QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Brock is top half of the league in pretty much every qb rating system there is, and this is supposed to be a terrible season. I'd give Brock 70 mil if my only other option was mariota

i wouldn't. even if you grant brock is better than other guys he's not $70m better.

and btw on a lot of those metrics top half of the league, where do you think jimmy was? i like jimmy and he did good things here, but it's hard to say he or brock are ideal fits for this offense. shanny's downfall may be he never found a QB with the skill set that is ideal.

We spent 3 firsts on a player with the skillset and quickly learned it doesn't mean all that much. Jimmy would implode on this team, Brock did not

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i wouldn't. even if you grant brock is better than other guys he's not $70m better.

and btw on a lot of those metrics top half of the league, where do you think jimmy was? i like jimmy and he did good things here, but it's hard to say he or brock are ideal fits for this offense. shanny's downfall may be he never found a QB with the skill set that is ideal.

Near the bottom.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

i'm not sure he's very good. he doesn't throw the ball well. including outside the numbers or downfield. he isn't a designed run threat either. so it's pocket passing, with some scramble drill and some soft tosses. i don't think that's crazy hard to defend to be honest. we should strive for more of a threat from the QB position than that. he plays fast and he can do well with the avengers around him. he can play in the league, but i don't think he gives us an advantage over a dozen or so NFC QBs. can we say he's better than hurts, j daniels, williams, goff, love, darnold, prescott, stafford, murray, mayfield, penix. i mean these are all talented guys who can do special things. one can say we are kinda at a talent disadvantage on all these battles. any one of those guys would probably do well here with shanny and his system, right? what am i missing?

i guess the previous two seasons (of making all the throws) and playoff wins is nothing.. and in that short time has done what those QBs listed never done

Stop replying to him. Most hypocritical poster on this board. You could have copied and pasted this exact post of his and used it against him 2 years ago.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

Why do we all know it's not accurate? You could say that about any position group (what's their assignment, route or read).

imo elite accuracy is a bit much. He's accurate, he's not Drew Brees. He has processed very quickly and has to use anticipation due or arm strength limitations. Which is fine process/anticipation > arm strength all day.

Brock himself played a part in poor pass pro this yr. Top 5 in TT. He wasn't processing the field as quickly and was trying to go downfield quite a bit. The WRs weren't getting as open as quickly in the past, last yr dudes were petty damn open all yr. Brock had to make more tight window throws and you should expect your FQB to do that regardless.

I say all that with acknowledging they need to improve the OL. No one disagrees. Brock himself has to play better next yr all the same.

Very easily. It's a lot easier to tell if a receiver beats a corner in man coverage on a route than an offensive lineman not making a block due to their assignment not being what we think it is (or PFF).

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You can use them in context. As we all know, PFF grades for OL is not as accurate as other positions due to assignments and other factors only the team knows.

As most knowledgeable football fans know, Purdy has displayed elite accuracy, anticipation and the ability to extend plays despite poor pass pro and penalties (things out of his control). This year he regressed a little but still a very good qb when considering all factors

i'm not sure he's very good. he doesn't throw the ball well. including outside the numbers or downfield. he isn't a designed run threat either. so it's pocket passing, with some scramble drill and some soft tosses. i don't think that's crazy hard to defend to be honest. we should strive for more of a threat from the QB position than that. he plays fast and he can do well with the avengers around him. he can play in the league, but i don't think he gives us an advantage over a dozen or so NFC QBs. can we say he's better than hurts, j daniels, williams, goff, love, darnold, prescott, stafford, murray, mayfield, penix. i mean these are all talented guys who can do special things. one can say we are kinda at a talent disadvantage on all these battles. any one of those guys would probably do well here with shanny and his system, right? what am i missing?

i guess the previous two seasons (of making all the throws) and playoff wins is nothing.. and in that short time has done what those QBs listed never done

Stop replying to him. Most hypocritical poster on this board. You could have copied and pasted this exact post of his and used it against him 2 years ago.

i just like seeing himself keep painting that corner even smaller lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i wouldn't. even if you grant brock is better than other guys he's not $70m better.

and btw on a lot of those metrics top half of the league, where do you think jimmy was? i like jimmy and he did good things here, but it's hard to say he or brock are ideal fits for this offense. shanny's downfall may be he never found a QB with the skill set that is ideal.

The best fit is a guy who is slow to process, holds ball too long and sees ghosts tho I'm sure.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i wouldn't. even if you grant brock is better than other guys he's not $70m better.

and btw on a lot of those metrics top half of the league, where do you think jimmy was? i like jimmy and he did good things here, but it's hard to say he or brock are ideal fits for this offense. shanny's downfall may be he never found a QB with the skill set that is ideal.

