QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Brock has been playing hero ball since college. This wasn't just a this yr thing. That's kinda what he is. He's got a gunslinger mentality, but doesn't really have a gun.

I think a lot of the time there's a check down available for him. He's gotta diagnose things quicker in the future and be okay with getting positive yards, especially in those early downs. I do think he was pressured to do more because of everything around him. However, that's not gonna change after he gets paid.

He led the leage in AYA and was one of the best deep passers in the NFL with that gun.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Brock needs a good (give us great!) o-line and he will be fine. The hero ball is important when playing those playoff defenses. Heck, Allen did it last year and thats why they lost to the Chiefs. You sometimes just need to take what they are giving you and beat them with a 1000 cuts etc.

Purdy is a natural pocket guy who looks deep then works his way closer which is fine by me. He doesn't like to scramble etc. But I think both of us noted his style and need for a good line two years ago, yet here we are with an even worse line so I have little faith.

The OL hasn't been great for a while. The OL last yr wasn't great, yet Brock played amazing. I'm all for building up the OL. Him making elite money makes that s**t harder though, that's the truth of it.

SF has to get back to running the ball and using play-action more. Build up the trenches on both sides and get healthy. They have a ridiculously easy schedule next yr and should be planning on making a SB push.

You are complaining about how the league is designed and once you have a qb, and pay him you are now limited. Its the truth, but it is what it is.

The o line was WAY better last year than this year. Brendal must have a bum knee or whatever. He was hot garbage this year compared to last. I was screaming for a upgrade there last draft. Banks and TW regressed. McK was OK but his usually self, meaning he for sure cost us some down.

I agree with you. I think we just dont agree on the details. Their contracts aren't terrible, in fact they are usually very good, but their roster management is more in question for me. If our dumb asses watch every game and say yeah man we need a good center, how the hell do we think that, but they ignore it etc. They gamble on hurt players way to often for my liking.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
This was a problem. Josh Allen does this, throws MANY poorly timed INTs, but people gush over him because BIG MAN STRONG.

And yes, Brock needs to utilize the checkdown more often. Make defenses cheat up, then burn them with a deeper pass. That is how Montana did it, and it still works today.

And how about some more screens? Among the fewest screens (or passes behind the LOS) in the league since Brock took over. Although, we need the blockers to get on their targets...

This yr Allen 1.2INT% vs Brock 2.6INT%

It's easier to live with INTs when the team is winning and the QB is making a lot of great throws as well. Brock isn't capable of making those wow throws that make people overlook the INTs. At his best he's highly efficient but not spectacular.

It's not really fair to een compare Purdy to Allen. Size. Speed. Arm strength. All favor Allen by a wide margin. He's one of thise raw ralents that a team took a chance on that has actually developed into an NFL QB.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
This was a problem. Josh Allen does this, throws MANY poorly timed INTs, but people gush over him because BIG MAN STRONG.

And yes, Brock needs to utilize the checkdown more often. Make defenses cheat up, then burn them with a deeper pass. That is how Montana did it, and it still works today.

And how about some more screens? Among the fewest screens (or passes behind the LOS) in the league since Brock took over. Although, we need the blockers to get on their targets...

This yr Allen 1.2INT% vs Brock 2.6INT%

It's easier to live with INTs when the team is winning and the QB is making a lot of great throws as well. Brock isn't capable of making those wow throws that make people overlook the INTs. At his best he's highly efficient but not spectacular.

It's not really fair to een compare Purdy to Allen. Size. Speed. Arm strength. All favor Allen by a wide margin. He's one of thise raw ralents that a team took a chance on that has actually developed into an NFL QB.

There is truth to this. If a guy like Allen sees something late ( or doesn't see it) He can often rifle it in there late with his arm and get away with it from time to time. Purdy doesn't have that luxury. He must process and anticipate. Something he was doing great with, but regressed this year. With that I am questioning Kyle and how he is coached.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We will never know the details, but it was obvious the niners made Aiyuk a strong offer that was ready before camp and he sat on it - then finally took that same offer at the end of pre season. The team can only do their part. Agents and players have different ideas.

The TW thing we both guessed as well. Unfortunate but I put that squarely on TW. He had them by the balls and he squeezed. I was more forgiving of BA because that was his first (and many times only) big contract. TW is loaded and been there done that. He doesn't need money. But that's what he is playing for.. That def set the tone. TW took weeks to get in shape and had a down year.

Remember for players their contract is the ultimate prize now. not the lombardi. That's the culture issue with how pro sports has evolved today.

I don't see Purdy being anything like this. He will be Bosa at worst. And that only happens if the FO is low balling him, or has some dumb structure the agent is strongly against imo.

BA watched as his peers contracts kept going up and up. Anyone would wait in that position. SF low balled his ass, just like they do with all their guys at the beginning of negotiating..then ghosted him for months. How about we stop doing that?

Look what happened to him, I'm sure he will be fine BUT in this sport you could be done at any moment and he just came off an elite season. End of the day both sides were at fault, that shouldn't be debated. There is a clear correlation between SF and how they pay their guys (lack of urgency). Let's stop that s**t. Get it done and focus on other stuff. No more media frenzy off season drama.

