QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just want to check, Kevin Cole whose numbers are being used there worked for PFF. Uses their data, so we can in fact use PFF, yes?

advanced stats are so bad. just watch the football games. no idea who is seeing value in this. maybe ppl who want an opinion without watching the football. but in nfl you kinda have to watch the football to understand what is going on. this is just a bunch of made up crap. imo

You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

i'm not sure he's very good. he doesn't throw the ball well. including outside the numbers or downfield. he isn't a designed run threat either. so it's pocket passing, with some scramble drill and some soft tosses. i don't think that's crazy hard to defend to be honest. we should strive for more of a threat from the QB position than that. he plays fast and he can do well with the avengers around him. he can play in the league, but i don't think he gives us an advantage over a dozen or so NFC QBs. can we say he's better than hurts, j daniels, williams, goff, love, darnold, prescott, stafford, murray, mayfield, penix. i mean these are all talented guys who can do special things. one can say we are kinda at a talent disadvantage on all these battles. any one of those guys would probably do well here with shanny and his system, right? what am i missing?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

i'm not sure he's very good. he doesn't throw the ball well. including outside the numbers or downfield. he isn't a designed run threat either. so it's pocket passing, with some scramble drill and some soft tosses. i don't think that's crazy hard to defend to be honest. we should strive for more of a threat from the QB position than that. he plays fast and he can do well with the avengers around him. he can play in the league, but i don't think he gives us an advantage over a dozen or so NFC QBs. can we say he's better than hurts, j daniels, williams, goff, love, darnold, prescott, stafford, murray, mayfield, penix. i mean these are all talented guys who can do special things. one can say we are kinda at a talent disadvantage on all these battles. any one of those guys would probably do well here with shanny and his system, right? what am i missing?

i guess the previous two seasons (of making all the throws) and playoff wins is nothing.. and in that short time has done what those QBs listed never done

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

i'm not sure he's very good. he doesn't throw the ball well. including outside the numbers or downfield. he isn't a designed run threat either. so it's pocket passing, with some scramble drill and some soft tosses. i don't think that's crazy hard to defend to be honest. we should strive for more of a threat from the QB position than that. he plays fast and he can do well with the avengers around him. he can play in the league, but i don't think he gives us an advantage over a dozen or so NFC QBs. can we say he's better than hurts, j daniels, williams, goff, love, darnold, prescott, stafford, murray, mayfield, penix. i mean these are all talented guys who can do special things. one can say we are kinda at a talent disadvantage on all these battles. any one of those guys would probably do well here with shanny and his system, right? what am i missing?

i guess the previous two seasons (of making all the throws) and playoff wins is nothing.. and in that short time has done what those QBs listed never done

i don't think he did well vs GB or DET or KC. he didn't make huge mistakes but the offense wasn't moving that well either. the one playoff game he really showed out iirc is Seattle. in NFL, and we saw this with Kaepernick, the league adjusts. they figure out what you don't do well, and they force you to do that. having success early doesn't mean you will have 10-15 years of it. i learned that with Colin. brock will probably get paid for the rook contract achievements, but looking at his game, it's hard to say he gives us an edge over the NFC field. we had a 6 win season and he was healthy for most of it

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
The problem with PFF, and things such as QBR, is they mislead fans into thinking they're providing context when they actually aren't. No stats provide context in football.

QBR makes fans think it's weighting the "strength" of an opposing defense. It's not. It's weighting the ranking of a defense. It doesn't take injuries into account. A highly ranked defense could have key players out.

It doesn't take the weather conditions into account.

More importantly, it doesn't take actual PLAY into account. A good defense can play badly and a bad defense can play well.

You're better off going with surface level stats to see if a player/unit/team is effective than trying to get context from additional numbers.

Surface level stats can be misleading all the same. It's all useful stuff and can be applied to conversations. It's not the holy grail on everything.

We can all find stats to prove or disprove what we want. We can poke holes in everything if someone cares that much. Some people like PFF grading system some don't. Neither is right or wrong imo. I just hate when I see someone crap on something like PFF and then use it to prop up their narrative later.

DVOA was a useful advanced metric, people still s**t on that because they didn't like what it said about a team or player. Simple passing yards can be inflated due to game flow or YAC. There's always a "ya but" with stats.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Faith, great at deflection.. not so great at QB evaluation

Look at those tools though. You think Brock could make a throw like that?

