QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It's the pretzel logic for me.

The guy makes the argument that Kyle wouldn't have traded for Jimmy G, effectively lose on purpose, all in an effort to land a draft prospect (if he were to have liked one).

Then he simultaneously makes the argument that Kyle was willing to be convinced to take Lance instead Jones in a matter of weeks.

On one hand he wants you to believe Kyle is so stringent he wouldn't dare veer off a plan, and on the other he wants you to believe the opposite.

"Effectively lost on purpose."

Yeah, because not trading a 2nd round pick for a team's backup is "effectively losing on purpose."

The head coach and personnel boss of a rebuilding, 0-8 team thinks there's an amazing QB prospect in the upcoming draft, but he just can't stand the thought of a bad enough record for a pick to guarantee he can get that guy. He needs to trade a 2nd round pick - which totally wouldn't come in handy for rebuilding this winless team - and use it on a team's backup QB so he can start him during the season and see if this backup could be a QB of the future instead of this prospect he loves so much.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
"Effectively lost on purpose."

Yeah, because not trading a 2nd round pick for a team's backup is "effectively losing on purpose."

The head coach and personnel boss of a rebuilding, 0-8 team thinks there's an amazing QB prospect in the upcoming draft, but he just can't stand the thought of a bad enough record for a pick to guarantee he can get that guy. He needs to trade a 2nd round pick - which totally wouldn't come in handy for rebuilding this winless team - and use it on a team's backup QB so he can start him during the season and see if this backup could be a QB of the future instead of this prospect he loves so much.

Was he talked into Jimmy too?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

49'ers management will offer Brock 25-30 million annually which is more than enough for a systems, game managing QB.

Management is building up Brock because they know a QB needs to have confidence to win a Super Bowl and play with a chip on his shoulder.

But everyone knows Brock is a good, but not great, QB. He is going to have to have the pieces around him both on offense and defense to win a Super Bowl.

He was elite in 2023.
Calling him a game manager is dumb.

Every QB is a game manager. That's not a bad word. When s**t hits the fan and you need to go make plays when it matters…that separates the system guys and who's elite.

I have never heard Bady or Mahomes referred to as a game manager.
Also, ths poster called Brock merely good because he is a game manager.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Was he talked into Jimmy too?

Apparently that was impossible for our pretzel-logic mind reader here.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
"Effectively lost on purpose."

Yeah, because not trading a 2nd round pick for a team's backup is "effectively losing on purpose."

The head coach and personnel boss of a rebuilding, 0-8 team thinks there's an amazing QB prospect in the upcoming draft, but he just can't stand the thought of a bad enough record for a pick to guarantee he can get that guy. He needs to trade a 2nd round pick - which totally wouldn't come in handy for rebuilding this winless team - and use it on a team's backup QB so he can start him during the season and see if this backup could be a QB of the future instead of this prospect he loves so much.

It wouldn't be a try out for a backup QB though, as we saw in actual reality. It would be an additional avenue to explore in an attempt to fill the most important position on the roster. It's called good management.

What a dolt.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Thoughts?

"When all is going well, Purdy is a high-level executor and ball distributor. That's what Brock Purdy is. There's nothing wrong with that, but if people think he's more, he's not that. That's what he is."

- @gregcosell on @WillardAndDibs.

🎧 https://t.co/YMnKnNjeyD pic.twitter.com/NTNSP6elye

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) January 9, 2025

Sounds like meaningless dribble. What else is there than distributing the ball and executing at a high level?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Thoughts?

"When all is going well, Purdy is a high-level executor and ball distributor. That's what Brock Purdy is. There's nothing wrong with that, but if people think he's more, he's not that. That's what he is."

- @gregcosell on @WillardAndDibs.

🎧 https://t.co/YMnKnNjeyD pic.twitter.com/NTNSP6elye

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) January 9, 2025

Greg Cosell is one of the few guys I respect when it comes to judging QB's.......and he is fairly accurate when it comes to Purdy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Every QB is a game manager. That's not a bad word. When s**t hits the fan and you need to go make plays when it matters…that separates the system guys and who's elite.

To Brocks credit he did that in last years playoffs against Green Bay and Detroit.

Yep, and he was the best deep passer in the NFL who read the field and processed quickly and well.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It wouldn't be a try out for a backup QB though, as we saw in actual reality. It would be an additional avenue to explore in an attempt to fill the most important position on the roster. It's called good management.

What a dolt.

When you're a rebuilding team, trading a 2nd round pick for a team's backup QB, then starting him, when you think there's an amazing prospect you will almost certainly be able to get in the upcoming draft if things continue as they are, is HORRIBLE management. Unless you somehow think that backup QB is EVEN MORE AMAZING than the prospect you like. This is that logic stuff that you are so bad at.

