QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Can't believe Brock's actual words. Gotta listen to the subtext of a Jimmy interview 5+ years ago.

He just tries to take what the defense gives him, yet you accuse him of not taking enough checkdowns?

Brock's perception of "take what the defense gives him" is that the first guy in the progression order who isn't double covered gets thrown to no matter what. That's Kyle's philosophy, and that's what you aren't getting.

Other coaches would be lenient with a QB for coming off a deep shot and going to the checkdown, even if that receiver had single coverage. Only if it were some elite receiver would they likely say something.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He just tries to take what the defense gives him, yet you accuse him of not taking enough checkdowns?

Brock's perception of "take what the defense gives him" is that the first guy in the progression order who isn't double covered gets thrown to no matter what. That's Kyle's philosophy, and that's what you aren't getting.

Other coaches would be lenient with a QB for coming off a deep shot and going to the checkdown, even if that receiver had single coverage. Only if it were some elite receiver would they likely say something.

The Jennings pick I mentioned is not the first guy in the progression with single coverage. He just took the shot without looking what the other dbs were doing. Thats the instance to come off your read and take the checkdown. Thats the clean up that has to happen.

9ers were uo near the top of the league in chunk plays so that part of the offense was quite successful as a whole. It's the riskier throws where you aren't looking for the safeties that crept up this year. Those are the check down times.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Brock is a good but not great quarterback.

Thats why he was drafted as Mr Irrelevant.

"Pop Gun" Arm strength.

He led NFL in air yards per attempt and several deep passing stats in 2023.

That takes a good arm.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Can't believe Brock's actual words. Gotta listen to the subtext of a Jimmy interview 5+ years ago.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So in one thread we have people saying Kyle blew Superbowls for being too conservative and here Kyle is telling his QB to take deep shots no matter what.

Hard to keep track of all the unprovable narratives.

I'll go with what Jimmy says.

We're all shocked at your choice.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
LOL!

Yeah, right.

Just like he also loved Darnold after signing him and said he could be the next Steve Young (which is the most ridiculous comparison ever...most dissimilar QBs you could find).

He also signed Josh Rosen.

He loved that 2018 class sooooo much that they traded a 2nd round pick for Jimmy during a season where they were on track to have the top pick in the draft, then gave him a big contract after a 5 game sample.

Not to mention, Allen is almost the furthest thing from the kind of QB Kyle likes. Not quite as much as Lamar, but completely off his radar.

Kyle is not a fan of "arm talent." He's not a fan of athleticism. He wants guys who primarily play from the pocket and who do what he tells them. He doesn't want ad-libbing. When Brock ad-libs, he gets pissed off and dismisses any success with it in the media.

Kyle is trying to cover his own ass with the media. He never liked any of the guys considered top guys in the 2017 and 2018 classes. He also claims he didn't do much scouting on Stat Paddy in 2017 because he was planning on signing Cousins, yet somehow, he wound up taking Beathard.

Just look at this garbage...

"I didn't look into him obviously as much as I should have," Shanahan said. "We definitely looked into him, studied all of his tape. Was just a freak, could make any throw, had the ability to anything. That was a little bit different situation for us. We had the second pick in the draft, did not feel like from all the intel that you get and stuff that he was gonna go that high."

Translation:

"He was so amazing, but I preferred Beathard."

You pretending that wasn't really the case (Adam Schefter even reported it) all you want, doesn't change the facts of what really happened.

Andy Reid drafted f**king Kevin hogan on day 3, that doesn't mean he thought he was gonna be his FQB. You know you're wrong when you have to go to extremes to provide a point.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle signed a 6 yr deal in 2017. Dude wasn't even gonna interview with SF because we were that bad. He said he didn't want to come to a team that didn't have a good vet QB. There was an understanding that they weren't gonna have it all figured out and were given time. Anyone thinking he would have been fired if he didn't sign Jimmy is making up what actually went down when he was hired.

People on here conveniently forget how bad things were before Shanahan got here. It's crazy that people forgot that Jed and Paraag had to give a PRESENTATION to the candidates. The f**king owner had to get in front of Josh McDaniels and Kyle Shanahan, and sell them the f**king job. Just think about how crazy that is.

As you'd expect, McDaniels said all the right things publicly about how he appreciated the Niners for considering him.