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

Why do we all know it's not accurate? You could say that about any position group (what's their assignment, route or read).

imo elite accuracy is a bit much. He's accurate, he's not Drew Brees. He has processed very quickly and has to use anticipation due or arm strength limitations. Which is fine process/anticipation > arm strength all day.

Brock himself played a part in poor pass pro this yr. Top 5 in TT. He wasn't processing the field as quickly and was trying to go downfield quite a bit. The WRs weren't getting as open as quickly in the past, last yr dudes were petty damn open all yr. Brock had to make more tight window throws and you should expect your FQB to do that regardless.

I say all that with acknowledging they need to improve the OL. No one disagrees. Brock himself has to play better next yr all the same.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Faith, great at deflection.. not so great at QB evaluation

Look at those tools though. You think Brock could make a throw like that?

his deal is 1 year 6m. so that's kind of the question, brock at 40m or 50m or 60m pick your number or a guy like this for 6m. brock made a lot of sense at 900k now i start to question it when it's brock at 50m or something. that may not turn out very well tbh.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think he did well vs GB or DET or KC. he didn't make huge mistakes but the offense wasn't moving that well either. the one playoff game he really showed out iirc is Seattle. in NFL, and we saw this with Kaepernick, the league adjusts. they figure out what you don't do well, and they force you to do that. having success early doesn't mean you will have 10-15 years of it. i learned that with Colin. brock will probably get paid for the rook contract achievements, but looking at his game, it's hard to say he gives us an edge over the NFC field. we had a 6 win season and he was healthy for most of it

But winning games throwing the ball 8 times or because the special teams got you your only td means long term success

The most important traits for a QB is how well you process. Nothing else comes close.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Faith, great at deflection.. not so great at QB evaluation

Look at those tools though. You think Brock could make a throw like that?

his deal is 1 year 6m. so that's kind of the question, brock at 40m or 50m or 60m pick your number or a guy like this for 6m. brock made a lot of sense at 900k now i start to question it when it's brock at 50m or something. that may not turn out very well tbh.

Brock is top half of the league in pretty much every qb rating system there is, and this is supposed to be a terrible season. I'd give Brock 70 mil if my only other option was mariota

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock is top half of the league in pretty much every qb rating system there is, and this is supposed to be a terrible season. I'd give Brock 70 mil if my only other option was mariota

Same here. Let's not hang on this insane suggestion, lol (that Mariota would be an option/upgrade).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Same here. Let's not hang on this insane suggestion, lol (that Mariota would be an option/upgrade).

Jimmy 2.0 is an upgrade on Stafford too don't ya know.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
No I think Purdy needs to be given time next year with all the pieces working, but we don't need to pay him $60 million this year.

Why not - in a year, $60M will be a bargain.

Bargain? If it is they'll be charging $500 for game tickets in the end zone. Seriously ths can't continue. I was listening to the red zone on Sunday and everytime some guy would make a catch or carry the ball they would tell us hiw he just earned $500,000 or $1 mil bonus . Geno Smith earned $4.5 mil in bonuses fir achieving very modest goals. Do they really need to keep telling us that these guys make a lot of money?

It's called inflation, it goes up everywhere and in every business.

Not like that. In 6 years the top NFL QB salary has gone from $27 mil to $60 mil per season. That's more than double. There is no real reason other than agent and player greed along with ownership ego. QBs haven't gotten better. Fans have seen their ticket prices rise too. Same for food prices at the games. Access cost for games has risen as the NFL keeps sellng rights to streaming services requiring a subscrition. Owners aren't going to lose money. One way or another the fans pay.

That's inflation. The market changed.

I undersstand that. I'm just saying it's out of control. Eventually it comes back to bite teams that overpay.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock is top half of the league in pretty much every qb rating system there is, and this is supposed to be a terrible season. I'd give Brock 70 mil if my only other option was mariota

i wouldn't. even if you grant brock is better than other guys he's not $70m better.

and btw on a lot of those metrics top half of the league, where do you think jimmy was? i like jimmy and he did good things here, but it's hard to say he or brock are ideal fits for this offense. shanny's downfall may be he never found a QB with the skill set that is ideal.

He extended yet?