QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
then add 2022 in also

I don't know if you missed my post, but I referenced Tua in my last reply to you.

Tua led the league in 2022 in every one of those categories, except for QBR where he was 3rd. Was he an elite QB? I think the very obvious answer is no.

He was a QB who played well in a great offense.

consistently is key, Brock was awesome in 2022. if he would have came in earlier in the year he could have taken ROTY and have some MVP votes

In a down year for Brock, he still managed to be in the top ten in some categories. He didn't fall of a cliff

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
YAY! Brock just informed the media that he is willing to give the 49'ers a huge discount to get this done quickly. Everybody wins that way🎊

Deep down Brock knows how fortunate he was to even be given this opportunity. I knew he is a smart man!

The real truth is he is playing smart and knows he's not in that very top level and also knows if paid like that and it goes a little south, even for a short while, the bs behind the outside noise could make him miserable.

I don't know what he's going to settle on but the dude is even smarter then I realized if he comes in a bit more upper mid-tier. If your truly good, and young, top deal can be had the next contract.

Is $40m not enough to live on? Let's get real here. He still needs to prove his worth another year or so.

I don't believe there will be a lot of drama around Brock Purdy's contract, to be honest. If San Francisco thinks he's their guy for the foreseeable future then you don't piss around with contract talks, and I believe the 49ers want to keep him around. I think Brock's contract is going to be a lot of money because that is the nature of the game. The cap number keeps rising a lot which increases what a QB was worth. Does Brock belong in the Goff, Love, and Tua range? Probably. Don't think he's worth that? Ask yourself, given Dak's contract what do you think Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen would be worth at today's prices if they were heading to free agency? 70? 75?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
consistently is key, Brock was awesome in 2022. if he would have came in earlier in the year he could have taken ROTY and have some MVP votes

In a down year for Brock, he still managed to be in the top ten in some categories. He didn't fall of a cliff

The point is that stats are heavily influenced by team and situation. Nobody would argue Brock didn't play well in 2022 and 2023… outside of contrarian personalities and click-bait artists. That said, it would probably be wiser to judge the team using those stats rather than the individual player. They tell you something about a player's performance, but can be misleading and are definitely not a complete snapshot of a player's performance.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i know he was up there in the ranks. i haven't checked in a long time and it sounds like you have.

How many stats was he number 1 at?

TD percentage, YPA, AY/A, YPC, passer rating, QBR.

add in the ones close to number 1 and you would have a great example of some playing at an elite level

Now do same thing for 2024 in all those categories.

then add 2022 in also

No I don't want an average of all three years. I know he played at an elite/super high level his first two years. But the amount of drop off from 2022 and 2023 this year was alarming and to an extent where I cannot confidently project anymore elite play from 2022 and 2023.

I don't want to pay for past performance. Contracts are for future performance and his most recent 20 games looks awful and certainly not worthy of big money especially to a QB with almost no elite tangible traits.

Like I said, pay him but we need an out after the 2026 season where we can move on if he plays like he did this year.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Those arfe stats. The true definition of elite is someome who stands out and is unique. Accumulating stats is great but you can do that without being elite.

Example. QBs can have a lot of yards even by throwing short pases. We saw that with JG.and others have done the same. They can throw INTs even when they are right on target and the receiver doesn't handle the pass. They can take sacks because of bad O line play or because they aren't seeing the field well.

My point is stats don't mean a whole lot. Using terms like elite or franchise are fine except they don't really have anty tdefined definition. What one guy calls elite another person might call average. Neither is right or wrong. Just an opinion. The true elites usually have no arguments. Montana. Marino. Mahomes. Brady. These guys were elite and nobody would argue. They won under all types of conditions and with or without great talent.

Statistics measure what makes someone stand out.
If you lead the league in a bunch of categories, you're elite.
He was elite in 2023.

Stats are number s that can be manipulated to make someone look good or bad. They ahve so many different ones now that you can find a number for just about everything. Here's another rexample. You can have a high passer rting without ever throwing more than 20 yards. Avoid INTs and get lot's of YAC. That's all you need. That doesn't make you better than a QB that throws a lot of deep passes which come with more risk and may result in more INTs and a lower completion percentage. Stats don't equal championships. In fact stat leaders are often on teams that trail a lot so they have to throw more often. Any team that uses stats as their main wat to measure a QB is probably making big mistake.