The best fit is a guy who is slow to process, holds ball too long and sees ghosts tho I'm sure.

and throws ints/turns the ball over like it's going out of style. (But hey, having a good year with excellent WRs who actually get separation early and good pass pro)

Originally posted by elguapo:
Very easily. It's a lot easier to tell if a receiver beats a corner in man coverage on a route than an offensive lineman not making a block due to their assignment not being what we think it is (or PFF).

If the WR beats a guy, but runs the wrong route on a play call, who cares? Do WRs get credit for helping extend plays when s**t breaks down and it's a scramble drill? Teams don't run man coverage every single snap. What about every zone coverage snap?

How about you learn how they grade things like pass pro?

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-pass-protection

The only reason you poo poo PFF and how they grade the OL is because it doesn't backup your narrative. It was the same thing with NC, who would then turn around and use it to prop up teams who he thought had great OLs

Damn near every metric had SF OL as below avg to bad in pass pro the past couple yrs. No one should be trying to say that wasn't true. They sucked last yr and they sucked this yr when it came down to having to do true pass sets.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If the WR beats a guy, but runs the wrong route on a play call, who cares? Do WRs get credit for helping extend plays when s**t breaks down and it's a scramble drill? Teams don't run man coverage every single snap. What about every zone coverage snap?

How about you learn how they grade things like pass pro?

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-pass-protection

The only reason you poo poo PFF and how they grade the OL is because it doesn't backup your narrative. It was the same thing with NC, who would then turn around and use it to prop up teams who he thought had great OLs

Damn near every metric had SF OL as below avg to bad in pass pro the past couple yrs. No one should be trying to say that wasn't true. They sucked last yr and they sucked this yr when it came down to having to do true pass sets.

They really suck anytime there is any sort of blitz or stunt. When it's just 4 man generally they are solid. Speaks to how bad Brendel is at protection calls.

Originally posted by elguapo:
and throws ints/turns the ball over like it's going out of style. (But hey, having a good year with excellent WRs who actually get separation early and good pass pro)

Yeah but our "crappy receivers" destroyed that same man coverage lions team the week prior

Sam Darnold has a higher pressure rate, been hurried and pressured more than Brock this yr. Sam also has wayyy more play action plays than Brock this yr as well.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They really suck anytime there is any sort of blitz or stunt. When it's just 4 man generally they are solid. Speaks to how bad Brendel is at protection calls.

Which really blows my mind. If you're going to have a physically limited center that is regularly overmatched physically, at the very least you'd hope that they are an absolute pro at making calls and adjustments at the line and making sure your OL is in a good position to respond to the defense most of the time.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They really suck anytime there is any sort of blitz or stunt. When it's just 4 man generally they are solid. Speaks to how bad Brendel is at protection calls.

Which really blows my mind. If you're going to have a physically limited center that is regularly overmatched physically, at the very least you'd hope that they are an absolute pro at making calls and adjustments at the line and making sure your OL is in a good position to respond to the defense most of the time.

I think I asked you before, but what are your thought on Meyers?

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by bvc49:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
No I think Purdy needs to be given time next year with all the pieces working, but we don't need to pay him $60 million this year.

If I was Purdy I would sit until they find $65 million or a better QB

Not smart imo. Dak is under the microscope every mistake he makes because he gets 60 mill. Heavy pressure to live up to being highest paid, and he will never live up to it. Tough to succeed with that responsibility.
Purdy is a smart kid, he'll take a fair deal I think. Probably in the 50-55 mill range, right around Tua/Hurts/ Lawrence/Goff.

I agree with this. The smart play is to go for a shorter term deal with less money per year. Gamble on himself. Allows the team to keep building around him, and as everyone gets healthy, his play will improve and hopefully they can win a Super Bowl. Cash in on endorsements and life after football, which will pay way more than the difference between $50m and $65m per season. Coaches, teammates and fans will also have a much more positive and forgiving outlook of him, which will keep the pressure on him as low as possible.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They really suck anytime there is any sort of blitz or stunt. When it's just 4 man generally they are solid. Speaks to how bad Brendel is at protection calls.

Which really blows my mind. If you're going to have a physically limited center that is regularly overmatched physically, at the very least you'd hope that they are an absolute pro at making calls and adjustments at the line and making sure your OL is in a good position to respond to the defense most of the time.

Totally agree. Who ya got this yr in the draft? I mean I know Kyle isn't gonna draft a center and play him yr 1 but it's still fun to talk about

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They really suck anytime there is any sort of blitz or stunt. When it's just 4 man generally they are solid. Speaks to how bad Brendel is at protection calls.

I feel like getting a vet like Ryan Kelly would upgrade the OL a ton. Take a OT in the 1st two 2nds that can play LG right away (future OT) and we're cooking something.