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Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Uhh that's not how I read his full comments at all. He said he wants it to be done early so there is no mini camp disruption, no time missed.

I could be misreading your post....but what I am taking from you is something akin to Brock telling the 49ers "I don't want any drama from you, we need this done early, so there is no mini camp disruption no time missed."

Having listened to the entire interview....I am 200% sure he did not mean anything like that

Could I be wrong? Sure...but I highly doubt it.

In my opinion Brock went way out of his way to make sure a few things were known.

1. He is a 49er and whatever it takes, he is going to remain a 49er if it is with-in his power.

2. His primary focus is improving as a QB and a team. He wanted to push money to the back burner, does not want to talk about it...this is about football.

3. He either has "no idea" how new contracts work, or wants to end the questioning about new contracts with the I have never done this before answer. That gave him cover for number 4.

4. He did not say he would not holdout.

5. He did say he would be the professional. I took that to mean if he DID holdout, it would look nothing like BA or TW or Deebo. I expect we would get radio silence from his side, and this would not play out with competing sound bites being lobed back and forth.

I am with NY on this one....I don't think we see a holdout over fake "ego" money. You know the whole "I gotta get 30m a year!!" but when you read the fine print it was always 20m a year when the final year was voided...but somebody had to get their name in the paper as one of the highest paid guys.... I dont think we see any of that.

Heck I don't think we see a holdout at all...but if there is one...it's going to be something fundamental, and I would speculate having to do with injury protection incase his arm does not last out his career.

The x factor is the agent. My guess is Purdy says give me around market value for 5 -6 years and he has zero issues structuring it in a way that helps the roster around him etc.

I dont envision a holdout unless the niners are seriously low balling him.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Brock Purdy's year 3 is much better than Josh Allen's year 3.

Allen had 4,500 37TDs 10 INTS complete 69% of his balls with 420 rushing yards an 8 TDs. The bills went 13-3 in his 3rd yr.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He had a subpar year as a former 7th round pick? What do you mean?

While the team holds all the chips all the other players are watching. So go ahead and strong arm your franchise qb then see how free agents and others players behave once it's their turn. You don't want to create that negativity is my point.

it's a two way street too. I think TW and BA helped derail this season by being stubborn idiots.

I can't imagine that the season was derailed because a WR and LT held out. You're starting FQB doing that is way different.

Agreed on the FQB, but TW admitted he came back because Pearsall was shot. So we know he was being a hardass. Aiyuk was our #1 WR and admitted he made it way more difficult than it needed to be. That stuff hurts and adds up. They need to be in camp. Bosa admitted missing camp hurt him etc. Derailed may be a strong word, but its also not wrong.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Brock Purdy was asked to play hero ball all season. I don't blame him for making a lot of bad decisions in those circumstances. He's a young QB who is still learning. He needs to understand when to check it down. I don't like Tom Brady as an announcer but he did make a good point about how the check down needs to be your #1 read when defenses are playing a certain way. Scrap the designed progression and just check it down right away. He needs to set his risk/reward dial back a little. It's funny all these national pundits think he's a checkdown QB when he's actually more of a gunslinger that is way too aggressive right now.

Brock has been playing hero ball since college. This wasn't just a this yr thing. That's kinda what he is. He's got a gunslinger mentality, but doesn't really have a gun.

I think a lot of the time there's a check down available for him. He's gotta diagnose things quicker in the future and be okay with getting positive yards, especially in those early downs. I do think he was pressured to do more because of everything around him. However, that's not gonna change after he gets paid.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Brock Purdy was asked to play hero ball all season. I don't blame him for making a lot of bad decisions in those circumstances. He's a young QB who is still learning. He needs to understand when to check it down. I don't like Tom Brady as an announcer but he did make a good point about how the check down needs to be your #1 read when defenses are playing a certain way. Scrap the designed progression and just check it down right away. He needs to set his risk/reward dial back a little. It's funny all these national pundits think he's a checkdown QB when he's actually more of a gunslinger that is way too aggressive right now.

Brock has been playing hero ball since college. This wasn't just a this yr thing. That's kinda what he is. He's got a gunslinger mentality, but doesn't really have a gun.

I think a lot of the time there's a check down available for him. He's gotta diagnose things quicker in the future and be okay with getting positive yards, especially in those early downs. I do think he was pressured to do more because of everything around him. However, that's not gonna change after he gets paid.

