QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
I see this was never answered. Yes Purdy led the league in AYA in 2023 with 5.5. Tua was 2nd at 5.1. This season Purdy was 2nd in AYA with 5.1. Darnold was 1st with 5.2.

The argument that Purdy is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is absurd.

Nobody's making that argument here. In fact I just said his numbers were great because he was ultra efficient in the intermediate range (and his teammates and scheme helped).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I see this was never answered. Yes Purdy led the league in AYA in 2023 with 5.5. Tua was 2nd at 5.1. This season Purdy was 2nd in AYA with 5.1. Darnold was 1st with 5.2.

The argument that Purdy is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is absurd.

Nobody's making that argument here. In fact I just said his numbers were great because he was ultra efficient in the intermediate range (and his teammates and scheme helped).

That's exactly what you were arguing, and why Woo brought up AYA.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They are used to diminish the importance of the numbers! Which they 100 percent do, whether Brock is great or not.

When you can lead the league in YPA if you never had a completion past the line of scrimmage, it lets you know that the teammates are skewing those numbers. This is a good thing if you're a 49ers fan, lol.

Didn't he lead the league in AYA which he can't do throwing passes behind the LOS all the time.

Regarding your argument about teammates influencing YPA, that is true of course. A good measurement of that would be YAC/C, which the Niners were 1st in last year. They were 16th in that category this season, yet somehow Purdy was still 2nd in AYA. Meaning Purdy is doing his job, pushing the ball downfield and trying to make plays. He just didn't have the pass catchers to get it done.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I personally believe Brock is only worth $25-30 million/year since he needs both an elite offense and defense to have a competitive team.

As a fan, if the 49'ers want to give him a top
contract and put out on the field an average team, that is fine with me. But I'm sure I will be one of many fans who will just stop watching the 49'ers on Sundays which happened after the Rams game for me this year.

So it's not that I'm trying to screw Brock over for his past success and not pay him, it's more about I think a lot of fans like me just won't be interested in watching games like the Rams game in which we score 6 points at home in a snooze fest.

So I guess the 2 options are:
1. Pay Brock top money and lose fan viewership over the next years. Or
2. Pay Brock average money with an elite team around him to keep 49'er fans interested and still watching.

I promise you, fans like you will not be missed.

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's exactly what you were arguing, and why Woo brought up AYA.

Regarding your argument about teammates influencing YPA, that is true of course. A good measurement of that would be YAC/C, which the Niners were 1st in last year. They were 16th in that category this season, yet somehow Purdy was still 2nd in AYA. Meaning Purdy is doing his job, pushing the ball downfield and trying to make plays. He just didn't have the pass catchers to get it done.

I legitimately never made this argument. Not a single time, at any point… and have had explicitly said otherwise.

You should stop jumping in conversations without reading them. Woo cited AirY/A but also said Purdy lead in a bunch of other categories for distance passing, but those numbers included YAC.

If you dominate in passes 10-20 yards down the field, you will have a great shot at leading in YPA and also AirY/A. The same will be true if you extend that out to 25 yards, which would fall into PFF's deep passing definition.

When you turn on the film you could see Brock routinely turning down the deeper down the field shots, some of them later developing. Many of those times he'd still hit a deep crosser instead. That's going to look great on the stat sheet even though it can be a missed opportunity at the same time.

Another off season to improve and elevate his game. I hope the team gets right this off season and we make a serious run at being a contender again. Such a depressing season lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They are used to diminish the importance of the numbers! Which they 100 percent do, whether Brock is great or not.

When you can lead the league in YPA if you never had a completion past the line of scrimmage, it lets you know that the teammates are skewing those numbers. This is a good thing if you're a 49ers fan, lol.

Didn't he lead the league in AYA which he can't do throwinf passes behind the LOS all the time.

I see this was never answered. Yes Purdy led the league in AYA in 2023 with 5.5. Tua was 2nd at 5.1. This season Purdy was 2nd in AYA with 5.1. Darnold was 1st with 5.2.

The argument that Purdy is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is absurd.

I answered it. AYA stands for adjusted yards per attempt. The stat you guys are looking for is IAYA, which is intended air yards per attempt (basically depth of target from LOS).

Brock was not #1 in IAYA, but he was still up there (6th or 7th IIRC).

Regardless, the idea that he is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is idiotic, and not based in reality.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I answered it. AYA stands for adjusted yards per attempt. The stat you guys are looking for is IAYA, which is intended air yards per attempt (basically depth of target from LOS).

