QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We will never know the details, but it was obvious the niners made Aiyuk a strong offer that was ready before camp and he sat on it - then finally took that same offer at the end of pre season. The team can only do their part. Agents and players have different ideas.

The TW thing we both guessed as well. Unfortunate but I put that squarely on TW. He had them by the balls and he squeezed. I was more forgiving of BA because that was his first (and many times only) big contract. TW is loaded and been there done that. He doesn't need money. But that's what he is playing for.. That def set the tone. TW took weeks to get in shape and had a down year.

Remember for players their contract is the ultimate prize now. not the lombardi. That's the culture issue with how pro sports has evolved today.

I don't see Purdy being anything like this. He will be Bosa at worst. And that only happens if the FO is low balling him, or has some dumb structure the agent is strongly against imo.

BA watched as his peers contracts kept going up and up. Anyone would wait in that position. SF low balled his ass, just like they do with all their guys at the beginning of negotiating..then ghosted him for months. How about we stop doing that?

Look what happened to him, I'm sure he will be fine BUT in this sport you could be done at any moment and he just came off an elite season. End of the day both sides were at fault, that shouldn't be debated. There is a clear correlation between SF and how they pay their guys (lack of urgency). Let's stop that s**t. Get it done and focus on other stuff. No more media frenzy off season drama.

I'm sure Purdy isn't gonna be a diva about it, he isn't gonna take the first offer and he will absolutely sit out. His agent is part of this and it's a f**k TON of money. He's a good christian boy who says all the right stuff…no different than someone like Kirk cousins and his contracts negotiations have always been way harder than his persona would like you to think.

we will see

They def low balled him early on, but came up near the end and before training camp offered him the deal he got. He said no -they said ok go look elsehwere and nothing was good enough. Yes I wish the FO would get s**t done faster, but this was way more on BA , but who can blame him? When a team captain like TW is teaching everyone to negotiate like this for every single penny.

Agreed on Purdy, but like we are both thinking. He will simply take the Bosa route and let his Agent deal with it. What do we know about his agent?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are complaining about how the league is designed and once you have a qb, and pay him you are now limited. Its the truth, but it is what it is.

The o line was WAY better last year than this year. Brendal must have a bum knee or whatever. He was hot garbage this year compared to last. I was screaming for a upgrade there last draft. Banks and TW regressed. McK was OK but his usually self, meaning he for sure cost us some down.

I agree with you. I think we just dont agree on the details. Their contracts aren't terrible, in fact they are usually very good, but their roster management is more in question for me. If our dumb asses watch every game and say yeah man we need a good center, how the hell do we think that, but they ignore it etc. They gamble on hurt players way to often for my liking.

Brendel was horrible last yr. His metrics are damn near identical. Film is bad both yrs. Colton actually improved imo. Puni is an upgrade. Banks was playing hurt all yr and no Trent is a massive loss. Although Moore was pretty serviceable.

FWIW Trent was just as good, top 5 in PBWR this yr, still elite in every metric among OTs. So no I will disagree with that statement all day.

I wanted SF to draft Tanor Bortolini last yr. He's been the starting center for the Colts and pretty damn good.

the issue is you can't pay everyone top money. SF has top 5 contracts littered all over the place. You gotta pick and choose where that cash goes. Our only relief the past couple yrs was they were paying a QB peanuts. That's gonna change, so available $ that wasn't being invested in the positions you want, probably won't be going there now unfortunately.

We gotta hope for another great draft and hopefully they focus on the trenches. Regardless Brock has to improve and start elevating whomever he's got around him. If not we're f**ked because we can't continue to have those 2019/2023 rosters.

the o line was def worse this year. Not just in pass pro, but running as well. TW wasn't the same. Without him they have always been suspect. Moore was surprisingly not bad, but not TW either. Take your metrics, ill trust my eyes. We used to own the trenches, now we get owned more often than not.

Totally agree the good teams consistently draft well. Its the imperative along with finding a QB. I think the bad drafts from 21-23 is what showed up this year when guys started getting hurt.

You're definitely right Cisco. Oftentimes stats don't tell the whole story and leave out context. The OL was WAY WORSE this year. The pass pro was atrocious and the run blocking much worse. Too many times we couldn't even convert a second or third and short running the ball and that has rarely happened in years past.

Brendel cost us at least 2-3 games (Moody 3-4 games as well). Just addition by subtraction. Do it Shanny!!!! Upgrade at C and K and we are looking at competing for a bye week next year with that cake schedule. Let's just hope we don't have the worst rest advantage in the league again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wanted SF to draft Tanor Bortolini last yr. He's been the starting center for the Colts and pretty damn good.