Brock needs a good (give us great!) o-line and he will be fine. The hero ball is important when playing those playoff defenses. Heck, Allen did it last year and thats why they lost to the Chiefs. You sometimes just need to take what they are giving you and beat them with a 1000 cuts etc.

Purdy is a natural pocket guy who looks deep then works his way closer which is fine by me. He doesn't like to scramble etc. But I think both of us noted his style and need for a good line two years ago, yet here we are with an even worse line so I have little faith.
Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

I'm not saying Purdy isn't the best QB we've had in a long time (he is) but I'm saying you can't give a guy money simply because he's the best option you have available. Some guys have the talent to win and put the teams on their back, others require all the talent around them to rise.

You kinda have too.

You have a window, and during that window...your total talent has to meet a threshold if you want to win it all. Most of the time that means you can't risk not having a QB.

You might end up with an Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning, but you can't risk an Alex Smith.

I don't think you waste the years you have potential HOF guys at RB,TE, LT, DE and LB by deciding to not spent the money you set aside for your QB who finished the season 7th in QBR, 5th in yards per game and 3rd in yards per attempt becuase he is not Josh Allen.

Sure if you could get Josh Allen...pay Josh Allen...but you can't...I don't think you can just go and sign ANY of the other top 5 guys most years either.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed on the FQB, but TW admitted he came back because Pearsall was shot. So we know he was being a hardass. Aiyuk was our #1 WR and admitted he made it way more difficult than it needed to be. That stuff hurts and adds up. They need to be in camp. Bosa admitted missing camp hurt him etc. Derailed may be a strong word, but its also not wrong.

Everyone made it more difficult, not just the players. SF had all off season to figure it out with both guys. This isn't just a one or two guy thing…every single big extension resulted in a "holdout" and guys not participating in TC or other off season stuff. That's on the FO to get their priorities in check and get it done asap. Quit p***y footing around. They end up paying these guys basically what they want anyway.

IMO they need to go about it that stuff differently. Hopefully it starts with the QB.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Brock Purdy was asked to play hero ball all season. I don't blame him for making a lot of bad decisions in those circumstances. He's a young QB who is still learning. He needs to understand when to check it down. I don't like Tom Brady as an announcer but he did make a good point about how the check down needs to be your #1 read when defenses are playing a certain way. Scrap the designed progression and just check it down right away. He needs to set his risk/reward dial back a little. It's funny all these national pundits think he's a checkdown QB when he's actually more of a gunslinger that is way too aggressive right now.

This was a problem. Josh Allen does this, throws MANY poorly timed INTs, but people gush over him because BIG MAN STRONG.

And yes, Brock needs to utilize the checkdown more often. Make defenses cheat up, then burn them with a deeper pass. That is how Montana did it, and it still works today.

And how about some more screens? Among the fewest screens (or passes behind the LOS) in the league since Brock took over. Although, we need the blockers to get on their targets...
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Brock needs a good (give us great!) o-line and he will be fine. The hero ball is important when playing those playoff defenses. Heck, Allen did it last year and thats why they lost to the Chiefs. You sometimes just need to take what they are giving you and beat them with a 1000 cuts etc.

Purdy is a natural pocket guy who looks deep then works his way closer which is fine by me. He doesn't like to scramble etc. But I think both of us noted his style and need for a good line two years ago, yet here we are with an even worse line so I have little faith.

The OL hasn't been great for a while. The OL last yr wasn't great, yet Brock played amazing. I'm all for building up the OL. Him making elite money makes that s**t harder though, that's the truth of it.

SF has to get back to running the ball and using play-action more. Build up the trenches on both sides and get healthy. They have a ridiculously easy schedule next yr and should be planning on making a SB push.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Aren't you a 49ers fan? Are you a fan of the 80s and 90s 49ers?

How is it that 49ers fans talk about short throws and run after the catch to knock quarterbacks?

There are tons of arguments against the Queefs' quarterback. His numbers have been terrible in 2023 and 2024 despite playing for the best offensive mind in football. He ranked 33rd in air yards per completion this season. People mistakenly think that because he makes the easiest throws look more difficult with his horrible mechanics and showboat throws, that somehow makes him better. It doesn't.

He's been hitting the ocean from a rowboat, just like Alex Smith did in Kansas City. He's not great. Nobody would be talking about him had he been drafted by literally any other team in football.