Brock was not #1 in IAYA, but he was still up there (6th or 7th IIRC).

Regardless, the idea that he is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is idiotic, and not based in reality.

And again, nobody here* is making this argument. You guys are something else, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I answered it. AYA stands for adjusted yards per attempt. The stat you guys are looking for is IAYA, which is intended air yards per attempt (basically depth of target from LOS).

Brock was not #1 in IAYA, but he was still up there (6th or 7th IIRC).

Regardless, the idea that he is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is idiotic, and not based in reality.

And again, nobody here* is making this argument. You guys are something else, lol.

I wasn't claiming anyone did. I was just replying to the post.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I wasn't claiming anyone did. I was just replying to the post.

Lol, alright. It's Furlow's strawman, and you were just entertaining it.

Worthwhile to point out it is actually a strawman. Glad we can establish the argument nobody here is making is wrong.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's exactly what you were arguing, and why Woo brought up AYA.

Regarding your argument about teammates influencing YPA, that is true of course. A good measurement of that would be YAC/C, which the Niners were 1st in last year. They were 16th in that category this season, yet somehow Purdy was still 2nd in AYA. Meaning Purdy is doing his job, pushing the ball downfield and trying to make plays. He just didn't have the pass catchers to get it done.

I legitimately never made this argument. Not a single time, at any point… and have had explicitly said otherwise.

You should stop jumping in conversations without reading them. Woo cited AirY/A but also said Purdy lead in a bunch of other categories for distance passing, but those numbers included YAC.

If you dominate in passes 10-20 yards down the field, you will have a great shot at leading in YPA and also AirY/A. The same will be true if you extend that out to 25 yards, which would fall into PFF's deep passing definition.

When you turn on the film you could see Brock routinely turning down the deeper down the field shots, some of them later developing. Many of those times he'd still hit a deep crosser instead. That's going to look great on the stat sheet even though it can be a missed opportunity at the same time.

I read your entire exchange. And you were absolutely making the argument that Brock's YPA is not impressive because he could "simply throw at/behind the LOS." Why even mention that as it relates to Brock, if you know that he's top 1-2 in AYA? Why didn't you answer Woo when he asked where Purdy ranked in AYA?

Now you seem to be backtracking and saying that Purdy IS good at deep and intermediate passing; he just doesn't do it enough (turns down opportunities). That's a completely separate argument that has nothing to do with your exchange with Woo. And you're not the only one. There are several Purdy haters in here who have used the checkdown/YAC/teammate argument against Purdy. Some of you even comparing and equating Purdy to Jimmy G lol.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They are used to diminish the importance of the numbers! Which they 100 percent do, whether Brock is great or not.

When you can lead the league in YPA if you never had a completion past the line of scrimmage, it lets you know that the teammates are skewing those numbers. This is a good thing if you're a 49ers fan, lol.

Didn't he lead the league in AYA which he can't do throwinf passes behind the LOS all the time.

I see this was never answered. Yes Purdy led the league in AYA in 2023 with 5.5. Tua was 2nd at 5.1. This season Purdy was 2nd in AYA with 5.1. Darnold was 1st with 5.2.

The argument that Purdy is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is absurd.

I answered it. AYA stands for adjusted yards per attempt. The stat you guys are looking for is IAYA, which is intended air yards per attempt (basically depth of target from LOS).

Brock was not #1 in IAYA, but he was still up there (6th or 7th IIRC).

Regardless, the idea that he is throwing behind the LOS and living off of YAC is idiotic, and not based in reality.

We're looking at different sites then. I'm on fantasypros and it clearly states air yards per attempt. Now it does say "AIR/A" and not AYA. But I knew what Woo was talking about so I just used that acronym.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

But yes, Purdy is not throwing at or behind the LOS and relying on YAC. Yes the YAC numbers were great last year, but they were very average this year. And he's still doing his job and pushing the ball down the field, which is what you want your QB to do.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I read your entire exchange. And you were absolutely making the argument that Brock's YPA is not impressive because he could "simply throw at/behind the LOS." Why even mention that as it relates to Brock, if you know that he's top 1-2 in AYA? Why didn't you answer Woo when he asked where Purdy ranked in AYA?

