QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
My definition is based on facts. What is yours based on?

Your definition is based on stats at face value. I base it on the individual player who is more or less responsible for whatever play occurs - considering factors such as offensive/defensive/coaching talent around him.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Based on this logic, Tom Brady's 2007 MVP season wasnt an elite season. He had two All Pro WRs, an all pro Tackle, two all pro defensive players, one of the best coaches in football, etc. He led the league in passing yards and passing TDs, but he had elite players around him so it doesnt count.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Most people's definition of elite aligns with Woo's

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Most peoples definition of elite, in this case, are laughable....and that tells me all I need to know. For instance...the same people who ride with 'stats at face value' are the same ones who tell us all that John Elway wasn't elite?

Do you know ANYONE who thinks that? I know a few....and they seemingly don't know much about football. But hey......that Greg Cosell guy....the guy I commented on originally? He's the one that said Josh Allen is as close to Elway in todays game as he's ever seen (and i agree.)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Based on this logic, Tom Brady's 2007 MVP season wasnt an elite season. He had two All Pro WRs, an all pro Tackle, two all pro defensive players, one of the best coaches in football, etc. He led the league in passing yards and passing TDs, but he had elite players around him so it doesnt count.

Lol, what a bizarre conclusion to draw from his statement. Saying stats aren't the only thing that determines a player's ability doesn't mean you automatically dismiss a player with great stats.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Most people's definition of elite aligns with Woo's

Most peoples definition of elite, in this case, are laughable....and that tells me all I need to know. For instance...the same people who ride with 'stats at face value' are the same ones who tell us all that John Elway wasn't elite?

Do you know ANYONE who thinks that? I know a few....and they seemingly don't know much about football. But hey......that Greg Cosell guy....the guy I commented on originally? He's the one that said Josh Allen is as close to Elway in todays game as he's ever seen (and i agree.)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Wallace thinks that, lol.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
John Elway wasnt elite.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
That is literally exactly what the poster was doing.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
That is literally exactly what the poster was doing.

No it isn't. He said in his post:

'I base it on the individual player who is more or less responsible for whatever play occurs - considering factors such as offensive/defensive/coaching talent around him.'

All he indicated is he's not going to judge by stats at face value, which he believes Woo is doing.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Why do you think I included Elway? He exposes his lack of football knowledge when he trots that name out. They are stats at face value guys and that's it....until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
John Elway wasnt elite.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

You see? He can't help it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
He dismissed the stats because of other factors, which you listed.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
He dismissed the stats because of other factors, which you listed.

Let's assume this is true, which in my opinion it isn't.

What part of that statement would lead you to conclude that he would dismiss Tom Brady's 2007 season when you haven't heard his application of any of the other factors he would consider in relation to that season?

It's nonsense. He's just saying stats don't paint a complete picture. Not they should be discounted completely, and definitely not that players with good stats can't be elite.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The point I was making is that to argue a player wasnt elite because he had elite players around him is ridiculous. You and I both know thats exactly what he was doing.