Quarterbacks aren't supposed to stand out. It's supposed to be a mental position. They're supposed to be technically sound. You want your quarterback to be Tom Brady or Troy Aikman, not Russell Wilson.

While the less informed fans think that Stat Paddy running around like a retard and throwing underhand tosses to wide open guys he could have hit earlier on the play had he just set his feet and threw it normally like every other QB who isn't a moron makes him amazing, he's being carried by the top defense in football and the 2nd best kicker in football.

Dan Marino had seasons of 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8 playing for the winningest coach in the league. He had 2 elite receivers - Duper, who was an elite deep receiver, and Clayton, who was elite after the catch - and a HOF center in Dwight Stephenson during his best seasons. He never won without great talent.


But...
Purdy was number 1 in Air Yards per attempt in 2023 and the nest deep passer in the league statistically.
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
This was a problem. Josh Allen does this, throws MANY poorly timed INTs, but people gush over him because BIG MAN STRONG.

And yes, Brock needs to utilize the checkdown more often. Make defenses cheat up, then burn them with a deeper pass. That is how Montana did it, and it still works today.

And how about some more screens? Among the fewest screens (or passes behind the LOS) in the league since Brock took over. Although, we need the blockers to get on their targets...

This yr Allen 1.2INT% vs Brock 2.6INT%
Originally posted by RonnieLott:
We could bring back Jimmy Garoppolo at a reduced price.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed on the FQB, but TW admitted he came back because Pearsall was shot. So we know he was being a hardass. Aiyuk was our #1 WR and admitted he made it way more difficult than it needed to be. That stuff hurts and adds up. They need to be in camp. Bosa admitted missing camp hurt him etc. Derailed may be a strong word, but its also not wrong.

Everyone made it more difficult, not just the players. SF had all off season to figure it out with both guys. This isn't just a one or two guy thing…every single big extension resulted in a "holdout" and guys not participating in TC or other off season stuff. That's on the FO to get their priorities in check and get it done asap. Quit p***y footing around. They end up paying these guys basically what they want anyway.

IMO they need to go about it that stuff differently. Hopefully it starts with the QB.

We will never know the details, but it was obvious the niners made Aiyuk a strong offer that was ready before camp and he sat on it - then finally took that same offer at the end of pre season. The team can only do their part. Agents and players have different ideas.

The TW thing we both guessed as well. Unfortunate but I put that squarely on TW. He had them by the balls and he squeezed. I was more forgiving of BA because that was his first (and many times only) big contract. TW is loaded and been there done that. He doesn't need money. But that's what he is playing for.. That def set the tone. TW took weeks to get in shape and had a down year.

Remember for players their contract is the ultimate prize now. not the lombardi. That's the culture issue with how pro sports has evolved today.

I don't see Purdy being anything like this. He will be Bosa at worst. And that only happens if the FO is low balling him, or has some dumb structure the agent is strongly against imo.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Aren't you a 49ers fan? Are you a fan of the 80s and 90s 49ers?

How is it that 49ers fans talk about short throws and run after the catch to knock quarterbacks?

There are tons of arguments against the Queefs' quarterback. His numbers have been terrible in 2023 and 2024 despite playing for the best offensive mind in football. He ranked 33rd in air yards per completion this season. People mistakenly think that because he makes the easiest throws look more difficult with his horrible mechanics and showboat throws, that somehow makes him better. It doesn't.

He's been hitting the ocean from a rowboat, just like Alex Smith did in Kansas City. He's not great. Nobody would be talking about him had he been drafted by literally any other team in football.

Quarterbacks aren't supposed to stand out. It's supposed to be a mental position. They're supposed to be technically sound. You want your quarterback to be Tom Brady or Troy Aikman, not Russell Wilson.

While the less informed fans think that Stat Paddy running around like a retard and throwing underhand tosses to wide open guys he could have hit earlier on the play had he just set his feet and threw it normally like every other QB who isn't a moron makes him amazing, he's being carried by the top defense in football and the 2nd best kicker in football.

Dan Marino had seasons of 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8 playing for the winningest coach in the league. He had 2 elite receivers - Duper, who was an elite deep receiver, and Clayton, who was elite after the catch - and a HOF center in Dwight Stephenson during his best seasons. He never won without great talent.


Originally posted by NYniner85:
I can't imagine that the season was derailed because a WR and LT held out. You're starting FQB doing that is way different.

Both were out of shape and all but worthless this year.
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