QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

I'm starting to realize that guys like Allen and Lamar could never be like Tom and Peyton. Just like Tom and Peyton could never be like Allen or Lamar

Allen and Lamar would have to have their athleticism completely taken away to be like Tom or Peyton. They will always lean into their athleticism in situations where Tom and Peyton had to find other ways. There's pros and cons to both styles, but the Tom and Peyton way isn't necessarily inferior to the unicorns

If you combine Allen and Mannong you have a true generational tlent. Andrew Luck was like that but his career was cut short by injury.

It would be the perfect player, but it's really hard to get as great as Brady in the pocket when you don't have to be. He'd have to completely change the way he plays. It took years for Walsh to rewire Steve, and nobodys doing that with an athletic qb in todays game

Andrew Luck was good, but even he needed excuses when the Colts were falling apart. He wasn't on Mannings level as a passer and he wasn't Allen in the run game either. The Peyton level pocket passer that runs like Lamar when he needs to will probably always just be a fantasy

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

I'm starting to realize that guys like Allen and Lamar could never be like Tom and Peyton. Just like Tom and Peyton could never be like Allen or Lamar

Allen and Lamar would have to have their athleticism completely taken away to be like Tom or Peyton. They will always lean into their athleticism in situations where Tom and Peyton had to find other ways. There's pros and cons to both styles, but the Tom and Peyton way isn't necessarily inferior to the unicorns

If you combine Allen and Mannong you have a true generational tlent. Andrew Luck was like that but his career was cut short by injury.

It would be the perfect player, but it's really hard to get as great as Brady in the pocket when you don't have to be. He'd have to completely change the way he plays. It took years for Walsh to rewire Steve, and nobodys doing that with an athletic qb in todays game

Andrew Luck was good, but even he needed excuses when the Colts were falling apart. He wasn't on Mannings level as a passer and he wasn't Allen in the run game either. The Peyton level pocket passer that runs like Lamar when he needs to will probably always just be a fantasy

Where would Mahomes land on that chart?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

This isn't hard to decipher. Those physical traits are secondary to being able to play QB from the pocket. Kyle has said as much himself.

Prioritizing pocket play first doesn't indicate a lack of desire for elite physical traits. The combination is what every coach in the NFL wants.

Outside of that Brock has some plus physical talent. It's just not in his throwing arm.

Exactly. You get Brocks progression ability and pocket presence in a Josh Allen physical skillset and you got a HOFer. I don't see one of those available in draft or FA.

I'm starting to realize that guys like Allen and Lamar could never be like Tom and Peyton. Just like Tom and Peyton could never be like Allen or Lamar

Allen and Lamar would have to have their athleticism completely taken away to be like Tom or Peyton. They will always lean into their athleticism in situations where Tom and Peyton had to find other ways. There's pros and cons to both styles, but the Tom and Peyton way isn't necessarily inferior to the unicorns

If you combine Allen and Mannong you have a true generational tlent. Andrew Luck was like that but his career was cut short by injury.

It would be the perfect player, but it's really hard to get as great as Brady in the pocket when you don't have to be. He'd have to completely change the way he plays. It took years for Walsh to rewire Steve, and nobodys doing that with an athletic qb in todays game

Andrew Luck was good, but even he needed excuses when the Colts were falling apart. He wasn't on Mannings level as a passer and he wasn't Allen in the run game either. The Peyton level pocket passer that runs like Lamar when he needs to will probably always just be a fantasy

Where would Mahomes land on that chart?

Great mix. Close to fulfilling the fantasy if he could move like a Lamar or Vick. But if he could move like a Lamar or Vick he probably wouldn't be what he is today

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where would Mahomes land on that chart?

it goes brady, then mahomes, then it's a lil debatable after that. john elway certainly is an all timer, tho my favorite growing up was montana. but i think looking back, joe thrived in the scheme of walsh, and so did many other QBs if we want to be honest about it. if i could pick a historical QB to run the shanny stuff it wouldn't be joe it would be elway that's who you want folks. just put on the mike shanny elway clips to see what i am talking about they were a bit of a dynasty.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it goes brady, then mahomes, then it's a lil debatable after that. john elway certainly is an all timer, tho my favorite growing up was montana. but i think looking back, joe thrived in the scheme of walsh, and so did many other QBs if we want to be honest about it. if i could pick a historical QB to run the shanny stuff it wouldn't be joe it would be elway that's who you want folks. just put on the mike shanny elway clips to see what i am talking about they were a bit of a dynasty.