I'm sure Purdy isn't gonna be a diva about it, he isn't gonna take the first offer and he will absolutely sit out. His agent is part of this and it's a f**k TON of money. He's a good christian boy who says all the right stuff…no different than someone like Kirk cousins and his contracts negotiations have always been way harder than his persona would like you to think.

we will see

I guess in the end it doesn't matter too much what they pay Brock as long as he's open to restructuring a lot. It's amazing to think that in just 6 years QBs have seen the top salary go from 27 mil to over 50 mil per year. Now that's inflation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
This was a problem. Josh Allen does this, throws MANY poorly timed INTs, but people gush over him because BIG MAN STRONG.

And yes, Brock needs to utilize the checkdown more often. Make defenses cheat up, then burn them with a deeper pass. That is how Montana did it, and it still works today.

And how about some more screens? Among the fewest screens (or passes behind the LOS) in the league since Brock took over. Although, we need the blockers to get on their targets...

This yr Allen 1.2INT% vs Brock 2.6INT%

I agree, Allen has improved in that area. We'll see how he does in the playoffs. I'm just saying he has done it quite a bit: late INTs that lose them the game. Brock shouldn't be going down that road. Improve the offensive line with some big nasty uglies should help.

Protect Brock and give him time, and he'll pick a defense apart.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are complaining about how the league is designed and once you have a qb, and pay him you are now limited. Its the truth, but it is what it is.

The o line was WAY better last year than this year. Brendal must have a bum knee or whatever. He was hot garbage this year compared to last. I was screaming for a upgrade there last draft. Banks and TW regressed. McK was OK but his usually self, meaning he for sure cost us some down.

I agree with you. I think we just dont agree on the details. Their contracts aren't terrible, in fact they are usually very good, but their roster management is more in question for me. If our dumb asses watch every game and say yeah man we need a good center, how the hell do we think that, but they ignore it etc. They gamble on hurt players way to often for my liking.

Brendel was horrible last yr. His metrics are damn near identical. Film is bad both yrs. Colton actually improved imo. Puni is an upgrade. Banks was playing hurt all yr and no Trent is a massive loss. Although Moore was pretty serviceable.

FWIW Trent was just as good, top 5 in PBWR this yr, still elite in every metric among OTs. So no I will disagree with that statement all day.

I wanted SF to draft Tanor Bortolini last yr. He's been the starting center for the Colts and pretty damn good.

the issue is you can't pay everyone top money. SF has top 5 contracts littered all over the place. You gotta pick and choose where that cash goes. Our only relief the past couple yrs was they were paying a QB peanuts. That's gonna change, so available $ that wasn't being invested in the positions you want, probably won't be going there now unfortunately.

We gotta hope for another great draft and hopefully they focus on the trenches. Regardless Brock has to improve and start elevating whomever he's got around him. If not we're f**ked because we can't continue to have those 2019/2023 rosters.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
I agree, Allen has improved in that area. We'll see how he does in the playoffs. I'm just saying he has done it quite a bit: late INTs that lose them the game. Brock shouldn't be going down that road. Improve the offensive line with some big nasty uglies should help.

Protect Brock and give him time, and he'll pick a defense apart.

I mean Brock has been going down that road unfortunately. Hopefully that changes.

I got no problem with the gunslinger mindset if you got a gun and can make a game changing play at anytime. You take the good with the bad there.

yes I agree improve the OL. I actually think the DL is pretty bad though. I also don't view Brock as some in the pocket slicing up defenses like others do. He's not Drew or Manning imo. He doesn't have be that for us to win games.

I can't see Brock holding out and not reporting to camp. Not if it's up to him. I don't know much about his agent so we'll see. One thing that we know is players that hold out and don't report to camp often have sub par years. Some never live up to the big contract.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
I agree, Allen has improved in that area. We'll see how he does in the playoffs. I'm just saying he has done it quite a bit: late INTs that lose them the game. Brock shouldn't be going down that road. Improve the offensive line with some big nasty uglies should help.

Protect Brock and give him time, and he'll pick a defense apart.

I mean Brock has been going down that road unfortunately. Hopefully that changes.

I got no problem with the gunslinger mindset if you got a gun and can make a game changing play at anytime. You take the good with the bad there.

yes I agree improve the OL. I actually think the DL is pretty bad though. I also don't view Brock as some in the pocket slicing up defenses like others do. He's not Drew or Manning imo. He doesn't have be that for us to win games.

I do like the aggressiveness too. But, Brock needs to use his smarts too. He has shown the capacity to do this. Personally, I don't believe it was all due to the playmakers. Brock was making those plays happen with his throws. He has shown that too common problem of frantic play leading to turnovers. When he plays calm, he is quicker and more precise.

I look forward to seeing what the team does to upgrade the offensive line. Of all the areas on offense, that will help the most running or passing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We will never know the details, but it was obvious the niners made Aiyuk a strong offer that was ready before camp and he sat on it - then finally took that same offer at the end of pre season. The team can only do their part. Agents and players have different ideas.