The Niners better hope they're making the right decision if they end up paying Brock $50 million or more for 4 or 5 years. The wong decision can drag a franchise down for years. It's not like making bad draft pick. Teams have one starting QB and if he ends up being the wrong guy you have Dallas or Cleveland. Brock has shown ability but he hasn't shown he can come up big in big games when trailing. He's also had one serious injury in his short career. Now he has an injury to that same elbow. Just be wary and don't make a bad decision like they did with JG. That ended up costing them 2 years of #1 picks.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
I don't believe there will be a lot of drama around Brock Purdy's contract, to be honest. If San Francisco thinks he's their guy for the foreseeable future then you don't piss around with contract talks, and I believe the 49ers want to keep him around. I think Brock's contract is going to be a lot of money because that is the nature of the game. The cap number keeps rising a lot which increases what a QB was worth. Does Brock belong in the Goff, Love, and Tua range? Probably. Don't think he's worth that? Ask yourself, given Dak's contract what do you think Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen would be worth at today's prices if they were heading to free agency? 70? 75?

I hate the Dak compare. He's not smart. He's greedy. If he could have bled another $5m a year he would. The next man up is bs. If Jimmy G we're still here and still playing the way he did (hated it) he'd be $70m a year plus now. It's BS.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
The real truth is he is playing smart and knows he's not in that very top level and also knows if paid like that and it goes a little south, even for a short while, the bs behind the outside noise could make him miserable.

I don't know what he's going to settle on but the dude is even smarter then I realized if he comes in a bit more upper mid-tier. If your truly good, and young, top deal can be had the next contract.

Is $40m not enough to live on? Let's get real here. He still needs to prove his worth another year or so.

Very true! In a realistic assessment, $40 million is more than enough for Brock. He still needs to prove himself. Just like Kaepernick and Jimmy G, they had the talent around them just like Brock and did exactly what Brock did with it - NFCCG and Super Bowl appearances. Unfortunately, both were unable to prove themselves - one ended up unemployed and the other an NFL backup. As of now, it's uncertain if Brock will end up differently especially after having this past year of remarkable mediocrity because the elite talent around him was gone. Brock is being both realistic, fair and smart in offering the 49'ers a huge discount - which I think will be around $35-40 million/year.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i know he was up there in the ranks. i haven't checked in a long time and it sounds like you have.

How many stats was he number 1 at?

TD percentage, YPA, AY/A, YPC, passer rating, QBR.

add in the ones close to number 1 and you would have a great example of some playing at an elite level

Now do same thing for 2024 in all those categories.

then add 2022 in also

No I don't want an average of all three years. I know he played at an elite/super high level his first two years. But the amount of drop off from 2022 and 2023 this year was alarming and to an extent where I cannot confidently project anymore elite play from 2022 and 2023.

I don't want to pay for past performance. Contracts are for future performance and his most recent 20 games looks awful and certainly not worthy of big money especially to a QB with almost no elite tangible traits.

Like I said, pay him but we need an out after the 2026 season where we can move on if he plays like he did this year.

you don't need to avg the years.. it's just simple counting 2 great years and 1 so so year filled with injuries.

The 49ers were 4th in passing and 11th in total offense until Brock was benched for the last game. If we get most back healthy and add key pieces from FA and the draft, Brock will have no issues getting us back to the NFCCG

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

I don't know if you missed my post, but I referenced Tua in my last reply to you.

Tua led the league in 2022 in every one of those categories, except for QBR where he was 3rd. Was he an elite QB? I think the very obvious answer is no.

He was a QB who played well in a great offense.

Tua threw for 3700 yards in 2022.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Tua threw for 3700 yards in 2022.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the point, but he threw for that number in 13 games. He averaged more yards per game than Purdy did in 23.

He still has a year left lol. Get what done quickly?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Seattle would pay him and then he would be smashing us twice a year the same way he was crushing them...

I don't think you'd really want to risk that.

day 1 and we hit peak offseason
new record folks

you would be ok with Purdy being up in Seattle?

let me put it this way, i wouldn't be quaking in my boots if he was. he can do some things well, and he's very limited in other areas. hard to say he's the ideal guy to run the shanny offense.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

No I don't want an average of all three years. I know he played at an elite/super high level his first two years. But the amount of drop off from 2022 and 2023 this year was alarming and to an extent where I cannot confidently project anymore elite play from 2022 and 2023.

I don't want to pay for past performance. Contracts are for future performance and his most recent 20 games looks awful and certainly not worthy of big money especially to a QB with almost no elite tangible traits.

Like I said, pay him but we need an out after the 2026 season where we can move on if he plays like he did this year.

3 of the 4 best non-QB offensive players were absolutely useless this year.

That's the cause of the dropoff.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Seattle would pay him and then he would be smashing us twice a year the same way he was crushing them...

I don't think you'd really want to risk that.

day 1 and we hit peak offseason
new record folks

you would be ok with Purdy being up in Seattle?

let me put it this way, i wouldn't be quaking in my boots if he was. he can do some things well, and he's very limited in other areas. hard to say he's the ideal guy to run the shanny offense.

limited in what areas.. you're number one defense for a certain QB was win%.. why wouldn't that work now?