyone's way too impatient. If Brock was a first round pick I don't even think extending him would be a debate regardless of how things turned out this year (See CJ Stroud for example). It's just every time Brock makes a bone headed play or any mistake it's "oh see there you go turning back into a pumpkin." People are expecting and waiting for a collapse. The truth is he's AT BEST Drew Brees 1.1 and AT WORST a he's Gardner Minshew. Unfortunately we don't know which one yet but I'd say it's like 55-45 on the plus side lol. Before the season I would have said 70-30.

Yeah, way too much of an overreaction. If Brock had this kind of year with all his playmakers, then that's one thing. But, he was on his own, throwing and playing with backups. Come on, you got to know the difference, right?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Aside from maybe Tom Brady I can't think of any "elite" QB that's won a Super Bowl without a decent supporting cast and good defense. On the other hand we've seen loaded talented rosters win it all with average QBs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, and a couple others I'm sure). Shuffling QBs every 3 years hoping to land the next Mahomes is silly. Brock's done enough. Pay him and continue to develop him. Keep him surrounded with some core weapons and design plays that get him into a rhythm early.

You have to be good in everything, then have luck - to win a Championship.

Luck aka lack of injury. That last two times we were in the sb, we were relatively healthy overall ad a roster which didn't challenge our lack of depth

Brady had a good defense and special teams that often gave him good field position. They kept games close so he didn't face a lot of large deficits. JG was like that in 2019. His offense ws betyter than Brady's but the Niners defense was the reason they went to the SB. They were #1 in pass defense. #2 overall in yards allowed. #8 in points allowed. Much like Brady they rarely trailed by more than one score.

A great defense can make up for a lot of offensive deficiencies. Just ask Bears fans who saw that great '85 defense lead a team to SB victory with a very average offense. They had Walter Payton and not much else.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Brady had a good defense and special teams that often gave him good field position. They kept games close so he didn't face a lot of large deficits. JG was like that in 2019. His offense ws betyter than Brady's but the Niners defense was the reason they went to the SB. They were #1 in pass defense. #2 overall in yards allowed. #8 in points allowed. Much like Brady they rarely trailed by more than one score.

A great defense can make up for a lot of offensive deficiencies. Just ask Bears fans who saw that great '85 defense lead a team to SB victory with a very average offense. They had Walter Payton and not much else.

Ya gotta get the defense back on track. It hasn't been bad, but it hasn't been that good either. We need to get back to being at least top ten in TO battle, pass defense, run defense, and PPG.

Really hoping Saleh comes back.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Brady had a good defense and special teams that often gave him good field position. They kept games close so he didn't face a lot of large deficits. JG was like that in 2019. His offense ws betyter than Brady's but the Niners defense was the reason they went to the SB. They were #1 in pass defense. #2 overall in yards allowed. #8 in points allowed. Much like Brady they rarely trailed by more than one score.

A great defense can make up for a lot of offensive deficiencies. Just ask Bears fans who saw that great '85 defense lead a team to SB victory with a very average offense. They had Walter Payton and not much else.

Ya gotta get the defense back on track. It hasn't been bad, but it hasn't been that good either. We need to get back to being at least top ten in TO battle, pass defense, run defense, and PPG.

Really hoping Saleh comes back.

The turnovers have really been lacking the last 5 games.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


There's a lot of hypocrisy and extremes to defend narratives in here.

Our QB is elite BUT he needs to have a loaded roster to play well. We NEED amazing pass catchers BUT everyone will have a meltdown if we spend a bunch of money on them/draft one early lol. Constant hate about BA and paying him, then b***hing about not having receivers when he's hurt. They want brock locked into one of the largest contacts in football AND also want to have the space jam monstars surrounding him…but don't want to spend money or picks to make that happen

Elite.. but only as good as the people around him lol...
Kind of the same talking pts for over a year and a half now. We had a s**t ton of adversity this season, he is still learning and adjusting. I think with Aiyuk..the frustration came when the dude didn't feel like going to camp then dropped balls when he showed up to work cause he was outta rhythm. Also, the guy was acting like a two year old at times lol. But he looked like he was getting back on track, getting his groove back..then snap..his leg goes. BA was fantastic but kinda wish he had done things a bit differently. I get he wanted to get paid but, yeah lol. The good thing is Ricky looks like he is getting some rhythm, so, excited to see where it goes.

Exactly Montana. It's really hard for people to accept reality sometimes.

I think we keep Deebo one more year because BA won't be ready but after this next year he's gone and Ricky will take over. Then we may actually have two receivers that are good at separating.

with our cakewalk of a schedule next year looks like we will be this year's Philadelphia Eagles. So many good players and talent just under performing with new DC (except injuries to every all pro/pro bowl player in our case).

Next year, 13-4 book it!

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


There's a lot of hypocrisy and extremes to defend narratives in here.

Our QB is elite BUT he needs to have a loaded roster to play well. We NEED amazing pass catchers BUT everyone will have a meltdown if we spend a bunch of money on them/draft one early lol. Constant hate about BA and paying him, then b***hing about not having receivers when he's hurt. They want brock locked into one of the largest contacts in football AND also want to have the space jam monstars surrounding him…but don't want to spend money or picks to make that happen

Elite.. but only as good as the people around him lol...

I am in my 50s and have seen a ton of college and NFL football overt he last 45-ish years.... When someone is successful, I always ask my self what does he do that is so different then all the rest?

One of the most common answers is the players situation

I really think there are FEW players that could not put up good to great numbers in a good situation. Hell...the best time to "judge" someone place in history is when the situation is not really good.

Heck in most cases a players legacy really comes down to 10-20 plays over their career. It is super rare when you see someone like Jerry Rice that just mud stomps their contemporaries.

What I think Brock has that is unique is his mindset. I really think Brock is about 3/4ths of a young Brett Farve. He has alot of that gunslinger in him, just does not have Farve's arm. There has not been alot of dude that will press the ball deep, and not be a turnover machine.

Brock has real value, but like alot of QBs....no...a better word is...most...like most QBs, he needs help.

I hope this team, gets him the best line they can, and let the WR/RBs. be by committee in the future.

I think NY is being very fair. Brock is special, but at this point in his career...he needs more help than the top 5 QBs in this league. Sure he can match their production in the right situation...hell he could possibly pull a Brees and lead the league in the right situation...but right now he needs that "situation" more then some other QBs.