QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The vast majority are the same folks though. I'm not on the same page as I was with Jimmy either. I've said over and over Brock is better. I don't think he's some elite level QB though. He's a good young QB and I got no problem with him being the guy. I do think he will need more around him to be successful and that gets harder when he's making elite cash

i question the premise he's better than jimmy. i mean the team was better in 2023. jimmy never had trent or cmc, and those are HOFers. jimmy was getting to his SB with mostert, trade acquisition e sanders, and joe staley.

i'll say this, we never had a year with jimmy healthy and we go 6-11

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
So you're ignoring what he did in the playoffs and focusing on a season where pretty much everyone died? And he still had the offense in position to win several more games and then Mason fumbles, Moody misses kicks...etc.

While I agree there's context and it for sure wasn't all him. He had one of the worst QR ratings in the league this yr in the 4th QR when tied or trailing. The team around him did no favors, he didn't play his best either.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i question the premise he's better than jimmy. i mean the team was better in 2023. jimmy never had trent or cmc, and those are HOFers. jimmy was getting to his SB with mostert, trade acquisition e sanders, and joe staley.

i'll say this, we never had a year with jimmy healthy and we go 6-11

And there it is.

Jimmy was getting to a SB on the back of the defense and run game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i question the premise he's better than jimmy. i mean the team was better in 2023. jimmy never had trent or cmc, and those are HOFers. jimmy was getting to his SB with mostert, trade acquisition e sanders, and joe staley.

i'll say this, we never had a year with jimmy healthy and we go 6-11

I'm looking at them as individuals, not the team's record. There isn't anything Jimmy does that Brock isn't better at imo.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And there it is.

Jimmy was getting to a SB on the back of the defense and run game.

this is 2019

29.9 ppg (rank 2nd)
19.4 against (rank 8th)

2023

28.9 ppg (rank 3rd)
17.5 ppg (rank 3rd)

reality in 2017 / 2019 jimmy was doing pretty darn good. good enough apparently that we didn't feel we needed tom brady. i think what wrote jimmy a ticket out of town is he kept stacking injuries. can't have QB1 injured season after season. it's not a tenable situation for the guy holding the play sheet. he needs QB1 on the field.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i question the premise he's better than jimmy. i mean the team was better in 2023. jimmy never had trent or cmc, and those are HOFers. jimmy was getting to his SB with mostert, trade acquisition e sanders, and joe staley.

i'll say this, we never had a year with jimmy healthy and we go 6-11

I'm looking at them as individuals, not the team's record. There isn't anything Jimmy does that Brock isn't better at imo.

that's just not true. jimmy has a bigger frame and more arm talent. jimmy ran the 2 min drill in college as a base offense, and he ran it better here also. he was good in those situations. i haven't even seen brock do that a lot. now brock plays the game quicker and doesn't eat a lot of dumb sacks. i can't say brock's arm is better, you taught me that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Why do people keep saying purdy is clutch?? Lol, he failed every time we needed him to help us in a final drive this year aside from tb game. I'll give him credit for games in last years playoffs but he's extremely unclutch late in games overall. If he was clutch we would've made the playoffs (had several opportunities to get us W's on final drive)

So you're ignoring what he did in the playoffs and focusing on a season where pretty much everyone died? And he still had the offense in position to win several more games and then Mason fumbles, Moody misses kicks...etc.

I don't think he's ignoring that, he literally says it in his post that he gives him credit for him last playoffs. Purdy hasn't been close to clutch this year at all, like the post above stated he's had ample opportunities to tie or get us W's on late/final drives this year and I agree.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'll give you 2021 and MAYBE 2010 but that's pushing it. But we're talking about a 23 year career with two great coaches, one of which is a HOF'er. Let's not act like Brady was carrying bad teams.

My point (which you continue to ignore and are now not quoting per usual) is that neither Brady nor Montana were ever viewed as elite talents. They were minimized as system QB's for much of their careers (some people still say this nonsense). There are simply a lot of uneducated fans who fall in love with physical attributes, when historically we have seen that is not the most important aspect of being a championship winning QB in the NFL.

They were viewed as elite QBs. Not elite talents. There is a separation between having elite talent and being an elite player. There was no argument that Brady wasn't an elite player, same with Montana. Beyond maybe Brady's first five years give or take, everyone knew he was a God. If you want to give attention to what amounts to an incredibly small minority of trolls arguing otherwise, be my guest.

I'm not ignoring any point of yours, because you don't have one. You are saying incorrect things both about the seasons these guys had, and how they were perceived.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Purdy is not clutch or the system isn't built for straight up drop back passing? To me it's the latter, and it's something Kyle needs to adjust to via the draft and free agency. Quit worrying so much about run blocking ability from WR's and having guys who can play multiple positions (like fat Deebo). Let's get some route runners/pass catchers in here so that we are versatile enough for drop back passing (even when the defense is expecting it).

I think there is a lack of passing game concepts for sure.

I also think the best QBs show up later in game and make plays.

I would say outside of Deebo Kyle has always focused on route runners and separation.

they should always try to get better pass protectors. Those guys usually go very high in drafts and overall true pass sets are much of a thing in college football.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes. So Brock is at least as good as Herbert if not better imo. I would say the elite/generational are Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow. After I would say Brock is in the conversation with anyone else.

I know we are splitting hairs here, but I feel like the word generational is so overused. You cant be generational (aka once in a generation), if you just named 4 players from the same generation.

All four you named are elite, top of the league QBs currently. The only one of the 4 I would argue is generational is Mahomes.

Sorry you're right. NY mentioned generational so I lumped it together to make my point.

generational = Mahomes.

elite = Allen, Lamar, burrows.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes. So Brock is at least as good as Herbert if not better imo. I would say the elite/generational are Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow. After I would say Brock is in the conversation with anyone else.

Because why? Roster and coaching matter and I would take Herbert here over Brock if I was paying them both the same thing. Most objective posters would.

that also doesn't equal that I think Brock stinks. He's better than a bunch of starters in the league.

Then why compare them? For salary purposes? Herbert is a charger. He'll never be a niner anytime soon. So I could pretty much care less.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's just not true. jimmy has a bigger frame and more arm talent. jimmy ran the 2 min drill in college as a base offense, and he ran it better here also. he was good in those situations. i haven't even seen brock do that a lot. now brock plays the game quicker and doesn't eat a lot of dumb sacks. i can't say brock's arm is better, you taught me that.

Jimmy ran a spread offense at eastern Illinois. Jimmy size wasn't a plus attribute either. Same hand size, one inch taller and like 10lbs more.

his arm was stronger but again it was never a plus attribute. Neither have amazing mechanics, jimmy's footwork is not good and the accuracy downfield shows it.

I mean Jimmy had the worst QB rating in the 4QR in SB history. Acting like his best football happened late in game is simply not true.

end of the day processing and anticipation favors Brock and toss in the ability to extend and play out of structure…that makes Brock the better QB for me.

$59m each year for 4 years.

Kinda sums Purdy up.

He isn't in the top 8 QBs in the league.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Brock Purdy is projected to sign a 4-year, $238.9M contract with the 49ers this offseason, per @spotrac

Purdy's total value would rank 9th and his $59.7M AAV would rank 2nd, just behind Cowboys' QB Dak Prescott#49ers | #FTTB pic.twitter.com/l6SevUiZwb

— Sterling Bennett (@49ers_Access) January 14, 2025

see i don't like this one. no way he gets that on the market. tell him to find that deal and his agent can work with other teams. i prefer 5 years 200-220. this is no bueno.