He's the starting center ?

Edit: nevermind.. back up for starting center Kelly

Where exactly did Brock play "hero ball" this season?

His problems were BAD THROWS, not bad decisions.

His interceptions against the Lions were because of bad throws, not bad decisions. The receivers were open/had favorable matchups. He was just late/high.

His interception against the Dolphins was because he was drilled as he threw it. Jennings was open.

His interception against the Vikings was because he was late to the checkdown.

His first interception against the Cardinals is because he double clutched after being on his back foot, then had it batted at the line.

His second interception against the Cardinals is because he was blitzed blind side.

He wasn't forcing balls into tight coverages.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Where exactly did Brock play "hero ball" this season?

His problems were BAD THROWS, not bad decisions.

His interceptions against the Lions were because of bad throws, not bad decisions. The receivers were open/had favorable matchups. He was just late/high.

His interception against the Dolphins was because he was drilled as he threw it. Jennings was open.

His interception against the Vikings was because he was late to the checkdown.

His first interception against the Cardinals is because he double clutched after being on his back foot, then had it batted at the line.

His second interception against the Cardinals is because he was blitzed blind side.

He wasn't forcing balls into tight coverages.

a lot of the bad throws were due to bad decisions

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Where exactly did Brock play "hero ball" this season?

His problems were BAD THROWS, not bad decisions.

His interceptions against the Lions were because of bad throws, not bad decisions. The receivers were open/had favorable matchups. He was just late/high.

His interception against the Dolphins was because he was drilled as he threw it. Jennings was open.

His interception against the Vikings was because he was late to the checkdown.

His first interception against the Cardinals is because he double clutched after being on his back foot, then had it batted at the line.

His second interception against the Cardinals is because he was blitzed blind side.

He wasn't forcing balls into tight coverages.

Strongly disagree

Brock looks deep 1st...it was great early on when defenses were designed to shut off the short quick stuff and our Qbs didn't/couldnt go deep (JG etc.)

Defenses adjusted and started leaving check downs wide open and Brock kept looking deep and passing it up during the 2024 season

This is a similar thing that happened to Mahomes

https://www.theringer.com/2024/10/31/nfl/checkdown-throws-patrick-mahomes-lamar-jackson

*actually reminds me of Alex Smith to Kap transition as well

Kap blew teams away early with deep balls bc they were defending the Alex Smith offense

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Where exactly did Brock play "hero ball" this season?

His problems were BAD THROWS, not bad decisions.

His interceptions against the Lions were because of bad throws, not bad decisions. The receivers were open/had favorable matchups. He was just late/high.

His interception against the Dolphins was because he was drilled as he threw it. Jennings was open.

His interception against the Vikings was because he was late to the checkdown.

His first interception against the Cardinals is because he double clutched after being on his back foot, then had it batted at the line.

His second interception against the Cardinals is because he was blitzed blind side.

He wasn't forcing balls into tight coverages.

Strongly disagree

Brock looks deep 1st...it was great early on when defenses were designed to shut off the short quick stuff and our Qbs didn't/couldnt go deep (JG etc.)

Defenses adjusted and started leaving check downs wide open and Brock kept looking deep and passing it up during the 2024 season

This is a similar thing that happened to Mahomes

https://www.theringer.com/2024/10/31/nfl/checkdown-throws-patrick-mahomes-lamar-jackson

Flores spooked him and he hasn't been the same since.. hopefully a long off season can get him to forget about last season

Among the things football fans do that gives them the wrong ideas is they look at things on paper and assume that must be true for how things went on the field.

For example, the idea that a certain player is a "weapon," while an unknown player could not be as good a weapon, and extrapolating from that when it comes to a QB's performance.

When Brock racked up a bunch of yards against the Rams, it was supposedly demonstrative of him being legitimately good because he didn't have "avengerz" like Screenbo and Kittle.

Fans sarcastically asked if Jauan Jennings carried Brock, and insisted that Brock must have carried Jennings in the game.

Except Jennings did indeed carry Brock that game, and Brock did not play that well. It does not matter that people didn't know much about Jennings before that game. Jennings is a much better receiver than Screenbo, and played a great game. He was wide open on most of the balls he caught, and he bailed Brock out on the play where he high-pointed a downfield throw. That was a poor throw by Brock as it made for an awkward high-point.

The same is true in reverse when they insist that because the 49ers supposedly had so much talent on the team in 2023, and they had injuries this season, that means Brock's decline must be because of the injuries. It's not. Brock played brilliantly last year and did not play well this year.