If football knowledge were gasoline, you couldn't propel a lice's Toyota Prius around a hair follicle.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
When you're a rebuilding team, trading a 2nd round pick for a team's backup QB, then starting him, when you think there's an amazing prospect you will almost certainly be able to get in the upcoming draft if things continue as they are, is HORRIBLE management. Unless you somehow think that backup QB is EVEN MORE AMAZING than the prospect you like. This is that logic stuff that you are so bad at.

If football knowledge were gasoline, you couldn't propel a lice's Toyota Prius around a hair follicle.

It wasn't a trade for a backup QB though, lol. It was an opportunity to find a starter… which is what happened in reality.

Can you comprehend the simple fact that this trade became an available option and couldn't be planned on? That they were planning to sign a player like Cousins, or draft a prospect, but Jimmy became available and they took that chance.

It's comically stupid that you think they wouldn't use a 2nd round pick on a chance to find a starting QB, but you also believe they'd spend 3 1sts and a 3rd on another guy 3 years later AND Kyle would be convinced to move off his initial target.

Like I said, on one side of the argument you need Kyle to be stuck on his plan, and in another not at all.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It wasn't a trade for a backup QB though, lol. It was an opportunity to find a starter… which is what happened in reality.

Can you comprehend the simple fact that this trade became an available option and couldn't be planned on? That they were planning to sign a player like Cousins, or draft a prospect, but Jimmy became available and they took that chance.

It's comically stupid that you think they wouldn't use a 2nd round pick on a chance to find a starting QB, but you also believe they'd spend 3 1sts and a 3rd on another guy 3 years later AND Kyle would be convinced to move off his initial target.

Like I said, on one side of the argument you need Kyle to be stuck on his plan, and in another not at all.

It's really comes from the idea that if they didn't trade for Jimmy they would've been stuck as Kyle wouldn't have allowed them to do anything other than pay Cousins a ton of money or Play CJ.

Yet 3 years later he can be convinced to completely change his plan.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's really comes from the idea that if they didn't trade for Jimmy they would've been stuck as Kyle wouldn't have allowed them to do anything other than pay Cousins a ton of money or Play CJ.

Yet 3 years later he can be convinced to completely change his plan.

That's right. Novice wants people to believe that there's no chance Kyle would make a move for another guy if he liked a prospect, but also that he could be convinced to move off a prospect, at a much more significant cost, a short time later. Just dumb as hell.

All of this to argue Kyle wouldn't want someone exactly like the guy he thought he was drafting in 21.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It wasn't a trade for a backup QB though, lol. It was an opportunity to find a starter… which is what happened in reality.

Can you comprehend the simple fact that this trade became an available option and couldn't be planned on? That they were planning to sign a player like Cousins, or draft a prospect, but Jimmy became available and they took that chance.

It's comically stupid that you think they wouldn't use a 2nd round pick on a chance to find a starting QB, but you also believe they'd spend 3 1sts and a 3rd on another guy 3 years later AND Kyle would be convinced to move off his initial target.

Like I said, on one side of the argument you need Kyle to be stuck on his plan, and in another not at all.

In the process of "finding that starter," you are blowing your chance to take a guy you think is a great prospect to be a starter. He must have thought the guy he was trading for was a better prospect than the prospect he supposedly liked so much in order for that to make sense.

The draft trade was a response to Kyle's disgust with Jimmy, not because he was particularly crazy about Mac Jones. He just hated Jimmy that much, saw that they were positioned to get "A" quarterback in that class if they were willing to give up enough picks, and made the move, with Jones as his initial target because he matched what he was looking for more than the others. Had he actually LOVED Jones as a prospect, Lynch would not have been able to convince him. But Lynch was able to appeal to the "you could make him your puppet QB, you genius, because he's so raw" argument.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
That's right. Novice wants people to believe that there's no chance Kyle would make a move for another guy if he liked a prospect, but also that he could be convinced to move off a prospect, at a much more significant cost, a short time later. Just dumb as hell.

All of this to argue Kyle wouldn't want someone exactly like the guy he thought he was drafting in 21.

And as you see with the post below yours all of it this really stems from a desire to prop up Jimmy G and take shots at Kyle. So it's narrative twisting to accomplish that goal.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
In the process of "finding that starter," you are blowing your chance to take a guy you think is a great prospect to be a starter. He must have thought the guy he was trading for was a better prospect than the prospect he supposedly liked so much in order for that to make sense.

The draft trade was a response to Kyle's disgust with Jimmy, not because he was particularly crazy about Mac Jones. He just hated Jimmy that much, saw that they were positioned to get "A" quarterback in that class if they were willing to give up enough picks, and made the move, with Jones as his initial target because he matched what he was looking for more than the others. Had he actually LOVED Jones as a prospect, Lynch would not have been able to convince him. But Lynch was able to appeal to the "you could make him your puppet QB, you genius, because he's so raw" argument.

Not at all. How do you pretend to be an expert, lol. There was no guarantee Jimmy plays well, they win games, or that they couldn't trade up a handful of slots to get the guy they wanted if they did. They did exactly this, at a crazy f**king cost, not much later.

It was simply an audition, and given the positional importance, not an expensive one.