"I was really impressed with Jed York and Paraag [Marathe] and Brian [Hampton] and people that came for the 49ers organization," McDaniels told New England media. "They did a great job with their presentation. Again, humbled to be included in that process. At this time, it's just best for my family and myself to remain here in New England and focus on this year's playoffs and finish out the year, however it turns out."

https://www.espn.co.uk/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/22889/to-land-kyle-shanahan-49ers-must-be-willing-to-give

No one wanted to come here lol. It will be the same s**t if they fire Kyle. Oh shanahan wasn't good enough and the expectation is a SB day 1 from the fan base….and your QB is Brock Purdy who's making $200M lol. Yeah good luck selling that to a HC that has choices.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

I'm starting to realize that guys like Allen and Lamar could never be like Tom and Peyton. Just like Tom and Peyton could never be like Allen or Lamar

Allen and Lamar would have to have their athleticism completely taken away to be like Tom or Peyton. They will always lean into their athleticism in situations where Tom and Peyton had to find other ways. There's pros and cons to both styles, but the Tom and Peyton way isn't necessarily inferior to the unicorns

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Kyle didn't want him for those traits. I'm sure Lynch and others did, but Kyle wanted Mac Jones. He was talked into Lance.

I say he didn't actually have those traits because he didn't. I'm sick of 49er fans pretending that he did.

Man that's a pretty wild take considering when you go into the Kyle thread and everyone calls him some controlling dictator. But you know the biggest decision of his career and this organization wasn't up to him….he was "talked" into it

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Can't believe Brock's actual words. Gotta listen to the subtext of a Jimmy interview 5+ years ago.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

How does going through your progressions and letting that dictate where you go with the ball and feeding TE George Kittle when he's having an All-Pro season?

"Yeah, I think just how we scheme it up and everything, for me I trust in the game plan. I trust in our guys to go and make plays. I just try to take what the defense gives me. I don't walk up to the line of scrimmage in a play and go, I'm going to go here, here, here just because.

Can't believe Brock's actual words. Gotta listen to the subtext of a Jimmy interview 5+ years ago.

Nothing Brock said contradicts what he's saying though

Like the blind rams throw, when the corner squatted that was the key that they were "giving" us JJ deep. Then refs miss illegal contact and Kyle's play gets blown up

Let's say Mcvitz holds up better on the play, and Brock has time to think better of the throw and he takes one of the checkdowns the defense gave him. Kyle might be in the film room saying "the corner squatted, why did we checkdown? Why aren't we throwing this to JJ?"

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Surely it must bother Kyle that Brock doesn't have the elite physical traits you think he believed Lance had.

Wonder why he's going to give him a big new contract rather than looking for a QB with a bigger arm and more foot speed.

This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Physical traits isn't just running fast either(like you said). It's being big and having a special arm. Yes being able to move is a big asset in today's game for sure. Like young said there's free yards to be had now and it dictates coverages on 3rd down.

imo Matt Stafford has physical gifts that other QBs don't have. It's not just running. IMO I thought Stafford would have been an ideal fit for Kyle. Prime Rogers ideal fit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No one wanted to come here lol. It will be the same s**t if they fire Kyle. Oh shanahan wasn't good enough and the expectation is a SB day 1 from the fan base….and your QB is Brock Purdy who's making $200M lol. Yeah good luck selling that to a HC that has choices.

Brock Purdy was an elite QB and one of the best deep pass QBs in the NFL in 2023. Most coaches would love to have him.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

People get enamored with the Mahomes/Allen/Lamar's of the world. We all want a guy who can play great within the scheme and make every throw while also being able to win off script and make big plays with their legs.

The problem is those guys are not easy to find and finding them is not a luxury all teams have...definitely not a luxury all front offices have.

Best way to get yourself fired as a HC/GM is swing big for a QB and miss. Shanahan and Lynch got lucky after the huge miss on Trey because they were able to keep winning and found Brock Purdy. At this point they can't swing for another QB like that and miss.

The only solution if you want a QB like that is getting Brock's deal done and then hoping you find a project guy like Jordan Love, Lamar, Kap and develop him behind Brock and pray he's got enough work ethic and drive to handle that development properly.

The issue is other teams are going to try to do the same exact thing. So either you suck bad enough where you get an early round pick with a stud QB prospect in an off year and I can't say this draft class has that or you simply have to get lucky at the right time.

Odds are for anyone hoping to hit on one of those elite QBs you probably have to wait until Shanahan and Lynch are gone.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

I'm starting to realize that guys like Allen and Lamar could never be like Tom and Peyton. Just like Tom and Peyton could never be like Allen or Lamar

Allen and Lamar would have to have their athleticism completely taken away to be like Tom or Peyton. They will always lean into their athleticism in situations where Tom and Peyton had to find other ways. There's pros and cons to both styles, but the Tom and Peyton way isn't necessarily inferior to the unicorns

If you combine Allen and Mannong you have a true generational tlent. Andrew Luck was like that but his career was cut short by injury.