When you actually watch what happens in the games, rather than just blindly making assumptions based on what you think should happen, you see that Brock last year was pinpoint accurate and Brock this year was underthrowing almost every deep ball, throwing behind wide open guys underneath, and sailing balls over the heads of wide open guys.

That is not because "he didn't have Christian McCaffrey." What a joke.

You could give Brock the 1993 49ers supporting cast and it wouldn't have made a difference. He was inaccurate this season.

Even when fans do watch the games, they come away with the wrong impression based on false notions of how things are supposed to look. If Stat Paddy hits a wide open guy, but he does it while spinning around like a moron when he could have just climbed the pocket, set his feet, and threw an uneventful looking throw, fans think this means he's some untouchable great.

When Barry Sanders danced around in the backfield and juked 4 guys, fans thought this meant the Lions' offensive lines were horrible.

When a QB keeps getting sacked year after year, fans think this is because the "offensive line" sucks and not because the QB doesn't have pocket presence or get rid of the ball quickly enough.

When a QB keeps getting hit on blitzes, fans think this is the "offensive line" responsible.

Fans have completely wrong impressions about what the 49ers' problems are.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Strongly disagree

Brock looks deep 1st...it was great early on when defenses were designed to shut off the short quick stuff and our Qbs didn't/couldnt go deep (JG etc.)

Defenses adjusted and started leaving check downs wide open and Brock kept looking deep and passing it up during the 2024 season

This is a similar thing that happened to Mahomes

https://www.theringer.com/2024/10/31/nfl/checkdown-throws-patrick-mahomes-lamar-jackson

*actually reminds me of Alex Smith to Kap transition as well

Kap blew teams away early with deep balls bc they were defending the Alex Smith offense

Brock looks to his first read first, which is what every good QB does.

No defense was ever "designed to shut off the quick stuff." This is just made up nonsense based on blind analysis of what people think SHOULD happen.

When a QB gets to a receiver in his order of progressions that has one-on-one coverage, or is projected to be open against zone, he is supposed to throw the ball no matter what. Very rarely has Brock thrown balls into double coverage.

If Brock takes a checkdown and turns down a receiver with a favorable matchup down field, Kyle chews him out. Jimmy literally said this is what Kyle did to him back in 2019 in his interview with Steve Young.

Coaches teach QBs not to throw into double coverage and typically not to throw deep against off man where there's a huge cushion. That's not what Brock was doing.

LOL, just clicked on the article. Written by Steven Ruiz, the biggest moron to ever talk football. That kid should be put in prison for being such an idiot.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Strongly disagree

Brock looks deep 1st...it was great early on when defenses were designed to shut off the short quick stuff and our Qbs didn't/couldnt go deep (JG etc.)

Defenses adjusted and started leaving check downs wide open and Brock kept looking deep and passing it up during the 2024 season

This is a similar thing that happened to Mahomes

https://www.theringer.com/2024/10/31/nfl/checkdown-throws-patrick-mahomes-lamar-jackson

*actually reminds me of Alex Smith to Kap transition as well

Kap blew teams away early with deep balls bc they were defending the Alex Smith offense

Brock looks to his first read first, which is what every good QB does.

No defense was ever "designed to shut off the quick stuff." This is just made up nonsense based on blind analysis of what people think SHOULD happen.

When a QB gets to a receiver in his order of progressions that has one-on-one coverage, or is projected to be open against zone, he is supposed to throw the ball no matter what. Very rarely has Brock thrown balls into double coverage.

If Brock takes a checkdown and turns down a receiver with a favorable matchup down field, Kyle chews him out. Jimmy literally said this is what Kyle did to him back in 2019 in his interview with Steve Young.

Coaches teach QBs not to throw into double coverage and typically not to throw deep against off man where there's a huge cushion. That's not what Brock was doing.

LOL, just clicked on the article. Written by Steven Ruiz, the biggest moron to ever talk football. That kid should be put in prison for being such an idiot.

I don't know the author or his background

He provided stats regarding QBs and checkdowns

Your choice to rip the author instead of the stats is a choice

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We will never know the details, but it was obvious the niners made Aiyuk a strong offer that was ready before camp and he sat on it - then finally took that same offer at the end of pre season. The team can only do their part. Agents and players have different ideas.

The TW thing we both guessed as well. Unfortunate but I put that squarely on TW. He had them by the balls and he squeezed. I was more forgiving of BA because that was his first (and many times only) big contract. TW is loaded and been there done that. He doesn't need money. But that's what he is playing for.. That def set the tone. TW took weeks to get in shape and had a down year.