The TW thing we both guessed as well. Unfortunate but I put that squarely on TW. He had them by the balls and he squeezed. I was more forgiving of BA because that was his first (and many times only) big contract. TW is loaded and been there done that. He doesn't need money. But that's what he is playing for.. That def set the tone. TW took weeks to get in shape and had a down year.

Remember for players their contract is the ultimate prize now. not the lombardi. That's the culture issue with how pro sports has evolved today.

I don't see Purdy being anything like this. He will be Bosa at worst. And that only happens if the FO is low balling him, or has some dumb structure the agent is strongly against imo.

BA watched as his peers contracts kept going up and up. Anyone would wait in that position. SF low balled his ass, just like they do with all their guys at the beginning of negotiating..then ghosted him for months. How about we stop doing that?

Look what happened to him, I'm sure he will be fine BUT in this sport you could be done at any moment and he just came off an elite season. End of the day both sides were at fault, that shouldn't be debated. There is a clear correlation between SF and how they pay their guys (lack of urgency). Let's stop that s**t. Get it done and focus on other stuff. No more media frenzy off season drama.

I'm sure Purdy isn't gonna be a diva about it, he isn't gonna take the first offer and he will absolutely sit out. His agent is part of this and it's a f**k TON of money. He's a good christian boy who says all the right stuff…no different than someone like Kirk cousins and his contracts negotiations have always been way harder than his persona would like you to think.

we will see

They def low balled him early on, but came up near the end and before training camp offered him the deal he got. He said no -they said ok go look elsehwere and nothing was good enough. Yes I wish the FO would get s**t done faster, but this was way more on BA , but who can blame him? When a team captain like TW is teaching everyone to negotiate like this for every single penny.

Agreed on Purdy, but like we are both thinking. He will simply take the Bosa route and let his Agent deal with it. What do we know about his agent?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are complaining about how the league is designed and once you have a qb, and pay him you are now limited. Its the truth, but it is what it is.

The o line was WAY better last year than this year. Brendal must have a bum knee or whatever. He was hot garbage this year compared to last. I was screaming for a upgrade there last draft. Banks and TW regressed. McK was OK but his usually self, meaning he for sure cost us some down.

I agree with you. I think we just dont agree on the details. Their contracts aren't terrible, in fact they are usually very good, but their roster management is more in question for me. If our dumb asses watch every game and say yeah man we need a good center, how the hell do we think that, but they ignore it etc. They gamble on hurt players way to often for my liking.

Brendel was horrible last yr. His metrics are damn near identical. Film is bad both yrs. Colton actually improved imo. Puni is an upgrade. Banks was playing hurt all yr and no Trent is a massive loss. Although Moore was pretty serviceable.

FWIW Trent was just as good, top 5 in PBWR this yr, still elite in every metric among OTs. So no I will disagree with that statement all day.

I wanted SF to draft Tanor Bortolini last yr. He's been the starting center for the Colts and pretty damn good.

the issue is you can't pay everyone top money. SF has top 5 contracts littered all over the place. You gotta pick and choose where that cash goes. Our only relief the past couple yrs was they were paying a QB peanuts. That's gonna change, so available $ that wasn't being invested in the positions you want, probably won't be going there now unfortunately.

We gotta hope for another great draft and hopefully they focus on the trenches. Regardless Brock has to improve and start elevating whomever he's got around him. If not we're f**ked because we can't continue to have those 2019/2023 rosters.

the o line was def worse this year. Not just in pass pro, but running as well. TW wasn't the same. Without him they have always been suspect. Moore was surprisingly not bad, but not TW either. Take your metrics, ill trust my eyes. We used to own the trenches, now we get owned more often than not.

Totally agree the good teams consistently draft well. Its the imperative along with finding a QB. I think the bad drafts from 21-23 is what showed up this year when guys started getting hurt.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I can't imagine that the season was derailed because a WR and LT held out. You're starting FQB doing that is way different.

Both were out of shape and all but worthless this year.

when you don't have your safety blankets anymore, it can def affect your play

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Brock Purdy's year 3 is much better than Josh Allen's year 3.

lol

i'm having a hard time watching brock and being encouraged for his future as QB1. just too soft on his tosses and it just limits the offense in a ton of ways. no QB designed run threat, downfield threat, outside the numbers threat, it's a tough situation.

i think a everything coming together year in 2023 with a HOF LT, career CMC year, BA having a breakout, kittle, deebo, kyle it all elevated brock. now brock can play quick and make plays. but as i look forward it's gonna be less of a loaded roster, and a limited and paid QB to boot. does anyone else feel this way? we may just bottom out, which would be the end of kyle and brock, we'd be in full rebuild mode if the 6 win seasons continue. such a shame, cuz here we are year 8 or so and i don't think kyle has yet found the QB with the right tools to run his offense. we won with jimmy and brock, but you can't tell me those guys are scheme fits for the shanny system. i think you want a elway type, mobile and good arm. they tried to get this with trey, and it didn't work. they should explore some options at QB to better fit the scheme.