QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I personally believe Brock is only worth $25-30 million/year since he needs both an elite offense and defense to have a competitive team.

As a fan, if the 49'ers want to give him a top
contract and put out on the field an average team, that is fine with me. But I'm sure I will be one of many fans who will just stop watching the 49'ers on Sundays which happened after the Rams game for me this year.

So it's not that I'm trying to screw Brock over for his past success and not pay him, it's more about I think a lot of fans like me just won't be interested in watching games like the Rams game in which we score 6 points at home in a snooze fest.

So I guess the 2 options are:
1. Pay Brock top money and lose fan viewership over the next years. Or
2. Pay Brock average money with an elite team around him to keep 49'er fans interested and still watching.

3. Pray more, worry less.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Didn't improve from what exactly.. are you saying he's been the same QB the last 3 seasons?

From season 1 to 2, he improved. From season 2 to 3, he got worse or didn't improve. His decision making is what's concerning. Whether it's aiyuk double covered deep & cmc wide open underneath or Jennings covered deep & random backup RB open underneath, and him taking the dumb deep shot into double coverage is concerning.

Some of it is about availability of players. But Brock is a big reason we were 6-11. Not the biggest, but to just absolve him because of injuries is an odd take. He needs to get a lot better and a lot smarter. Doesn't matter what skill position/OL we trot out there. Until Brock gets smarter we are going to have issues

After reading your post I've come to the conclusion that you, too, should concentrate on "getting smarter"

Did anyone from media ask Brock, Kyle or John about the regressing arm strenght that was notaceable in the second half of the season?
I kind of fear his arm strenght might have taken a longterm hit after his injuries

Originally posted by Kolohe:
People wanna say that he can't carry the team without a supporting cast, but in reality what QB can do it without one? Purdy had the worst Center in the league, no #1 WR in Brandon Aiyuk, no RB, he did not even have his #2 RB, not to mention the best side of his O-line has been injured for majority of the season. I've never seen a QB lose that much and have good or great season.

Pretty obvious stuff and should not have to be repeated lol

How many games did Moody tank for us? Can we cut that dude already or?

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
People wanna say that he can't carry the team without a supporting cast, but in reality what QB can do it without one? Purdy had the worst Center in the league, no #1 WR in Brandon Aiyuk, no RB, he did not even have his #2 RB, not to mention the best side of his O-line has been injured for majority of the season. I've never seen a QB lose that much and have good or great season.

Pretty obvious stuff and should not have to be repeated lol

How many games did Moody tank for us? Can we cut that dude already or?

Looked good prior to the injury, then really looked like a different kicker. Very, concerning if I'm Shanny and Lynch.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so he didn't do that the two seasons before?

What do 2 seasons before have to do with what he put on tape this year? Players can regress and get worse. A player isn't guaranteed to get better just because he plays more games.

We had a lot of injuries and coaching issues that weren't brocks fault. He needed Brock to come through for us, to elevate the team. He did not.

Now there are a bunch of good QBs who would have wilted like Brock did. It doesn't mean he sucks.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so he didn't do that the two seasons before?

What do 2 seasons before have to do with what he put on tape this year? Players can regress and get worse. A player isn't guaranteed to get better just because he plays more games.

We had a lot of injuries and coaching issues that weren't brocks fault. He needed Brock to come through for us, to elevate the team. He did not.

Now there are a bunch of good QBs who would have wilted like Brock did. It doesn't mean he sucks.

What reason do you think he regressed?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
What reason do you think he regressed?

I could be wrong, but IMO, I think Shanahan wanted to see Purdy take another step, so for instance I believe he had him in more pure drop back throws instead of play action It sure seemed like there was a lot less play action and I'm sure there are stats out there to verify that. It certainly didn't help that the year he was asked to take another leap, the team around him suffered with injuries, bad mojo, etc.

Originally posted by eastie:
After reading your post I've come to the conclusion that you, too, should concentrate on "getting smarter"

I also have come to this conclusion

Originally posted by Kolohe:
What reason do you think he regressed?

A number of factors:

1. Poor footwork. He doesn't have the arm to have the luxury of mechanics that aren't perfect.

2. Not trusting his OL because he gets hit and creates pressure. Btw every QB gets hit. Many QBs have a worse ol but for some reason we make it like it's only Brock.

3. Playcalling that doesn't benefit him.

4. WRs who weren't wide open all the time.

5. Seemed to be pressing (contract pressure?)

Anyhow I think Brock is a good QB but took a giant step back. He was a top 5-10 QB last year, closer to top 5. This year where would most unbiased people put him? Probably in that 15-20 range.

With all that said I do hope he gets paid. He has earned it overall and we've been paying him pennies. I just don't think he's anything special. Good QB but not a player other teams look at and say man this guy is a problem (ie Lamar, Allen, mahomes and so on)

Brock can have very very bad stretches that a team just cannot overcome from. Bad throws, tipped passes, interceptions etc etc. Not good.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Brock carried the offense to a 4th best Total Offense ranking despite all of that.

BuT hE duDnt EleVatE tHa TeAm

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so he didn't do that the two seasons before?

What do 2 seasons before have to do with what he put on tape this year? Players can regress and get worse. A player isn't guaranteed to get better just because he plays more games.

We had a lot of injuries and coaching issues that weren't brocks fault. He needed Brock to come through for us, to elevate the team. He did not.

Now there are a bunch of good QBs who would have wilted like Brock did. It doesn't mean he sucks.

What reason do you think he regressed?

You said he didn't improve and listed examples. So I asked did he not do any of things you listed. I don't see that he didn't improve, just he didn't maintain a high level that he set. Which was MVP level play.

he did make some mistakes and bad decisions, we also went away from disguised looks and played more straight up.

he also still hasn't played a full 3 seasons worth games.

Expectations I feel are higher than expected. but now with the contract, people are going to expect MVP or bust.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yes I was. I can bump posts if you'd like to see.

No you weren't. I already googled site:49erswebzone.com SmokeyJoe and saw what you wrote.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You're so close to landing on the point. I'm impressed.

The point is my very first sentence.

Irrelevant.

Why don't you do this with Marshall Faulk or Roger Craig some seasons? They had yards per target numbers that would've led the NFL in yards per attempt, and nearly all of their receptions were at or near the line of scrimmage. Hence, Kurt Warner/Joe Montana were overrated.

Faulk and Craig also caught more balls there than Brock threw there in 2023.

Fans like you start with the conclusion you want and then work backwards to try to get to the premises.

"Well, if you take away this throw, and that throw, and this throw, and that throw, then he only did this, and then that's not all that great. Hence, he's not all that great."

You can do that with every player in the game.