Remember for players their contract is the ultimate prize now. not the lombardi. That's the culture issue with how pro sports has evolved today.

I don't see Purdy being anything like this. He will be Bosa at worst. And that only happens if the FO is low balling him, or has some dumb structure the agent is strongly against imo.

BA watched as his peers contracts kept going up and up. Anyone would wait in that position. SF low balled his ass, just like they do with all their guys at the beginning of negotiating..then ghosted him for months. How about we stop doing that?

Look what happened to him, I'm sure he will be fine BUT in this sport you could be done at any moment and he just came off an elite season. End of the day both sides were at fault, that shouldn't be debated. There is a clear correlation between SF and how they pay their guys (lack of urgency). Let's stop that s**t. Get it done and focus on other stuff. No more media frenzy off season drama.

I'm sure Purdy isn't gonna be a diva about it, he isn't gonna take the first offer and he will absolutely sit out. His agent is part of this and it's a f**k TON of money. He's a good christian boy who says all the right stuff…no different than someone like Kirk cousins and his contracts negotiations have always been way harder than his persona would like you to think.

we will see

I'm on the somewhat opposite side of this. The moment a guy holds out he should be done with the org. People 100% know that our FO will cave if they don't show up. It has happened entirely too often (Deebo, BA, TW, Bosa, hell even CMC) and now players know it will work for them and they won't have negative consequences as a result. It's a shame we couldn't ship BA to the Browns and let him rot with that POS organization to remind people there are consequences to deciding you want to be a Diva. Same with TW, he was already under contract and I would have let him sit the year and miss those paychecks while still having the rights. No patience for that garbage.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
I don't know the author or his background

He provided stats regarding QBs and checkdowns

Your choice to rip the author instead of the stats is a choice

It's an example of what I was talking about in my other post about extrapolating based on what you think should happen rather than what actually happens in games.

"He's throwing more checkdowns than before" = teams must be "playing them to prevent the deep ball" and he's "taking what the defense gives him."

Originally posted by elguapo:
You're definitely right Cisco. Oftentimes stats don't tell the whole story and leave out context. The OL was WAY WORSE this year. The pass pro was atrocious and the run blocking much worse. Too many times we couldn't even convert a second or third and short running the ball and that has rarely happened in years past.

Brendel cost us at least 2-3 games (Moody 3-4 games as well). Just addition by subtraction. Do it Shanny!!!! Upgrade at C and K and we are looking at competing for a bye week next year with that cake schedule. Let's just hope we don't have the worst rest advantage in the league again.

OL was bad both years

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You're definitely right Cisco. Oftentimes stats don't tell the whole story and leave out context. The OL was WAY WORSE this year. The pass pro was atrocious and the run blocking much worse. Too many times we couldn't even convert a second or third and short running the ball and that has rarely happened in years past.

Brendel cost us at least 2-3 games (Moody 3-4 games as well). Just addition by subtraction. Do it Shanny!!!! Upgrade at C and K and we are looking at competing for a bye week next year with that cake schedule. Let's just hope we don't have the worst rest advantage in the league again.

OL was bad both years

When Feliciano came in, the line started looking decent and moved up your buddies tier list of OLs. spent all year watching the rise.

this year everyone fell off the cliff... Puni didn't get the memo

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
I'm on the somewhat opposite side of this. The moment a guy holds out he should be done with the org. People 100% know that our FO will cave if they don't show up. It has happened entirely too often (Deebo, BA, TW, Bosa, hell even CMC) and now players know it will work for them and they won't have negative consequences as a result. It's a shame we couldn't ship BA to the Browns and let him rot with that POS organization to remind people there are consequences to deciding you want to be a Diva. Same with TW, he was already under contract and I would have let him sit the year and miss those paychecks while still having the rights. No patience for that garbage.

TW wanted GTD cash. His contract was basically out there. It's no different than a team cutting a player that's still under contract. Should the team wait for the contract to be done before moving on?

How about the team gets its s**t done early for once? Instead p***y footing around with low ball deals that they know the agent/player won't accept? If a player has any sort of leverage they will use it to get more cash. Most players get one real shot to make that money and I don't blame them for trying to get whatever after an amazing season.

If Brock played like he did in 2023 this yr he would have a ton of leverage all the same.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
When Feliciano came in, the line started looking decent and moved up your buddies tier list of OLs. spent all year watching the rise.

this year everyone fell off the cliff... Puni didn't get the memo

Who's my buddy? Right side was better this yr, left side was worse and Brendel was dog s**t both yrs

Not great either yr