Now you seem to be backtracking and saying that Purdy IS good at deep and intermediate passing; he just doesn't do it enough (turns down opportunities). That's a completely separate argument that has nothing to do with your exchange with Woo. And you're not the only one. There are several Purdy haters in here who have used the checkdown/YAC/teammate argument against Purdy. Some of you even comparing and equating Purdy to Jimmy G lol.

I didn't see Woo's post, and you clearly didn't read this conversation, or at least didn't read it well. He also did not respond to one of mine. And again, I did not at any point make the argument that Brock's YPA numbers weren't impressive. I described his year as one of the more efficient season's we've seen at the QB position.

Show me the post where I said, implied, or indicated that Brock's YPA wasn't impressive. What I argued was it's a really a team stat as much as it is a QB stat. It reflects that we had a highly efficient passing offense, in part because of Brock's play, but not in total. It is also the product of being in a QB friendly system, with the best set of skill players in football, buffered by a great run game.

I am not backtracking on anything either. Brock and our offense was fantastic in the intermediate range. Brock is not a great deep passer IMO. Again, see what I actually wrote (including in my response that you're quoting here).

Originally posted by Furlow:
We're looking at different sites then. I'm on fantasypros and it clearly states air yards per attempt. Now it does say "AIR/A" and not AYA. But I knew what Woo was talking about so I just used that acronym.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

But yes, Purdy is not throwing at or behind the LOS and relying on YAC. Yes the YAC numbers were great last year, but they were very average this year. And he's still doing his job and pushing the ball down the field, which is what you want your QB to do.

I knew what you meant for what it's worth.

That link was the same one Woo used I referenced in an earlier reply to you. Woo was talking about how he led in AirY/A and then also cited all those passing interval numbers (10+, 20+ etc).

I wanted to make sure it was known those passing interval numbers include YAC. Not too hard.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I read your entire exchange. And you were absolutely making the argument that Brock's YPA is not impressive because he could "simply throw at/behind the LOS." Why even mention that as it relates to Brock, if you know that he's top 1-2 in AYA? Why didn't you answer Woo when he asked where Purdy ranked in AYA?

Now you seem to be backtracking and saying that Purdy IS good at deep and intermediate passing; he just doesn't do it enough (turns down opportunities). That's a completely separate argument that has nothing to do with your exchange with Woo. And you're not the only one. There are several Purdy haters in here who have used the checkdown/YAC/teammate argument against Purdy. Some of you even comparing and equating Purdy to Jimmy G lol.

I didn't see Woo's post, and you clearly didn't read this conversation, or at least didn't read it well. He also did not respond to one of mine. And again, I did not at any point make the argument that Brock's YPA numbers weren't impressive. I described his year as one of the more efficient season's we've seen at the QB position.

Show me the post where I said, implied, or indicated that Brock's YPA wasn't impressive. What I argued was it's a really a team stat as much as it is a QB stat. It reflects that we had a highly efficient passing offense, in part because of Brock's play, but not in total. It is also the product of being in a QB friendly system, with the best set of skill players in football, buffered by a great run game.

I am not backtracking on anything either. Brock and our offense was fantastic in the intermediate range. Brock is not a great deep passer IMO. Again, see what I actually wrote (including in my response that you're quoting here).

I've done this a few times now, but you keep commenting while not quoting your posts that do exactly what you're asking me to prove here. You're exhausting, dude. That's fine, you don't like Brock. You prefer measurables if you're going to pay top money to a QB. That's fine, make that argument. Just don't insert BS about YPA not mattering because you can throw short passes and have a high YPA. While that is true, it does not apply to Brock; so why bring it up?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
We're looking at different sites then. I'm on fantasypros and it clearly states air yards per attempt. Now it does say "AIR/A" and not AYA. But I knew what Woo was talking about so I just used that acronym.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

But yes, Purdy is not throwing at or behind the LOS and relying on YAC. Yes the YAC numbers were great last year, but they were very average this year. And he's still doing his job and pushing the ball down the field, which is what you want your QB to do.

I knew what you meant for what it's worth.

That link was the same one Woo used I referenced in an earlier reply to you. Woo was talking about how he led in AirY/A and then also cited all those passing interval numbers (10+, 20+ etc).

I wanted to make sure it was known those passing interval numbers include YAC. Not too hard.

Also incorrect. PFF clearly states that deep ball passing is "balls that travel 20 yards or more." So no, you can't throw short for a 25 yard gain because of YAC and get credit for a "deep pass."