Um they were a dynasty because of TD far more then Elway.

Mike Shanahan thrived best with Steve Young once Steve reigned in his abilities and became the accuracy machine he became. Steve would be Kyles ideal QB.

I've said this many times but I'll repeat it. Comparing players from the 80s and 90s to players today is silly. Rules have changed dramatically and the pssing game has been affected the most. I think it's more valid to rank or compare QBs pre 2000 and post 2000. Nobody will convince me that Joe and Steve couldn't have completed around 70% of their passes every year with today's rules.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've said this many times but I'll repeat it. Comparing players from the 80s and 90s to players today is silly. Rules have changed dramatically and the pssing game has been affected the most. I think it's more valid to rank or compare QBs pre 2000 and post 2000. Nobody will convince me that Joe and Steve couldn't have completed around 70% of their passes every year with today's rules.

This is true and I will add because of advances in training, nutrition, and unfortunately roids, which started big time in the 80's.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've said this many times but I'll repeat it. Comparing players from the 80s and 90s to players today is silly. Rules have changed dramatically and the pssing game has been affected the most. I think it's more valid to rank or compare QBs pre 2000 and post 2000. Nobody will convince me that Joe and Steve couldn't have completed around 70% of their passes every year with today's rules.

A Joe Montana that had the QB protections of today would be terrifying. Guy broke down after taken an insane amount of hard hits, most of which nowadays would be flagged. With his accuracy and next level ability to read defenses, he's just picking people apart all day long.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've said this many times but I'll repeat it. Comparing players from the 80s and 90s to players today is silly. Rules have changed dramatically and the pssing game has been affected the most. I think it's more valid to rank or compare QBs pre 2000 and post 2000. Nobody will convince me that Joe and Steve couldn't have completed around 70% of their passes every year with today's rules.

A Joe Montana that had the QB protections of today would be terrifying. Guy broke down after taken an insane amount of hard hits, most of which nowadays would be flagged. With his accuracy and next level ability to read defenses, he's just picking people apart all day long.

100% Brady as much as said this as well awhile back. No way he could have lasted as long in Joe's day and if you put that niner roster in todays game.. oooooof

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
A Joe Montana that had the QB protections of today would be terrifying. Guy broke down after taken an insane amount of hard hits, most of which nowadays would be flagged. With his accuracy and next level ability to read defenses, he's just picking people apart all day long.

Steve too with the added ability to run. A more accurate Mahomes.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
A Joe Montana that had the QB protections of today would be terrifying. Guy broke down after taken an insane amount of hard hits, most of which nowadays would be flagged. With his accuracy and next level ability to read defenses, he's just picking people apart all day long.

Steve too with the added ability to run. A more accurate Mahomes.

I think back in the 80's early 90's Mahommes would still be very be good, but maybe Randal Cunningham good. Him getting clocked each week would have definitely made him hesitant to scramble etc.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think back in the 80's early 90's Mahommes would still be very be good, but maybe Randal Cunningham good. Him getting clocked each week would have definitely made him hesitant to scramble etc.

No doubt. But 1992 Steve in todays game might as well be a cheat code.

The best QBs could do well in any era. One other benefit QBs have now is the use of tacky gloves by receivers. One handed catches are routine now. When you cn extend one arm instead of two and catch the ball it adds several inches to your reach.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where would Mahomes land on that chart?

it goes brady, then mahomes, then it's a lil debatable after that. john elway certainly is an all timer, tho my favorite growing up was montana. but i think looking back, joe thrived in the scheme of walsh, and so did many other QBs if we want to be honest about it. if i could pick a historical QB to run the shanny stuff it wouldn't be joe it would be elway that's who you want folks. just put on the mike shanny elway clips to see what i am talking about they were a bit of a dynasty.

Most overrated QB in NFL history.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where would Mahomes land on that chart?

it goes brady, then mahomes, then it's a lil debatable after that. john elway certainly is an all timer, tho my favorite growing up was montana. but i think looking back, joe thrived in the scheme of walsh, and so did many other QBs if we want to be honest about it. if i could pick a historical QB to run the shanny stuff it wouldn't be joe it would be elway that's who you want folks. just put on the mike shanny elway clips to see what i am talking about they were a bit of a dynasty.

Not even close, It goes Montana and then everyone else. Joe played at a time when QB's weren't protected and still thrived.

Montana did play in a great system but I saw no drop off when he went to Kansas City, how do we explain this??